Chinese aircraft carrier program

Isos wrote:No surprise. It just copies of US stuff after failing to copy soviet stuff.

They will end up buying one of the designs of Krylov after this thing fails all the tests.

walle83 wrote:

Isos wrote:No surprise. It just copies of US stuff after failing to copy soviet stuff.

They will end up buying one of the designs of Krylov after this thing fails all the tests.

Eh what, failing to do what?

This will be way more advanced then anything the Soviet ever managed to produce or anything that Russia will deploy in the next 15-20 years.

Isos wrote:

walle83 wrote:

Isos wrote:No surprise. It just copies of US stuff after failing to copy soviet stuff.

They will end up buying one of the designs of Krylov after this thing fails all the tests.

Eh what, failing to do what?

This will be way more advanced then anything the Soviet ever managed to produce or anything that Russia will deploy in the next 15-20 years.

They tried to copy kuznetsov/Su-33 combo and failed.

Now they copy f-35 and what seems to be a Nimitz class carrier.

If they failed with old simple soviet stuff I don't see how they will succeed with much more advanced carriers.

Chinese EMALS on carriers will work. U.K handed that tech to China, under the guise of selling a semi conductor company, plausible deniability of course

GarryB wrote:
This sort of shit is something that pisses me off.

Lets think logically for a few seconds... if the UK had working EMALS technology why aren't they using it themselves?

GarryB wrote:Why have they not shared it with the US?

Because they can't afford it. China's defence budget is 3 times that of the U.K and labour cost is 1/3 of what it is in the U.K.

U.S has already developed that tech, they don't need it.

GarryB wrote:
This is just bullshit trying to suggest an achievement like developing EMALS cats could not be done by the chinese, they could only do it by stealing western technology.... they pull that crap all the time and most of the time such shit sticks, but in this case when the UK can't build EMALS cats... they can't make them... not a question of affording them or not... they can't make them, so they built their carriers for the VSTOL version of the F-35 instead, so the chance of them handing EMALS technology to China is ZERO.

GarryB wrote:I am surprised at you defending that Sujoy... it is the same argument that India just copied the Brahmos from the Yakhont and just provided the money... I suspect they did rather more than just buy the bits... but even then that is different because Russia already had Onyx and Yakhont in operational service... the British do not have any EMALS cat system working.

To be fair, the UK had the option to buy it from the US but choose not to because of budget constraint. So the reason they have VSTOL on the QE class is relly a money thing

Apples and oranges. India never developed BRAHMOS. After the First Gulf War, the Indian armed forces realized that they need cruise missiles immediately. In 1998, India & Russia decided to set up a company called BrahMos Aerospace Limited that will be jointly owned by the governments of India & Russia.

Russia used the P-800 Oniks to develop BRAHMOS-1. The ramjet and seekers were all provided by Russia.

After India signed the MTCR treaty, India & Russia decided to develop a new generation of BRAHMOS with a range of 600 kms.

Neither India, nor Russia did anything that is illegal. Whereas the entire deal between UK and China for the sale of EMALS was illegal because there is currently an arms embargo that has been imposed on China by NATO member states that includes U.K.

When U.K's lie was exposed they said that they had no idea that the company they sold to China had the ability to develop EMALS.

China, has a long history of stealing military tech and that includes their latest effort of stealing military tech from the head of Russia’s Arctic Academy of Sciences.

China’s J-31 Stealth Fighter Just Became Carrier-Capable

Cina’s People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) might just have a new stealth fighter—and it’s carrier-capable.

A slew of photos posted to social media shed light on the PLAN’s newest and likely carrier-capable jet. The airplane, tentatively a Shenyang J-31 derivative (also known as the FC-31), appears broadly similar to its parent, though with several carrier-specific characteristics.

Anticipation prior to the new airplane’s debut ran high, with reports about the airplane circulating and the original J-31 circulating online.

The Chinese stealth fighter differs substantially from its larger and perhaps better-known counterpart, China’s Chengdu J-20. For starters, the J-31 is a considerably smaller aircraft, with a more conventional airframe, lacking the forward canards that the J-20 has.

It is suspected that the J-31 was initially intended for export, with the advantage of offering customers some lower-end fifth-generation fighter qualities without costing as much as premier fifth-generation platforms like the United States’ Joint Strike Fighter.

The J-31 bears more than a passing resemblance to the American Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II stealth fighter. Indeed, some reports have pointed to the Chinese plane’s similarities as evidence for Chinese F-35 program technology theft. Both aircraft feature a similar forward fuselage section, including a stealthily-contoured nose chine and engine intakes.

Since the original J-31 debuted at the 2012 China International Aviation & Aerospace Exhibition, at least one other plane variant has been produced. This second variant featured smoother lines, redesigned wing-tail configuration.

This latest J-31 variant, known from photographs, differs substantially from the previous two J-31 variants. However, two crucial points indicate that it is carrier-capable. First, it has a larger, more robust pair of wheels to support the stresses of carrier operations. In addition, its catapult launch bar is also evidence of carrier landing capabilities. And last but not least, the newest J-31 appears to have folding wingtips and tail tips, giving the airplane a smaller footprint for carrier operations.

