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    Post  Kiko Thu Aug 03, 2023 1:27 pm

    India brands false information from US media about its rejection of BRICS enlargement, 08.03.2023.

    NEW DELHI (Sputnik) — The Government of India described as false the statements of the US agency 'Bloomberg' about its alleged refusal to the expansion of the BRICS group, the alliance that also brings together Brazil, Russia, China and South Africa.

    "We saw some unfounded speculations (...) that India has reservations about enlargement. That is totally false," Indian Foreign Ministry spokesman Arindam Bagchi said, commenting on Bloomberg's publication in a press appearance.

    Earlier, the aforementioned US agency claimed that India was allegedly opposed to the expansion of the BRICS group out of fear that China would increase its influence.

    The Indian diplomatic official emphasized that his country approaches this issue positively and without any bias.

    "The BRICS countries conduct internal discussions on the principles, standards, criteria and procedure for the incorporation of new members," he added.

    The issue of the possible expansion of the BRICS will be one of the central axes of the next summit of the group, which will be held between August 22 and 24 in the city of Johannesburg.

    Recently, countries such as Argentina, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Egypt, Indonesia, Iran, Turkey and others have shown interest in joining the organization.

    The BRICS group, currently chaired by South Africa, represents more than 20% of the global gross domestic product (GDP) and 42% of the world's population.

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    https://sputniknews.lat/20230803/la-india-tilda-de-falsa-informacion-de-medios-de-eeuu-sobre-su-rechazo-a-ampliacion-de-brics-1142216701.html

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    Post  GarryB Thu Aug 03, 2023 11:16 pm

    Another western media outlet claimed Brazil was against expansion too, which also turned out to be made up.

    BRICS is not a military colonial bully club... it is a trading group, so the more members the better... they just need to agree the rules before there are too many different voices to get a consensus easily.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:11 pm

    So the leaders of 23 countries want to join BRICS, so that would be 27 countries in total if they are all accepted...

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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Aug 11, 2023 12:09 am

    https://www.rt.com/business/581032-mexico-opts-against-brics/

    Mexico will not be joining the BRICS bloc of countries.

    "We are not going to participate in this bloc, in this association. Of course, we celebrate that other countries do. However, for reasons of proximity, geopolitics, we will continue strengthening the alliance with North America and the whole of the Americas," - Mexican President was cited as saying by La Prensa Latina news outlet.

    Mexican President stressing that his administration’s current priority is developing ties under the 2020 US-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA). The US and Canada are Mexico’s largest trading partners, with roughly 85% of Mexican exports going to the two North American countries. According to a Washington Post report last week, US imports from Mexico surged by about $10 billion year-on-year in 2023. Obrador said he plans to boost cooperation further.

    Reader's comments wrote:Translation: Mexico does not want to be invaded by Empire America.

    Comments from Vietnamese netizens wrote:Can't blame them considering their own circumstances. At least the Mexicans is trying their best to keep the neutral stance and they respect the choice of other countries. Meanwhile the Maidan regime ... well we can't expect anything from these Nazis anyway.
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    Post  lyle6 Fri Aug 11, 2023 3:09 am

    BRICS is as useful as a pile of, well bricks, anyway. Of the BRICS member-states Russia is the only that is actively resisting the US and her minions. Everyone else - nothing. Worse than nothing, they are actually trying to leverage their position in BRICS to jockey more favorable terms with the US. As if the master would negotiate with his slaves. Razz
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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Aug 11, 2023 3:24 am

    lyle6 wrote:BRICS is as useful as a pile of, well bricks, anyway. Of the BRICS member-states Russia is the only that is actively resisting the US and her minions. Everyone else - nothing. Worse than nothing, they are actually trying to leverage their position in BRICS to jockey more favorable terms with the US. As if the master would negotiate with his slaves. Razz

    Why not ? Negiotation better terms is a form of resistance. Better terms means you get a more fair deal, your opponent's power and authority is more restricted and they are less likely to bring harm to you. And these negiotation attempts are backed by real power, not by wishful thinking.

    Even most of the wars end on the negiotation table and the winner is the one get better terms.

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    Post  lyle6 Fri Aug 11, 2023 3:34 am

    higurashihougi wrote:
    Why not ? Negiotation better terms is a form of resistance. Better terms means you get a more fair deal, your opponent's power and authority is more restricted and they are less likely to bring harm to you. And these negiotation attempts are backed by real power, not by wishful thinking.

    Even most of the wars end on the negiotation table and the winner is the one get better terms.
    Its pathetic, its what it is. Slaves on a plantation narcing on the one slave that is trying to free them, in exchange for more gruel at supper. Rolling Eyes
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Aug 11, 2023 3:52 am

    lyle6 wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:
    Why not ? Negiotation better terms is a form of resistance. Better terms means you get a more fair deal, your opponent's power and authority is more restricted and they are less likely to bring harm to you. And these negiotation attempts are backed by real power, not by wishful thinking.

