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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:35 am

    Wonder if small arms would be of interest?

    Equally rockets like RPG-22, RPG-28, and of course the engineer rockets like RPO-M etc.

    Even systems like Shturm based on an MTLB vehicle with a range of ATGMs that are relatively cheap yet accurate and powerful to blunt the enemy advance.

    Equally sniper rifles and ammo and lots of other light equipment could be "field tested" too.

    I suspect the most critical and effective thing would be well trained forward air controllers to find targets and call in accurate air support via fixed and rotary wing aircraft or artillery.
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    Post  iraqidabab Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:48 pm

    I wonder if there has been a deal for services like setting up a training program in Iraq, Iraq needs better trained forces, their current training ranges from 2 days to 2 weeks only.


    The visit, no hints given or maybe the weaponry on the vid ?
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    Post  iraqidabab Sat Jul 26, 2014 2:27 am

    Shortage of humvees, I think they will buy Gaz Tigr/VPK Volk or ask for an assembly line in Iraq.

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    Post  Viktor Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:59 pm

    Another confirmation of what @iraqidabab said  thumbsup 

    Iraq has asked for Russian weapons to fight terrorists
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    Post  iraqidabab Tue Jul 29, 2014 3:38 am

    TOS-1A Buritano arrived in Iraq


    https://medium.com/war-is-boring/russias-bunker-smashing-rockets-have-arrived-in-iraq-5672b754870
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    Post  Werewolf Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:06 am

    Overkill? attack 
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    Post  mack8 Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:33 am

    TOS-1?! I was thinking of exactly the same when i heard about the possible new russian contracts, TOS-1 and BMPTs would be EXTREMELY useful against the jihadist rats. Obviously, the TOS-1s have been ordered some time ago to arrive now. Is it 100% confirmed Sheytan?
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    Post  sheytanelkebir Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:03 am

    Yea looks like it.

    And they were in such a hurry they airlifted them in instead of the normal ship borne routes...
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:59 am

    Images from 28/07/14 showing Russia delivering TOS-1A systems to Iraq:

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    Post  mack8 Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:43 pm

    What is allegedly included in the recent over 1 billion contract:

    4 TOS-1A
    2 or 3 divizions (how many vehicle would that be?) of Grad MRLS
    2 or 3 divizions of Msta-B howitzers
    significant numbers of 2B11 and 2B14 mortars
    ammunition for the above.

    Some will be new, some will be from Russian Army stocks. In addition, there are negotiations for 10 Su-27/30 (some sources also mention MiG-29M/M2).

    http://www.newsru.com/world/30jul2014/iraq.html
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    Post  sheytanelkebir Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:43 pm

    Battalions not divisions.

    Each battalion is 16-24 launchers.
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    Post  medo Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:10 pm

    sheytanelkebir wrote:Battalions not divisions.

    Each battalion is 16-24 launchers.

    This is artillery and in artillery company is battery and battalion is division. It have to be distinguished from infantry, where they have companies and battalion and infantry division (divizija) is not the same as artillery division (divizjon). Usual battery have 6 guns and division with 3 batteries have 18 guns.
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    Post  mack8 Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:02 pm

    Thanks to Basrawii at SSC:

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    And yeah, probably battery is a more accurate term regarding those Grads, i just borrowed the russian term "divizion" (probably the closest english term being indeed "battery"?), it  is of course totally different from "diviziya" ("division" in english, large scale unit, see infantry division, tank division, fighter division in the old VVS etc.) Anyway not exactly my expertise, i'll just go with what the experts say. Smile 
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    Post  Sassanidsaxon Wed Jul 30, 2014 8:38 pm

    TOS 1As for Iraq along with the dozen or so Su-25s are a good start for crushing ISIS. Are the Su-25s receiving any upgrades to use PGMs?
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    Post  iraqidabab Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:27 pm

    Would Russia sell 10 of it's SU-27 or SU-30 ?

    If new built then 10 is no realistic number considering forming squadrons and having years of time for training, they would buy 36+ in that case. This sounds like a 2nd hand deal.

