Russian Τank Βiathlon

Possible, but unlikely nonetheless. T-14 will still be in testing at the time.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Mike E wrote:

sepheronx wrote:I was going to say.  Russia should send in some T-90A's for its competition.  Or maybe keep the T-72B3M's and if it proves as effective as the others, may make a big boost for export.

T-90A's only use the 1000 hp engine though... B3M's are great mobility wise, but lack an advanced FCS. That is where Kalina and the AM come in.

Unless wild T-14's appear.

Not sure if they will risk still untested and serial produced T14 to break in the mid of track, if they do bring something new i guess it would be T90MS (well, what they dubbed as T90MS for export).

Serbians did great job considering what they work with at home and how much resources they have at their disposal.

"Tank biathlon 2014" in Russia, Alabino:

Tank biathlon is a mechanized military sport invented by the Russian Military. A regional stage of the 2017 Tank Biathlon international contest started on March 12 in Russia's Far Eastern Khabarovsk territory. See the T-72B tanks in action racing and firing shells — in this photo gallery by TASS.

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The Far East stage of the competition "Tank biathlon-2017" in Khabarovsk. First day starts

The best tankmen of the Eastern Military District were identified at the competitions "Tank Beatle-2017" in Khabarovsk. On March 12, at the training center "Knyaz-Volkonsky" in Khabarovsk Krai, the district stage of the competitions of crews of combat vehicles "Tank biathlon-2017" started. The best crews of combat vehicles from all over the Eastern Military District took part in the competition.

Servicemen from Transbaikal, Primorsky Krai, Amur, Sakhalin regions and the Republic of Buryatia compete in the accuracy and speed of the route. The best crew will be represented by the Eastern Military District at All-Russian competitions.

1. After the opening ceremony and the welcome words of the acting President. Commander-in-Chief of the VVO troops, the mayor of Khabarovsk and the priest, the crews began preparing tanks for an individual race.



2. Combat vehicles this year have not changed - tanks T72-B is the main for all stages of the competition, up to international. The main emphasis this year was placed on the training of new military athletes. Three years in the "tank biathlon" the best became the crews from the Far Eastern parts. Therefore, the organizers decided to give a chance to other tank-men.

3. On the first day of the competition, 7 crews representing combined arms units stationed in the Sakhalin Oblast, the Trans-Baikal Territory and the Republic of Buryatia fought for the victory in the Individual Race.



4. As a result of the speeches, an individual rating of each tank crew's performances will be drawn up, as well as a team rating of platoons' speeches. In total, the event will be attended by 15 best crews, three from each combined military unit of the Eastern Military District.

5. The "Individual Race" is held on a 14-kilometer route and includes natural and artificial obstacles, combat tracks and shooting areas.

Crews start with an interval of 1-2 minutes. At the same time, no more than three tanks can be on the route at the same time. During the course of the race, the participants overcome the escarp, slope, comb, fire strip, breadboard bridge model, anti-tank ditch with a passage, a track in a mine-blasting fence, a snow-covered field.

Tankmen will perform firing from tank guns. On the first round, three targets must be hit at ranges of 1600, 1700 and 1800 meters. On the second circle it is executed from an anti-aircraft machine gun to strike a helicopter target at a distance of 800-1000 meters with 15 cartridges.

At the final, third round, the participants of the competition will shoot from the twin machine gun on the target, indicating the enemy's RPG. To defeat the crew has 15 rounds, 5 of which with tracer bullets.


















































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Tank biathlon contest kicks off in Russia

The seven best crews of T-72B3 tanks and six mechanized infantry platoons in BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles will vie for the right to represent Russia at the 2017 International Army Games

VOLGOGRAD, June 5. /TASS/. An army contest dubbed "Tank Biathlon" and "Suvorov Onslaught" kicked off today at a range in the Volgograd Region as part of the 2017 International Army Games, Russia’s Southern Military District’s press service told TASS today.

"The Tank Biathlon and Suvorov Onslaught army contests have started at the Prudboy Range in the Volgograd Region today. Over 200 soldiers showcased their skills at the games’ opening ceremony held at the country’s best range - Prudboy. Over 50 combat vehicles took part in the ceremony," the report said.

The opening ceremony showed maneuver and combat capabilities of the Su-24 and Su-25SM aircraft, as well as the Mi-35 and Mi-8AMTSh helicopters, that fired unguided rockets at the mock-up ‘enemy’ targets and conducted tactical landing operations. The BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles, T-90S tanks, 2S19 ("Msta-S") self-propelled howitzers and Tornado-G multiple rocket launchers displayed their combat capabilities at the opening ceremony.