    Even most of the wars end on the negiotation table and the winner is the one get better terms.
    Its pathetic, its what it is. Slaves on a plantation narcing on the one slave that is trying to free them, in exchange for more gruel at supper. Rolling Eyes

    All the West's wealth is based off of exploitation
    Or at least most of it

    If all these other countries manage to leverage their position, as a result of the conflict the West has found itself in with Russia, to throw off their shackles and attain parity in trade and political relations; then they've won. The rest of the world has won. Europe and the US will find their sources of income evaporating.

    Similar story with Mexico. If as a result of the Mexican president's fiery speeches and support of anti-American governments in South America, he's actually managed to scare the US into giving him fair trade relations - then Mexico has won too. Only now the US and Canada will not be able to confine the wealth to themselves at the expense of Mexico, but will have to give Mexico its fair share too, with all its +100 million population. Which means less wealth for them in relative terms. And so they've sowed the seeds for their own downfall.

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    Post  lyle6 Fri Aug 11, 2023 11:01 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    All the West's wealth is based off of exploitation
    Or at least most of it

    If all these other countries manage to leverage their position, as a result of the conflict the West has found itself in with Russia, to throw off their shackles and attain parity in trade and political relations; then they've won. The rest of the world has won. Europe and the US will find their sources of income evaporating.
    The west was never powerful because they are wealthy. The west is powerful because they are masters at using violence to achieve their aims.

    I don't think the Russians succeeding in crushing NATO would help the global struggle against western imperialism.

    If anything this would lead the west to consolidate their holdings and crack down on any dissent in preparation for a showdown with China.

    They already got the template right; just make more Ukraines, then set them off against their real opponents.



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    Post  AlfaT8 Fri Aug 11, 2023 11:56 am

    Defeating nato isnt the issue.
    It is breaking the Western financial dominance that is the real target.

    The heart of western imperialism lies not on the battlefield, but the banks and financial realm.

    No matter how they consolidate or what template they use, as long as their financial dominance is broken, it will be over for the West.

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    Post  Broski Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:22 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:Defeating nato isnt the issue.
    It is breaking the Western financial dominance that is the real target.

    The heart of western imperialism lies not on the battlefield, but the banks and financial realm.

    No matter how they consolidate or what template they use, as long as their financial dominance is broken, it will be over for the West.
    Correct, that's why having BRICS members create alternatives to SWIFT, the USD, IMF and World Bank is important. Offering developing countries a fair deal like 'loans for infrastructure' as opposed to loans in exchange for austerity and privatization of the economy for the benefit of western corporate parasites.

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    Post  Hole Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:54 pm

    The West can´t fight one war, fighting 10 or more wars all over the world, even against small and poor countries, to keep them in line, is impossible.

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    Post  lyle6 Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:06 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:Defeating nato isnt the issue.
    It is breaking the Western financial dominance that is the real target.

    The heart of western imperialism lies not on the battlefield, but the banks and financial realm.

    No matter how they consolidate or what template they use, as long as their financial dominance is broken, it will be over for the West.
    If you can somehow bypass the western financial system they have other methods as well.

    They can't get you through your treasury they'll get you through your people with mass subversion and propaganda delivered by their full spectrum dominance of the information space.

    Or if that fails naked force is always an option - wrecking things is always easier than building them.

    You people are underestimating the west. They wouldn't own this planet for 5 centuries and counting if they're not good at what they do.

    Broski wrote:
    Correct, that's why having BRICS members create alternatives to SWIFT, the USD, IMF and World Bank is important. Offering developing countries a fair deal like 'loans for infrastructure' as opposed to loans in exchange for austerity and privatization of the economy for the benefit of western corporate parasites.
    Then they'll just blow up your infrastructure. You don't get any infrastructure, China doesn't get any return on its investment. Already happened in Libya, btw.

    Hole wrote:
    The West can´t fight one war, fighting 10 or more wars all over the world, even against small and poor countries, to keep them in line, is impossible.
    They don't have to. Most of their slaves are dumb enough to do the fighting and dying on their behalf. See Ukraine.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Sat Aug 12, 2023 1:25 am

    lyle6 wrote:
    If you can somehow bypass the western financial system they have other methods as well.

    They can't get you through your treasury they'll get you through your people with mass subversion and propaganda delivered by their full spectrum dominance of the information space.

    Or if that fails naked force is always an option - wrecking things is always easier than building them.

    You people are underestimating the west. They wouldn't own this planet for 5 centuries and counting if they're not good at what they do.

    Yes, that's a big problem, the propaganda and intelligence battle is pretty much the only real stick the west has left.
    Luckily the west has spent decades after the cold war destroying their own credibility.
    Their failures in the middle-east, Asia and Africa are significant.

