India Arms Market Competition

Werewolf wrote:
, BRICS, one of those motherfuckers which decided to join an ANTI-DOLLAR=ANTI-USA hegemony and ANTI-IWF bank organisation. Those deals are not some deals, but part of the political game,

Gaurav wrote:
Reliance Defence Ltd said in a statement that the firms would “jointly address various requirements, including 50-80 seat passenger aircraft in their basic configurations and in transport, maritime patrol and other military variants.” The aircraft will be powered by two turbo-fan engines. The medium lift aircraft will be able to operate on short field runways as well as unpaved surfaces. The partnership with Ukraine covers design of the fixed wing military aircraft, which will be configured for use in both tactical and strategic roles. Reliance Defence Ltd said in a statement that there will be a requirement of over 500 such aircraft over the next 15 years.

Werewolf wrote:There will never be tech transfer, there will never be full ToT licenses to a nation that is not just viewed as inferior by every standard of superiority complex the west has but also by factual history of enslaving that country and still there are asslickers that absolutley hate people calling them out on their Stockholm syndrome.

Fact is India is a fucking enemy nation, BRICS, one of those motherfuckers which decided to join an ANTI-DOLLAR=ANTI-USA hegemony and ANTI-IWF bank organisation. Those deals are not some deals, but part of the political game, just like i said it is not about technologies or being friendly with India, it is about playing India versus Russia and China and with that trying to battle BRICS and the crumbling status quo of Dollar hegemoney.

GarryB wrote:An Indian order for Il-476s would be a good thing...

If they do buy them then perhaps the MTA with the same dimensions and engines would make more sense perhaps?

Washington: At a time when India plans to purchase five S-400 Triumf air defence systems for around $4.5 billion from Russia, the US on Saturday said its friends and allies should take into consideration the law under which any significant purchase of military equipment from Moscow would attract American sanctions.

US officials said the major defence purchase by India from Russia would attract sanctions under the Countering America's Adversaries through Sanction Act (CAATSA), which was signed into law by US President Donald Trump in August 2017 and went into effect in January this year.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin will hold an informal summit in the Russian city of Sochi on Monday, and official sources said the possible impact of the US sanctions against Russia under CAATSA on Indo-Russia defence cooperation may also figure during the talks between the two leaders.

"CAATSA is a feature and we need to take it seriously. The (Trump) administration is always bound by US law. This is a US law. I'm hoping that not just India, but all of the partners that we engage with will understand that we will have to evaluate any potential large defence purchase from Russia seriously because that's what the law demands of us," Tina Kaidanow, Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Political-Military Affairs, told reporters during a conference call on Saturday.

Kaidanow travels to India next week, during which she will hold talks on defence trade and peacekeeping, which are among two key areas of the rapidly growing US-India partnership as envisioned in the administration's Indo-Pacific strategy.

Referring to the conversation that the US is having with India and other countries on CAATSA, Kaidanow said the US wants this to be a positive discussion, not framed on the negative.

"We are going to have to continue to have that conversation with both our Indian counterparts and others about how do we deal with the CAATSA issue. But, I will tell you again, it is US law. We need to take it seriously. Our partners need to take that into consideration as they make their decisions. I can't stress that enough," Kaidanow said.

When specifically asked if she sees the possibility of US imposing sanctions on India, if it goes ahead with its defence deals with Russia, the senior US official said that everyone should read that legislation carefully and understand its intent.

"The intent is not to sanction our partners. The intent is to emphasise how important it is that Russia's malign behaviour all over the world is countered and by virtue of purchasing large-scale Russian system, what you're doing is enabling that kind of behaviour. That's the intent of the legislation," she said.

India is not going to allow its defence engagement with Russia to be dictated by any other country, the sources said earlier this week, adding New Delhi has been lobbying with the Trump administration on the issue.

Kaidanow sought to clarify that the message was intended not just for India but for all its partners as they contemplate these purchases. She underscored the "positive incentives" to buy American products which are "good" and address relevant security needs besides making their forces interoperable in certain instances. :rotfl:

"Think about what you're doing when you purchase Russian product. It has a distinctly negative byproduct and that is you are creating an environment in which they are better able to do some of the things that we know are problematic," Kaidanow said.

She acknowledged the US understands the historic defence relationship between India and Russia.

"We understand all of that. It's a function of what are we talking about? Are you buying, a single truck; are you buying a large scale system ... these are things we're going to talk about," she said.

“India is now between the devil and the deep blue sea. If India opts to do business with Russia, it loses out on spares and services from the U.S. on equipment already purchased such as the Boeing P-8I maritime patrol aircraft and the Lockheed Martin C-130J,” said a senior MoD official. However, with no “force majeure” clause in those contracts, U.S. defense companies will be considered defaulters according to India’s Defense Procurement Procedure, resulting in heavy fines.

“This issue brings us back to the issue of trust that took so long to build between the two nations,” said an Indian MoD official. He noted that India has not yet signed two foundational agreements for defense cooperation with the U.S.: the Communications Compatibility and Security Agreement, previously known as the Communications and Information Security Memorandum of Agreement, and Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement. The two are necessary for India to access communication security equipment on imports from the U.S. and sharing geospatial information, respectively. “India never fully trusted the U.S.,” the official added.

GarryB wrote:I would add that the AK-103 they bought was the 7.62x39mm calibre model and is intended to replace the AKs they currently use.

It seems they prefer the AK and its heavier bullet in built up areas where engagement ranges are shortish, while the INSAS in 5.56mm HATO calibre they use for more open areas.

GarryB wrote:They have chosen an American firm to make them new rifles in 5.56mm calibre.

GarryB wrote:The factory that they will use to build their AK-103s could also build RPK-16s or other weapons later on if they so choose...