Russia - Vietnam Military Deals

Isos wrote:400 million $ for a Gepard ?! I would never buy it for more than 100 million $, if not less. For such price they can get a brand new Grigorovitch with much better capabilities and real air def systems.

Isos wrote:Stop with Ukraine. Ukraine is not responsible for everything wrong in Russia.

This price has nothing to do with Ukraine. For such price Vietnam could even ask a nuclear propulsion.

That's a pathetic move from Russian corrupted shipyards. Vietnam will never buy them, specially that the first two pairs of Gepard they bought costed them someting like 120 million per ship.

They could see Vietnam turning its eyes on European ships and that would be fair game.

GarryB wrote:Keep in mind that the Russian Su-35 will be different from the export Su-35.

The Russian Su-35 is pretty much a test bed for a lot of equipment that will be used on the Russian PAK FA.

The export Su-35 may have quite a bit of less impressive technology fitted instead.

For the Vietnamese I suspect they were not impressed by the export model Su-35 because it was likely more expensive and had rather less in common with the aircraft they had already bought which reduces commonality and standardisation.

Vietnam received the first Yak-130 aircraft

George1 wrote:

Vietnam received the first Yak-130 aircraft

According to unofficial Vietnamese sources, on November 13, 2021, the first six Yak-130 combat training aircraft, out of 12 ordered for the air defense and air force of the Vietnamese People's Army, were delivered from Russia to the Vietnamese Fukat airfield (Quy Nhon, Binh Dinh province). Yak-130 were built Irkutsk Aviation Plant (IAP) PJSC "Corporation " Irkut "(part of the PJSC" United Aircraft Corporation "State Corporation Rostec) and were taken in Vietnam aboard the An-124-100 transport aircraft. The remaining six Yak-130s for Vietnam are said to be delivered in December.



Judging by the photographs, the first Yak-130 aircraft delivered to Vietnam has the tail number "2101". It is known that the aircraft under construction for Vietnam at the IAZ had serial numbers from 12/12/05/101 to 12/12/05/112.

Recall that in 2019, Vietnam signed a contract for the purchase of 12 Yak-130 combat training aircraft worth more than $ 350 million.Vietnam became the fifth foreign recipient of Yak-130 aircraft (excluding Belarus) - after Algeria (which received 16 aircraft), Bangladesh (16), Myanmar (14) and Laos (four).

According to unofficial Vietnamese publications,Yak-130 aircraft will enter service with the squadron of the 940th Training Aviation Regiment, which is being restored as part of the Air Defense and Air Force of the VNA, which is formed on the basis of the personnel of the 925th Fukat-based Fighter Aviation Regiment (equipped with Su-27SK / UBK fighters) of the 372nd Division Air Force and based at the Dong Kat airfield of the 910th training aviation regiment of the Officer School of the VNA Air Force Academy (equipped with L-39C training aircraft). Previously, the 940th fighter training regiment existed as part of the Officer School of the VNA Air Force Academy from 1979 to 2014 (from 1987 to 2005 it was called the 920th regiment), based on Fukat and being a retraining regiment for MiG-21 fighters, but in 2010 year was transferred to the 372nd Air Force Division and reorganized into a fighter aviation regiment, receiving Su-27SK / UBK fighters, and in 2014 renamed the 925th Fighter Regiment. It can be assumed that after the revival of the 940th regiment will now again perform tasks of increased flight training and retraining for fighters.




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Quite pricey $29m per aircraft. Zambia bought the Chinese L-15 for $15m per aircraft. And if u compare the yak-130 to L-15 the Chinese L-15 is faster by almost double, and price is at what checkmate has been touted to be. I do like the yak-130 but they should make a faster version and a dedicated combat version. Price needs to be competitive. Especially with long term loyal customers like Vietnam. It's maybe why yak-130 hadn't had big export sales ???

Mir wrote:

Quite pricey $29m per aircraft. Zambia bought the Chinese L-15 for $15m per aircraft. And if u compare the yak-130 to L-15 the Chinese L-15 is faster by almost double, and price is at what checkmate has been touted to be. I do like the yak-130 but they should make a faster version and a dedicated combat version. Price needs to be competitive. Especially with long term loyal customers like Vietnam. It's maybe why yak-130 hadn't had big export sales ???