The People’s Liberation Army Navy’s (PLAN’s) newest stealth fighter variant roughly coincides with the PLAN’s Type 003 aircraft carrier, which is expected to launch by 2022 and enter service around 2024. The carrier will be China’s third and most advanced, roughly the same size as the U.S. Navy’s enormous Gerald R. Ford-class carriers.


Though much remains unknown about the newest J-31 variant, the airplane is notable as just the second carrier-capable stealth aircraft and the first in Asia. The new aircraft may end up flying alongside the J-15, a Chinese-made copy of Russia’s Sukhoi Flanker, thought to be an unreliable and accident-prone flyer.

Coupled with a new and domestically built aircraft carrier, China’s power projection capabilities are expanding.

Satellite images show that China would be close to completing the construction of its third aircraft carrier

Analysts of a' think thank ' estimate that the ship will be launched in a period of 3 to 6 months, although it will not reach its initial operational capacity for a few years.

Satellite images obtained by the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), a Washington-based think tank, show that China would be close to completing construction work on its third Chinese aircraft carrier, named Type 003.

According to the images of a commercial satellite captured on October 23, two large openings in the deck of the ship, which is in the Jiangnan shipyard in Shanghai, were sealed between September 18 and that date. This suggests that the installation of the ship's main internal components, such as the engine and power plants, has already been completed.

Analysts also noted that the construction of other large elements, including the catapult take-off system, is nearing completion. They explained that the addition of a catapult launch system will allow the Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy to launch planes with heavier cargoes and more fuel compared to the first two aircraft carriers in its fleet, Liaoning and Shandong.

Experts indicate that throughout 2021 there was "steady progress in the construction" of the new vessel. "Based on the available information and progress observed in Jiangnan, the authors estimate that Type 003 will be launched within 3 to 6 months," reads the CSIS report.

However, the report underlines that the "technical challenges of building a modern aircraft carrier could lengthen this schedule" and estimates that the Type 003 will take several years to reach its initial operational capacity.

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https://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/410036-imagenes-satelitales-mostrar-china-completar-portaviones-meses

But yes all credit to the Chinese for their impressive carrier program!

Is China about to complete its third aircraft carrier?

Satellite images of the Chinese shipyard of Jiangnan captured on October 23 of this year reveal that the installation of the main external components of the third aircraft carrier of the Asian country is about to be completed. The ship, commonly known as Type 003, could set sail in the coming months.

Photographs published by the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) show that in recent weeks the visual appearance of the Type 003 has undergone significant changes. For example, between 18 September and 23 October, the two large openings on the ship's deck were sealed. These spaces allowed large internal components, such as engines and power plants, to enter the hull. Its closure suggests that the initial installation of the main internal components has been completed. However, the rear opening is not yet completely flush with the rest of the platform.

According to the American Think Tank, other important components of the aircraft carrier are about to be completed, including the ship's catapults, which will help launch the aircraft. One of the bow catapults remains covered by environmental protectors, indicating that workers are still installing and testing the system. The second bow catapult is not yet covered by environmental shields, but will be once installation and testing begin. In addition, work is under way (under the environmental protectors) on a third catapult on the port side of the ship, which will be behind the two forward catapults.

The inclusion of catapults in the Type 003 is a major step forward for the Chinese Navy. The Asian country's two aircraft carriers, Liaoning and Shandong, use less advanced take-off systems similar to ski jump platforms. The new Type 003 catapult assisted take-off launch system (CATOBAR) will allow fixed-wing aircraft with heavier payloads and more fuel to be launched, as well as larger aircraft with a lower weight-to-thrust ratio. Most CATOBAR systems run on steam, but it is widely rumored that China has developed an electromagnetic launch system similar to that developed for the new class of Gerald R. Ford aircraft carrier from the US.

CSIS further explains that while significant progress has been made on the Type 003, there are a number of signs to watch out for before the carrier slips into the waters of the Yangtze River. In particular, the ship's two starboard elevators, which will move the aircraft between the inner bay of the hangar and the flight deck, have not yet been installed.

In the coming weeks, radars may also be installed on the ship's island and weapons systems may be moved to its platforms. These steps could be completed after launch, but it is generally easier to install larger platforms while a ship is on the dry dock, where workers can take advantage of large gantry cranes. Before launch, the large hull blocks of a container ship behind the carrier must be removed.

Based on the information available and the progress observed in Jiangnan, CSIS estimates that Type 003 will be launched in about three to six months. However, the technical challenges of building a modern aircraft carrier could extend this schedule. Even after launch, it will be years before the Type 003 enters service and reaches initial operational capacity.
The US Department of Defense had predicted that the third Chinese aircraft carrier would enter service in 2023, but the agency's latest assessment estimates that it will enter service in 2024.

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https://mundo.sputniknews.com/20211112/china-esta-a-punto-de-completar-su-tercer-portaviones--fotos--1118165380.html

Arrow wrote:And not Russia?  They are building a lot of NPP in the world.They have NPP based on fast reactors.  BN 800 and soon BN 1200 reactors. They are developing many modern concepts of a fast neutron reactor.  They have perfectly developed VVER standard reactors.