    Basically people from all over are looking for one thing in almost any relation, "What is going to benefit me"
    Not the country, but they themselves, and once they look through the constant failures of the West and how they actually treat their "allies".
    And how dysfunctional the West is, especially with their GloboHomo ideology.
    This hopefully dissuades most people from becoming some doomed Maidan movement.

    Yea about that, you need to first build in order to wreck, this war in Ukraine has shown the world that the West in general cannot build enough to wreck.
    As in the weapons production of the West is but a pale shadow to what it once was.
    Ooh how the mighty have fallen.

    All things come to an end, the West is no exception.
    Ill be frank, the leaders of the West are either to far down the rabbit hole of their own ideologies or they are simply going full senile.
    They have no real successors to take their mantle of dominance.
    On top of that they have sold their nations to migrant foreigners, that will eventually replace/displace the population responsible for building and maintaining the empire.

    So the Wests future is anything but bright.
    Dark times are coming, and the rest of the world has no interest in being dragged into such mess, ergo they are seeking BRICS and other alternatives.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Aug 12, 2023 4:49 am

    You people are underestimating the west. They wouldn't own this planet for 5 centuries and counting if they're not good at what they do.

    But BRICS are not underestimating the west... essentially Russia is taking on the west, and all they really need from BRICS is to not turn on them and continue to trade with them normally and not follow all of the wests sanctions against Russia.

    The point is that if China and India stopped buying Russian gas and oil Russia would have problems, but they didn't stop, they bought the stuff the west stopped buying which has really helped Russia... and it has really helped China and India because they can now sell it to the west as finished products for a big profit...

    The US and EU is breaking itself with these stupid sanctions that keep backfiring and undermining confidence in the west as they seize money and assets and steal them for their own reasons... the US dollar is being used less and less and while they can artificially protect it for a while that is going to have an effect shortly when countries refuse payment in US dollars or Euros because none of their trading partners will accept it or it might get seized mid deal... because of some made up accusation.

    The west is very busy destroying itself... BRICS don't need to do anything... it is already happening.

    BRICS if you are paying attention is rebelling against the west... look at comments from African countries about the west... about france and about western demands regarding alphabet people, and about food security and how the west wants the world to support Kiev... because the burden is too great for the west alone it seems... how funny is that?

    We keep hearing about how damn powerful HATO is and how the US alone can fight several war at once and win them all without even trying very hard.

    Well Russia is fighting in Syria and Ukraine and seem to be successful... though not without costs and losses... both these conflicts were created by the US and I hope Russians do not forget this and that the world takes note who the bad guys really are.

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    Post  lyle6 Sat Aug 12, 2023 6:14 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Yes, that's a big problem, the propaganda and intelligence battle is pretty much the only real stick the west has left.
    Luckily the west has spent decades after the cold war destroying their own credibility.
    Their failures in the middle-east, Asia and Africa are significant.
    If you can brainwash the masses into denying basic truths like the binary sexes you can make them believe anything.

    That stick is no stick at all - its a fucking nuclear bomb.

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Basically people from all over are looking for one thing in almost any relation, "What is going to benefit me"
    Not the country, but they themselves, and once they look through the constant failures of the West and how they actually treat their "allies".
    And how dysfunctional the West is, especially with their GloboHomo ideology.
    This hopefully dissuades most people from becoming some doomed Maidan movement.
    And that's exactly how they want it. Nobody gives a **** about his neighbors nowadays, society has become atomized, everybody only looks out only for himself.

    Do you think that makes all of us more or less susceptible to the west's subversion?

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Yea about that, you need to first build in order to wreck, this war in Ukraine has shown the world that the West in general cannot build enough to wreck.
    As in the weapons production of the West is but a pale shadow to what it once was.
    Ooh how the mighty have fallen.
    The war in Ukraine has shown that with enough brainwashing, any country can be induced to kamikaze themselves into oblivion. And that they have no lack of suitable candidates for the task wherever they spit on the map.

    Russia is a superpower and its not having a breeze dealing with Ukraine - everyone else would have one hell of a time with this kind of persistent threat.

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    All things come to an end, the West is no exception.
    Ill be frank, the leaders of the West are either to far down the rabbit hole of their own ideologies or they are simply going full senile.
    They have no real successors to take their mantle of dominance.
    On top of that they have sold their nations to migrant foreigners, that will eventually replace/displace the population responsible for building and maintaining the empire.

    So the Wests future is anything but bright.
    Dark times are coming, and the rest of the world has no interest in being dragged into such mess, ergo they are seeking BRICS and other alternatives.
    But they are getting dragged with the west. As things stand, only Russia and a handful of countries have taken measures to limit the spread of the western rot into their societies. Everyone else is at status quo.

    GarryB wrote:
    But BRICS are not underestimating the west... essentially Russia is taking on the west, and all they really need from BRICS is to not turn on them and continue to trade with them normally and not follow all of the wests sanctions against Russia.
    So against an apocalyptic threat only 1 member of the group is actually out there in the trenches dealing with the enemy. Wow. Way to make my point what fucking useless sacks the rest of BRICS are.