    The SU 27 or 30 are very capable and a show of force but they are mainly for air superiority, not really what Iraq is concentrated on.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:22 am

    The SU 27 or 30 are very capable and a show of force but they are mainly for air superiority, not really what Iraq is concentrated on.

    I would expect any second hand aircraft handed over would get an upgrade to Su-27SM standard as they would be rather more useful, while at the same time an order for more modern models would be easier to assimilate and use straight away and it would be easier to use them as a group.

    Russia is in the process of replacing its old Su-27s and Su-30s for newer models so passing them on to Iraq would be a good way to deal with them, while helping Iraq in the process... as i said they will likely get a minor upgrade and full overhaul and will offer Iraq a chance to get used to operating a capable 4th gen fighter again.
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    Post  iraqidabab Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:55 am

    Arabic news says 24 Russian gunships arrived to Iraq
    I don't know if they mean Su-25 or MI-24

    http://www.alghadeer.tv/news/detail/17322/

    In other news more Mi-35 arrived, MI-28 should soon as well, I guess they are still training the pilots.
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    Post  George1 Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:48 pm

    Iraq focuses on swift delivery of Russian weaponry

    Russian officials have said that TOS-1A rocket launchers are being delivered to Iraq under a USD1 billion arms deal
    The acquisition of Russian artillery and ground attack aircraft raises questions about the tactics that the Iraqi military intends to use against the Sunni areas that are currently controlled by militants

    A TOR-1A Solntsepek multiple rocket launcher (MRL) has been observed being unloaded in Baghdad: a revelation that appears to reflect a wider effort by Iraq to rapidly acquire inexpensive, but comparatively indiscriminate weaponry to fight the Sunni militants who have taken control of much of the north and west of the country.

    A Sunni opposition group called the Iraqi Revolution released photographs on 27 July of what it claimed were TOS-1 Buratino MRL systems being delivered by an Antonov An-225 transport aircraft to Baghdad the previous morning.

    Only produced in small numbers, the TOS-1 is basically a T-72 tank that has had its turret replaced with an MRL that fires 220 mm rockets, which carry thermobaric warheads. The comparatively short-range system is designed to pave the way for ground assaults and was reportedly used extensively during the Russian offensive against the Chechen capital Grozny in 1999.

    One of two photos that the Iraqi Revolution opposition group posted on its Facebook page on 27 July to show what it claimed was a An-225 delivering TOS-1 rocket launchers, but actually shows an An-124-100 and what appears to be a TOS-1A launcher and possibly a resupply vehicle. (Iraqi Revolution)One of two photos that the Iraqi Revolution opposition group posted on its Facebook page on 27 July to show what it claimed was a An-225 delivering TOS-1 rocket launchers, but actually shows an An-124-100 and what appears to be a TOS-1A launcher and possibly a resupply vehicle.

    The grainy photographs posted on Iraqi Revolution's Facebook page appear to show the newer TOS-1A Solntsepek launcher, which has 24 tubes rather than the 30 on the original TOS-1 and uses a longer-range rocket. A second vehicle that might be a resupply vehicle can also be seen.

    The aircraft in the images is a Volga-Dnepr Airlines An-124-100, rather than a larger An-225, meaning the aircraft could probably carry only two TOS-1 vehicles.

    The arrival of the system came after Iraqi Defence Minister Saadun al-Dulaimi visited Moscow. The Iraqi Ministry of Defence (MoD) said he would discuss various issues, including the possibility of speeding up the delivery of weapons and equipment.

    During the visit Dulaimi signed arms contracts worth more than USD1 billion for large quantities of artillery, mortars and ammunition, the Russian newspaper Vedomosti reported on 30 July, citing two officials in the defence industrial complex as its source. The officials said the deal included TOS-1A Solntsepek MRLs, "two or three divisions" of 122 mm Grad (MRLs), the same number of 152 mm 2A65 MSTA-B towed howitzers, and a significant number of 120 mm 2B11 Sani and 82 mm 2B14 Podnos mortars.

    The acquisition of Russian artillery will complicate logistics for the Iraqi Army, which already uses US-supplied 155 mm M198 and M109 howitzers.