Most sources I've seen gives the unit price at around $15m. $29 seems quite steep but it may include a larger package like service items and weapons. It can even be an "offset" deal where Vietnam can write off debt against the deal for instance. These deals are not always crystal clear.

miketheterrible wrote:Yak-130 is an expensive trainer. Reason why is its on board avionics mimics a lot of advanced jets.  The Chinese jet is simply that, a jet. A poor man's jet trying to be an all in one trainer and fighter. Nothing particularly  wrong per se but the issue is, up against a competent foe and that jet is useless.  The Yak-130 is designed to be preparing pilots to use more advanced planes that would completely destroy that Chinese jet and its pilots long before they even get to see what is coming.  These days, these kind of jets are fairly useless.  If you are doing bombing runs, then jets like Su-25's, A-10's and certain drones are better. If for air combat, plenty of dedicated jets for that that are way better.

A jet like this just doesn't have much room in real world besides as a way for African nations to give kickbacks to China in a way to say "thanks" for their investments.  And to make sure the Chinese continue to invest.

I guess in terms of like Syria, these may semi work. Just don't know how well.

There is a reason why these are dirt cheap. Not saying cheap is bad. But saying that it's probably rather basic.

Isos wrote:Well having a trainer jet that can do some work like hunting drones or droping dumb bombs is better than a jet that can just fly.

The integration of basic weapons like dumb bombs or IR missiles isn't costly, it only require pylons and basic launching devices on them. No need for battle management system or weapon computers... such weapons are used by the pilot directly.

Air forces usually have a lot of trainer aircraft, sometimes the same number as the number of real fighter which is good during a war. Number always matter.

Transforming a jet trainer into a real fighter with a radar, r-77, weapon management system, datalinks and other expensive stuff is stupid.

d_taddei2 wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:Yak-130 is an expensive trainer. Reason why is its on board avionics mimics a lot of advanced jets.  The Chinese jet is simply that, a jet. A poor man's jet trying to be an all in one trainer and fighter. Nothing particularly  wrong per se but the issue is, up against a competent foe and that jet is useless.  The Yak-130 is designed to be preparing pilots to use more advanced planes that would completely destroy that Chinese jet and its pilots long before they even get to see what is coming.  These days, these kind of jets are fairly useless.  If you are doing bombing runs, then jets like Su-25's, A-10's and certain drones are better. If for air combat, plenty of dedicated jets for that that are way better.

A jet like this just doesn't have much room in real world besides as a way for African nations to give kickbacks to China in a way to say "thanks" for their investments.  And to make sure the Chinese continue to invest.

I guess in terms of like Syria, these may semi work. Just don't know how well.

There is a reason why these are dirt cheap. Not saying cheap is bad. But saying that it's probably rather basic.

L-39 have done fairly well in Syria. And simple light aircraft are never and never will be capable of taking on aircraft such as Su-35 etc that's something everyone knows. I would add if a more fighter focussed version was designed it doesn't need to mimic characteristics of advanced aircraft/trainer, wouldn't take much for Russia to do such. But many countries either can't afford or don't need highly advanced aircraft such as su-35 etc. Hence those countries are looking for light attack aircraft, and I feel the yak-130 is a good design but could be tweaked to what the customer needs, sales are sales and getting a country to buy aircraft effectively keeps them a customer for years if not decades with parts maintenance and weapons, and also could open doors for other deals. Russia pretty much has a equipment for every need and every budget, off the top of my head I think they only they haven't covered is a attack turboprop aircraft like a super tucano, but that market is pretty much already dominated by the tucano. And although Russia has no requirement for such aircraft, doesn't mean they couldn't upgrade a yak-152 into such type of aircraft with not a lot of hassle, just like the yak-130 Russia has the experience and expertise to tweak aircraft without major issues. Russia could be doing better, and could be gaining sales, new customers, bigger deals, if it pushed alittle harder into some markets. and could very well challenge the Chinese venture into arms in Africa.

A light trainer jet would be useless against most drones because the drones would have too low a RCS for them to find them easily... in fact most of the time another drone would be a better solution to drones, or the Mi-28NM attack helo with modern Thermals and MMW radar sensors and air burst 30mm cannon shells.

d_taddei2 wrote:Qatar paid silly money for F-15, initially paid $293m ($21.1billion deal) each in a deal for 72 aircraft this included weapons, equipment and training, and then placed a further order for 36 F-15 each costing $333m each ($12 billion deal) So goes to show that countries dumb enough with money are happy to pay over the odds for equipment.

Broski wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:Qatar paid silly money for F-15, initially paid $293m ($21.1billion deal) each in a deal for 72 aircraft this included weapons, equipment and training, and then placed a further order for 36 F-15 each costing $333m each ($12 billion deal) So goes to show that countries dumb enough with money are happy to pay over the odds for equipment.

Qatar isn't stupid, what they paid for is the F-15 and a bribe to the empire all wrapped up in one deal. it's protection money.