    GarryB wrote:
    The point is that if China and India stopped buying Russian gas and oil Russia would have problems, but they didn't stop, they bought the stuff the west stopped buying which has really helped Russia... and it has really helped China and India because they can now sell it to the west as finished products for a big profit...
    That's not help at all. They're doing business but the west is still getting Russian energy albeit more expensive. Russian diesel and gasoline is still going into NATO tanks to kill Russians.

    Some kind of help. If this is how its going to be these assholes should be prepared because once its their turn to get the fucking of their lives Russia will also be supplying the lube.

    GarryB wrote:
    The US and EU is breaking itself with these stupid sanctions that keep backfiring and undermining confidence in the west as they seize money and assets and steal them for their own reasons... the US dollar is being used less and less and while they can artificially protect it for a while that is going to have an effect shortly when countries refuse payment in US dollars or Euros because none of their trading partners will accept it or it might get seized mid deal... because of some made up accusation.
    The west has its hands full with Russia today. Wait after they're finished with their Ukraine business and then we can see if this dedollarization is going to be successful or not.
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    Post  flamming_python Sat Aug 12, 2023 10:10 am

    China is providing all the market Russia needs. In the worst-case, it's ready to become a forge-world for Russia as well but otherwise it keeping out of the conflict means that Russia's civilian economy will be able to turn big profits from exports and have somewhere to import all the goods and tech it doesn't produce itself too; including copies of many Western technologies. China wouldn't be able to fulfill this role as well if it was openly blockaded by the West itself.

    India's interests do not lie in a unipolar world dominated by the US. Hence why it's in BRICS. But equally they don't want China to emerge as some new hegemon and that's what they suspect China of angling towards, rightly or wrongly. In this sense, India's position is actually most aligned with Russia's out of anyone else - both countries want true multi-polarity to emerge in the world.
    India also provides a key market for Russia, a balance against China, a source of a lot of international students, and increasingly a 2nd hand source for Western parts and technologies too which the Indians are not bothered in restricting Russia access to; they know the West values their 'neutrality' too much to follow through with any threats.

    South Africa is a country with a lot of problems, and also a lot of potential. But yeah a lot of problems, developmental challenges and weak points that the West can take advantage of. It has already resisted Western pressure to cut-down ties with Russia, it should be given some slack for being part of the ICC and not wanting to openly confront a Western institution over a BRICS summit one of which takes place every year anyway.
    South Africa is important as it gives Russia depth in its relations and confers African legitimacy onto the BRICS organization. Many African countries want to join the BRICS because they saw South Africa in the organization, and many of these are more antagonistic to the West than South Africa is.. but that doesn't make them more useful necessarily.
    Point is - South Africa's position is good for Russia as is. No need to encourage them to rock their own boat.

    Brazil has been more resistant to Western pressure than most observers expected and many South American countries hold similar positions. Brazil in a way speaks for them within the organization. What Russia needs from Brazil is again a market, and Global South legitimacy. Not anything else. Russia doesn't need Brazil to get into some random war with the West or Columbia or whatever just for the sake of it.

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    Post  AlfaT8 Sat Aug 12, 2023 10:37 am

    lyle6 wrote:If you can brainwash the masses into denying basic truths like the binary sexes you can make them believe anything.

    That stick is no stick at all - its a fucking nuclear bomb.

    The requires more than just propaganda, we all know about the long march the progressives had in the educational institutions.
    So, so long as the academic branch hasn't been compromised you are gonna have a hard time with just propaganda.

    Oh, if its that stick, then there is nothing to worry about, Russia has the most nukes and the most advance nuclear arsenal in existence.
    And the most advance ABM systems around.

    But the real question is, if the West is suicidal enough, me, i tend to believe they are too obsessed with power to risk it all.

    And that's exactly how they want it. Nobody gives a **** about his neighbors nowadays, society has become atomized, everybody only looks out only for himself.

    Do you think that makes all of us more or less susceptible to the west's subversion?

    On one hand that might be a good thing, patriotism has pretty much crashed in the U.S, creating a serious problem for recruitment.
    Not too sure about other countries outside the west.

    Thanks to GloboHomo and the refugee clusterF, definitely less.

    The war in Ukraine has shown that with enough brainwashing, any country can be induced to kamikaze themselves into oblivion. And that they have no lack of suitable candidates for the task wherever they spit on the map.

    Russia is a superpower and its not having a breeze dealing with Ukraine - everyone else would have one hell of a time with this kind of persistent threat.