    Iraq announced in June that Russia had delivered five Sukhoi Su-25 ground attack aircraft. At the time, the Iraqi MoD presented this acquisition as being part of a large deal that was concluded in 2012. However, the commander of the Iraqi Air Force (IqAF) told the Sotaliraq.com news website that the deal had been done quickly.

    General Anwar Hamad Amen Ahmed also denied claims that Iranian pilots were flying the aircraft, saying: "You can visit the operational base for the aircraft and meet Iraqi pilots who are flying these aircraft and they have full knowledge … having been put through a short and simple training cycle".

    While no photographs or video footage of the Russian-supplied Su-25s have emerged since they were seen being unloaded, the MoD has released imagery of three Iranian Su-25s that it presented as being the Russian aircraft.

    The IqAF also denied claims that civilians were being killed in Su-25 airstrikes carried out against militant-controlled areas in the north and west of the country.

    Both the Russian and Iranian Su-25s acquired by Iraq are unlikely to have the ability to launch any precision-guided munitions. A video released by the MoD showed one of the Iranian aircraft being armed with unguided FAB-500 and OFAB-250-270 bombs.

    While the acquisition of Russian hardware suggests that collateral damage will not be a significant concern for the Iraqi military as it tries to re-establish control over Sunni-dominated areas, the United States is preparing to increase Iraq's ability to carry out precision airstrikes.

    The US Defence Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) announced on 28 July that Iraq had requested another 5,000 AGM-114K/N/R, related equipment and support services for an estimated USD700 million. The laser-guided missiles are fired from the IqAF's Cessna 208 Caravan aircraft.

    A previous request announced by the DSCA on 23 January covered the delivery of 500 AGM-114K/R Hellfire missiles for an estimated USD82 million.

    The AGM-114K is an anti-tank version of the Hellfire and the AGM-114R is fitted with a thermobaric warhead, while the AGM-114R uses a warhead that combines the properties of the anti-tank, blast/fragmentation and thermobaric versions.
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    Post  iraqidabab Tue Aug 05, 2014 8:31 am

    A security source in Basra province stated that Saturday a ship loaded with Russian made military equipment, tanks and armored vechiles reached the port of Basra. will be shipped by road to Baghdad, to enter service soon.


    If the news is true it must mean T90's and BMP'3/BTR-82A

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    Post  sheytanelkebir Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:38 pm

    iraqidabab wrote:A security source in Basra province stated that Saturday a ship loaded with Russian made military equipment, tanks and armored vechiles reached the port of Basra. will be shipped by road to Baghdad, to enter service soon.


    If the news is true it must mean T90's and BMP'3/BTR-82A


    Turned out it was mraps and humvees from USA.
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    Post  Werewolf Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:44 pm

    sheytanelkebir wrote:
    iraqidabab wrote:A security source in Basra province stated that Saturday a ship loaded with Russian made military equipment, tanks and armored vechiles reached the port of Basra. will be shipped by road to Baghdad, to enter service soon.


    If the news is true it must mean T90's and BMP'3/BTR-82A


    Turned out it was mraps and humvees from USA.

    Disappointing...
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    Post  AlfaT8 Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:00 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    sheytanelkebir wrote:
    iraqidabab wrote:A security source in Basra province stated that Saturday a ship loaded with Russian made military equipment, tanks and armored vechiles reached the port of Basra. will be shipped by road to Baghdad, to enter service soon.


    If the news is true it must mean T90's and BMP'3/BTR-82A


    Turned out it was mraps and humvees from USA.

    Disappointing...
    Very, i mean MRAPS and Humvee's, thats it!!!  Rolling Eyes 

    And are they new or second hand???
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    Post  iraqidabab Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:02 am

    Must be 2nd hand sine it's rapid delivery.

    USA isn't doing a lot unfortunately, they fly 50 drone missions over Iraq daily, they can launch hellfire missiles on terrorists but they don't do anything.
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    Post  sheytanelkebir Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:02 am

    Can't be better armed than Isis after all! Even a 12.7mm is not supplied. Lol.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:10 am

    Those American vehicles were probably redirected from Afghanistan perhaps?

    On their way back to the US they will bill the Iraqi government for them and save a trip back to the US...

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