    I would say Ukraine is a bit of a unique situation.
    We have seen what happened to Georgia and before that Chechnya, and Ukraine is something different from them.
    Unlike them Ukraine has utterly thrown away any semblance of self-preservation.
    I believe the Polish part of Ukraine was the main Tumor that spread the cancer of Western disillusion in Ukraine, leading to the 2014 shitshow.
    I watched these idiots on BBC going on about "bringing Europe to Ukraine" these F'ing retards believed it was 1994 and the soviet union just collapsed.
    It was obvious what was going to happen, as i said back then on this very forum, let these idiots drown in their own feces.
    I would say they are definitely running out of candidates, especially now.

    That depends on what you believe, from what i see, Russia could have wrapped this war up last year, when they were knocking on Kiev's door, then we had Boris Jhonson nonsense in Kiev.
    This falls into what Russia's grand plan is, which we don't know much about.

    But they are getting dragged with the west. As things stand, only Russia and a handful of countries have taken measures to limit the spread of the western rot into their societies. Everyone else is at status quo.

    And that's where BRICS, the SCO and ext come in.
    Standard capitalism, if there is a bad monopoly competition will rise to meet it, the reason countries cant simply say no to the Western rot is because of their reliance on the Western financial networks.
    Now that the alternative BRICS/SCO networks are coming online, we will see more and more countries throwing away the western rot.
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    Post  lyle6 Sat Aug 12, 2023 11:01 am

    flamming_python wrote:China is providing all the market Russia needs. In the worst-case, it's ready to become a forge-world for Russia as well but otherwise it keeping out of the conflict means that Russia's civilian economy will be able to turn big profits from exports and have somewhere to import all the goods and tech it doesn't produce itself too; including copies of many Western technologies. China wouldn't be able to fulfill this role as well if it was openly blockaded by the West itself.

    India's interests do not lie in a unipolar world dominated by the US. Hence why it's in BRICS. But equally they don't want China to emerge as some new hegemon and that's what they suspect China of angling towards, rightly or wrongly. In this sense, India's position is actually most aligned with Russia's out of anyone else - both countries want true multi-polarity to emerge in the world.
    India also provides a key market for Russia, a balance against China, a source of a lot of international students, and increasingly a 2nd hand source for Western parts and technologies too which the Indians are not bothered in restricting Russia access to; they know the West values their 'neutrality' too much to follow through with any threats.

    Brazil has been more resistant to Western pressure than most observers expected and many South American countries hold similar positions. Brazil in a way speaks for them within the organization. What Russia needs from Brazil is again a market, and Global South legitimacy. Not anything else. Russia doesn't need Brazil to get into some random war with the West or Columbia or whatever just for the sake of it.
    By keeping out of this conflict they are setting the tone for the rest. The collective west can **** with any of us, but we will not dare intervene.

    Divide and conquer. The same time tested strategy, still unbeaten even to this day.

    Russia is a true superpower because it acts the part. These 3 have bitch baked in their DNA.
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    South Africa is a country with a lot of problems, and also a lot of potential. But yeah a lot of problems, developmental challenges and weak points that the West can take advantage of. It has already resisted Western pressure to cut-down ties with Russia, it should be given some slack for being part of the ICC and not wanting to openly confront a Western institution over a BRICS summit one of which takes place every year anyway.
    South Africa is important as it gives Russia depth in its relations and confers African legitimacy onto the BRICS organization. Many African countries want to join the BRICS because they saw South Africa in the organization, and many of these are more antagonistic to the West than South Africa is.. but that doesn't make them more useful necessarily.
    Point is - South Africa's position is good for Russia as is. No need to encourage them to rock their own boat.
    South Africa is a blight on BRICS. The organization will be better off not associating themselves with genocidal incompetents who can't even run their own shit without the very demographic they are murdering. Take Algeria or Iran instead.

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    Post  lyle6 Sat Aug 12, 2023 11:11 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    The requires more than just propaganda, we all know about the long march the progressives had in the educational institutions.
    So, so long as the academic branch hasn't been compromised you are gonna have a hard time with just propaganda.

    Oh, if its that stick, then there is nothing to worry about, Russia has the most nukes and the most advance nuclear arsenal in existence.
    And the most advance ABM systems around.

    But the real question is, if the West is suicidal enough, me, i tend to believe they are too obsessed with power to risk it all.
    They're all compromised, but it doesn't matter because people get their brainwashing straight from the tap anyways, thanks to internet and the west's complete domination of the information space.

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    On one hand that might be a good thing, patriotism has pretty much crashed in the U.S, creating a serious problem for recruitment.
    Not too sure about other countries outside the west.

    Thanks to GloboHomo and the refugee clusterF, definitely less.
    They don't need to. The US can just wave a green card and 90% of active service members in third world shitholes would flock to join under the rainbow flag.

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    I would say Ukraine is a bit of a unique situation.
    We have seen what happened to Georgia and before that Chechnya, and Ukraine is something different from them.
    Unlike them Ukraine has utterly thrown away any semblance of self-preservation.
    I believe the Polish part of Ukraine was the main Tumor that spread the cancer of Western disillusion in Ukraine, leading to the 2014 shitshow.
    I watched these idiots on BBC going on about "bringing Europe to Ukraine" these F'ing retards believed it was 1994 and the soviet union just collapsed.
    It was obvious what was going to happen, as i said back then on this very forum, let these idiots drown in their own feces.
    I would say they are definitely running out of candidates, especially now.

    That depends on what you believe, from what i see, Russia could have wrapped this war up last year, when they were knocking on Kiev's door, then we had Boris Jhonson nonsense in Kiev.
    This falls into what Russia's grand plan is, which we don't know much about.
    The same pattern holds everywhere - its not unique at all. Look at Taiwan, they are literally speed running svido-bullshit against an opponent they have zero chances of surviving.

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    Post  AlfaT8 Sat Aug 12, 2023 3:16 pm

    lyle6 wrote:
    They're all compromised, but it doesn't matter because people get their brainwashing straight from the tap anyways, thanks to internet and the west's complete domination of the information space.

    I don't believe so, since if that were the case, well we wouldn't even be having this discussing nor would this forum exist.
    Hell, perhaps one of use is a Bot.
    (Just saw the recent Mission impossible movie, their view on AI was interesting)

    They don't need to. The US can just wave a green card and 90% of active service members in third world shitholes would flock to join under the rainbow flag.

    In the peace time insurgency days, sure, but now that a possible Real war is on the table, recruitment is way down.
    On top of that, the actual benefits of being a serviceman barely exists nowadays.
    Recently politician started talking about a "limited draft" and by limited they mean men only, so its just a draft.
    If they try that nonsense with the current political situation in the country, the U.S would be in for a world of political and civil unrest.

    The same pattern holds everywhere - its not unique at all. Look at Taiwan, they are literally speed running svido-bullshit against an opponent they have zero chances of surviving.

    I would say that that is just propaganda, if anything, Taiwan seems to be very aware of the situation that they are between a rock and a hard place.
    Their self-preservation instincts still look intact for now, and unlike Ukraine there is simply no hope of keeping Taiwan supplied
    Their population are also looking at the Ukraine situation, and i do not believe they want to simply become canon-fodder for the West.
    We will have to wait and see though.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Aug 12, 2023 11:09 pm

    BRICS is not some new boys club to replace the old boys club, BRICS is about countries trying to work together but not to gang up to fight each other or anyone else.

    The goal is to trade and work together to develop link and help with growth and development in your own country and in other countries too.

    The west thinks their only chance to be comfortable and wealthy is for everyone else to be poor and to steal from them everything they have before they realise its value.

    BRICS is about helping everyone up so everyone can enjoy a more comfortable life without screwing over someone else to do it.

    Russias problem is that a portion of the population were brain washed in to thinking the west were good and fair and if Russia is nice to them and give them cheap energy and raw materials that they will not be a threat and everyone can grow and develop peacefully.

    Instead they have advanced their military bases closer and closer to Russian borders and turned countries against Russia and encouraged anti Russian feelings every where they could.

    There was no thanks for helping in Afghanistan, there was no thanks for the warning about 11/9, there was no thanks for anything at all.

    In fact there was just anger and Russia aggressively not moving back as HATO bases moved closer, with NGOs used to pollute Russian society and fund idiots like Navalny and Vagina Riot.

    Russia is not on its own, the rest of the world is supporting Russia in their neutrality and Russia does not need any more... they have a military and a nuclear weapons arsenal to say **** off America we don't need you, and as time goes by BRICS will develop a new trading currency and trading system and international organisations that are not blatantly controlled by the west and the BRICS countries can use those to disentangle themselves from the west.

    Right now they are vulnerable and their economies would not survive the way Russia has because the west never really let Russia fully join the international community through the international organisations they control and manipulate... it isn't easy for Russia, but it is good for Russia not to be tied into western institutions any more.

    Over time as BRICS expands and trade expands and these countries start to really develop and grow because the ropes the west has been using to tie the hands of the world have been removed and more countries decide to join... even Micron wanted to sit in on a session to hear what is happening... not that he will be allowed because he breaks the basic rules of BRICS... don't think it is OK to sanction another country because that country things differently about things than you do... like the US and EU and HATO do.

    Being part of BRICS any country is entitled to think the US is right about Russia in the Ukraine... you can have your own opinion and policies and state them openly without punishment. What they can't do is punish Russia because the US and EU want them to.

    Using economics as a weapon is self destructive as we are seeing with the US using its currency as a weapon, which has destroyed it, because the most important thing about currency and investments is confidence and security.

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    Post  Kiko Fri Aug 18, 2023 7:58 am

    From Bukhara to BRICS, Searching for Light in the Darkness of Insanity, by Pepe Escobar for Strategic Culture Foundation. 08.18.2023.

    Bukhara The Noble, the “Dome of Islam”, with a history stretching back 2.500 years, bears too many marvels to mention: from the two-millennia-old Ark, a fortress around which the city developed, to the 48-meter high Kalon minaret, built in 1127, which so impressed Genghis Khan that he ordered it not to be razed.

    The elegant, single turquoise band near the top of the minaret is the earliest example of glazed tilework all across the Heartland.

    According to the Shanameh, the Persian epic, the hero Siyavush founded the city after marrying the daughter of neighboring Afrasiab. Even before the Ancient Silk Roads were in business, Bukhara thrived as a caravan crossroads – its city gates pointing to Merv (in today’s Turkmenistan), Herat (in western Afghanistan), Khiva and Samarkand.

    Bukhara’s apex was in the 9th-10th centuries under the Samanid dynasty, as it turned into a Mecca of Persian culture and science. That was the time of al-Biruni, the poet Rudaki and of course Avicenna: they all had access to the legendary Treasure of Wisdom, a library that in the Islamic world would only be rivalled by the House of Wisdom in Baghdad.

    Bukhara was largely razed by Genghis Khan and the Mongols in 1220 (yes: only the minaret was spared). When the great Moroccan traveler Ibn Battuta visited in 1333, most of the city was still in ruins.

    But then, in 1318, someone very special had been born in Kasri Orifon, a village outside of Bukhara. At first he was simply known as Muhammad, after his father and grandfather, whose origins reached Hazrat Ali. But History ruled that Muhammad would eventually become famous all over the lands of Islam as the Sufi saint Bahauddin Naqshbandi.

    What’s in a name? Everything. Bahauddin means “the light of religion” and Naqshbandi means “chaser”. His upbringing was enriched by several pirs (“saints”) and sheikhs living in and around Bukhara. He spent almost all his life in these oases, very poor and always relying on his own manual labor, with no slaves or servants.

    Bahauddin Naqshbandi ended up founding a highly influential tariqa – Islamic school – based on a very simple concept: “Occupy your heart with Allah and your hands with work”. The concept was developed in other 11 rules, or rashas (“drops”).

    What’s coming out of those “five fingers”

    A visit to the Bahauddin Naqshbandi complex outside of Bukhara, centered around the tomb of the 14th century Sufi saint who is in fact the city’s spiritual protector, is an illuminating experience: such a peaceful atmosphere enveloping an appeasing network of holy stones, “wishing trees” and the odd sacrificial offering.

    This is the essence of what could be defined as a parallel Islam infusing so many latitudes across the Heartland, combining an animist past with formal Islamic teachings.

    At the complex, we meet scores of lovely, colorfully dressed Uzbek women from all regions and pilgrims from all over Central Asia but also from West and South Asia. Uzbek President Mirzoyoyev, extremely popular, was here late last week, and he came straight from the nearby, brand new, airport.

    This oasis of peace and meditation offers not only a sharp contrast to the toxic turbulence of the times but also inspires us to search for sanity among the madness. After all, one of Naqshbandi’s rashas states, “our way is conversation, good deeds are found only in mutual communication, but not in seclusion.”

    So let’s apply Sufi wisdom to the upcoming, possibly ground-breaking moment that should solidify the path of the Global Majority towards a more equitable, less deranged pattern of international relations: the 15th BRICS summit in South Africa next week.

    Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi has coined a concise definition that embodies a fascinating mix of Confucianism and Sufism: “The BRICS countries are like five fingers: short and long if extended, but a powerful fist if clenched together.”

    How to clench these fingers into a powerful fist has been the work of quite a few sherpas in preparation for the summit. But soon this will not be a matter related to a fist, but to fists, arms, legs and in fact, a whole body. That’s where BRICS+ comes in.

    Among the network of new multilateral organizations involved in preparing and acting out a new system of international relations, BRICS is now seen as the premier Global South, or Global Majority, or “Global Globe” (copyright Lukashenko) platform.

    We are still far away from the transition towards a new “world system” – to quote Wallerstein – but without BRICS even baby steps would be impossible.

    South Africa will seal the first coordinates for the BRICS+ expansion – which may go on indefinitely. After all, large swathes of the “Global Globe” already have stated, formally (23 nations) and informally (countless “expressions of interest”, according to the South African Foreign Ministry) they want in.

    The official list – subject to change – of those nations who want to be part of BRICS+ as soon as possible is a Global South’s who’s who: Algeria, Argentina, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Bolivia, Cuba, Egypt, Ethiopia, Honduras, Indonesia, Iran, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Morocco, Nigeria, the State of Palestine, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Thailand, UAE, Venezuela and Vietnam.

    Then there’s Africa: the “five fingers”, via South African President Cyril Ramaphosa, invited no less than 67 leaders from Africa and the Global South to follow the BRICS-Africa Outreach and BRICS+ Dialogues.

    This all spells out what would be the key BRICS rasha, to evoke Naqshbandi: total Africa and Global South inclusion – all nations engaged in profitable conversations and equally respected in affirming their sovereignty.

    The Persians strike back

    A case can be made that Iran is in a privileged position to become one of the first BRICS+ members. It helps that Tehran already enjoys strategic partnership status with both Russia and China and also is a key partner of India in the International North South Transportation Corridor (INSTC).

    Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian has already stated, on the record that, “the partnership between Iran and BRICS has in fact already started in some areas. In the field of transport, the North-South transport corridor connecting India to Russia via Iran is actually part of BRICS’ transport project.”

    In parallel to breakthroughs on BRICS+, the “five fingers” will be relatively cautious on the de-dollarization front. Sherpas have already confirmed, off the record, there will be no official announcement of a new currency, but of more bilateral trade and multilateral trade using the members’ own currencies: for the moment the notorious R5 (renminbi, ruble, real, rupee and rand).

    Belarussian leader Lukashenko, who coined “Global Globe” as a motto as strong, if not even more seductive than Global South, was the first to evoke a crucial policy coup that may take place further on down the road, with BRICS+ in effect: the merger of BRICS and the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO).

    Now Lukashenko is being echoed in public by former South African ambassador Kingsley Makhubela – as well as scores of “Global Globe” diplomats and analysts off the record: “In the future, BRICS and the SCO would match to form one entity (…) Because having the BRICS and the SCO running in parallel with the same members would not make sense.”

    No question about that. The key BRICS drivers are Russia and China, with India slightly less influential for a number of complex reasons. On the SCO, Russia, China, India, Iran and Pakistan sit at the same table. The Eurasia focus of the SCO can easily be transplanted into BRICS+. Both organizations are “Global Globe”-centered; driving towards multipolarity; and most of all, committed to de-dollarization on all fronts.

    It is indeed possible to have a Sufi reading of all these geopolitical and geoeconomic tectonic plates in motion. As much as the promoters of Divide and Rule as well as assorted dogs of war would be clueless visiting the Naqshbandi complex outside of Bukhara, the “Global Globe” may find all the answers it seeks as it engages in a process of conversation and mutual respect.

    Bless these global souls – and may they find knowledge as if they were revisiting the Treasure of Wisdom of 10th century Bukhara.

    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/from-bukhara-to-brics-searching-for-light-in-the-darkness-of-insanity/

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    Post  gc3762 Thu Aug 24, 2023 4:57 am

    ⚡Argentina, Egypt, Ethiopia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, UAE - Invited to be FULL BRICS Members from Jan 2024

    Just In @RT_India_official

    MORE INFO:

    https://sputnikglobe.com/20230824/argentina-iran-saudi-arabia-egypt-uae-and-ethiopia-get-brics-membership-1112840923.html

    The Johannesburg-hosted BRICS summit is running from August 22 to 24, with the leaders of China, India, Brazil and South Africa in attendance. Russia is represented by Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, while Russian President Vladimir Putin is taking part in the event via videoconference.
    The new members of the BRICS will be Argentina, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, the United Arab Emirates and Ethiopia. They will become full members from January 1, 2024.
    South African President Cyril Ramaphosa said that BRICS leaders believe that the time has come to use local currencies and alternative payment systems.
    Earlier, South African Foreign Minister Naledi Pandor said that BRICS had agreed on the issue of enlargement, and adopted a document outlining its principles.
    BRICS unites the world's largest developing economies, namely, Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa. About two dozen other countries have expressed their interest in joining the club, South Africa's BRICS Sherpa Anil Sooklal said earlier this month.
    South African Foreign Minister Naledi Pandor speaks about the BRICS nations adopting key principles of the group's expansion. - Sputnik International, 1920, 23.08.2023
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    BRICS Countries Adopt Document Containing Principles of Enlargement

    The Johannesburg-hosted BRICS summit is running from August 22 to 24, with the leaders of China, India, Brazil and South Africa in attendance. Russia is represented by Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, while Russian President Vladimir Putin is taking part in the event via videoconference.
    Sputnik comes to you live as South African President and BRICS Chair, Cyril Ramaphosa, announces the outcomes of the 15th BRICS Summit at the Sandton Convention Centre in Johannesburg.
    Ramaphosa is expected to announce the names of countries that will be invited to join the BRICS group of nations as full members after BRICS leaders conclude their discussions on the issue.

    Earlier, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi voiced his support for expanding BRICS during his speech on the second day of the historic summit.
    President Vladimir Putin said that Russia, which will assume the rotating presidency of BRICS next year, will host the bloc's next summit in the city of Kazan in October 2024. Putin noted that the association of five nations, "has established itself as a respected entity on the international stage and has consistently strengthened its position in international affairs."


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    Post  GarryB Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:13 am

    Excellent news.

    An economic group that does not demand all members conform or be ruled over by one member...

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