The seven best crews of T-72B3 tanks and six mechanized infantry platoons in BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles will vie for the right to represent Russia at the 2017 International Army Games. Representatives from the Eastern, Central, Western and Southern Military Districts, as well as representatives from the Northern Fleet, the Airborne Forces and the Kazan Military Training Center came to the Volgograd Region to take part in the opening ceremony.

The International Army Games will be held at 22 ranges in Russia, Belarus, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and China for 14 days of continuous contests from July 29 to August 12. This year’s games will feature an expanded amount of military experts competing in professional skills. Five new paramilitary disciplines will be added to the last year’s 23 disciplines, which include a military police contest dubbed "Guardian of Order," "Military Rally" contest for military vehicle crews, "CIS Warrior" match for servicemen who are members of the Commonwealth of Independent States, contests for unmanned aerial vehicles’ coordination and a match for the best military car inspector dubbed "Road Guard."


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Тhey are serious:?: ...

What tank will use Russians against EU and US teams...maybe T-14 armata....rest are far behind NATO tanks in any way...only armata have state of the art FCS, T-90A have good one, rest have bad or dont have it at all...

You must be joking. T-72B3 shares similar FCS as early T-90 or newer. Jesus Christ man.

http://www.military-today.com/tanks/t72b3.htm

miketheterrible wrote:You must be joking. T-72B3 shares similar FCS as early T-90 or newer. Jesus Christ man.

http://www.military-today.com/tanks/t72b3.htm

Forgive him. He is most likely present on Serbian military forums, majority of which always repeat same claim that "T-72B has no FCS". That repetitive story came from missinterpreting words of people that some years back used to post on paluba-info forum about differences between T-72M and M-84 FCS and general optronic suite. Which truly are numerous.

So people today here very often try to claim that T-72 series in general has no automation regarding aiming whatsoever. Which is not the complete reality for post T-72A Soviet variants that saw fielding of 1А40. You will also notice these people because they say "it has no FCS", meanwhile forgetting what FCS means. Fact that many functions that were automated on Yugoslavian DNSS-2 required manual labor on T-72 variants doesnt mean they had no FCS. Let alone fact that Yugoslavia would never reach maturity we had in FCS for M-84 without major help from few key imported components and joint projects with Bofors, so they are still boasting how that FCS is some kind of miracle, which it really isnt, it was adequate for the era, and thats about it. Sure it was a major acomplishment for Yugo industry.

Also somehow they all seem to skip the fact that today majority of T-72Bs in service use 1V528-1M ballistic computer and 1A42 FCS and its derivates, which are all fully automated same as Yugoslavian DNSS-2 was.

No disrespect for posters but second-third hand posts by people that saw something somewhere.

Militarov wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:You must be joking. T-72B3 shares similar FCS as early T-90 or newer. Jesus Christ man.

http://www.military-today.com/tanks/t72b3.htm

Forgive him. He is most likely present on Serbian military forums, majority of which always repeat same claim that "T-72B has no FCS". That repetitive story came from missinterpreting words of people that some years back used to post on paluba-info forum about differences between T-72M and M-84 FCS and general optronic suite. Which truly are numerous.

So people today here very often try to claim that T-72 series in general has no automation regarding aiming whatsoever. Which is not the complete reality for post T-72A Soviet variants that saw fielding of 1А40. You will also notice these people because they say "it has no FCS", meanwhile forgetting what FCS means. Fact that many functions that were automated on Yugoslavian DNSS-2 required manual labor on T-72 variants doesnt mean they had no FCS. Let alone fact that Yugoslavia would never reach maturity we had in FCS for M-84 without major help from few key imported components and joint projects with Bofors, so they are still boasting how that FCS is some kind of miracle, which it really isnt, it was adequate for the era, and thats about it. Sure it was a major acomplishment for Yugo industry.

Also somehow they all seem to skip the fact that today majority of T-72Bs in service use 1V528-1M ballistic computer and 1A42 FCS and its derivates, which are all fully automated same as Yugoslavian DNSS-2 was.

No disrespect for posters but second-third hand posts by people that saw something somewhere.

Interesting, i wonder if you could delve more into the T-72M/M1, i watched many documentaries on these tanks in Iraq, but non seem to delve into the FCS of the Iraqi army, be it T-72 or BMP-1.

They have great FCS and they missed how many times on that biathlon targets who didnt move......Fuck yeah Russian FCS is best in fking world....

And man who work on DNSS-2 dont know what he is talking about at all.....

Did u serve on tank in real life or u have friends who told u all staf u know...just like u sad last year that Serbian crew was thrilled wiht T-72B3 tank....

So now you are basing off of pure fallacy?

Actually, I think part of the biathlon is not using auto targeting and aiming but relying on skills of tankers in manual mode. But of course, you are right. Stupid Fucking Ruskies build state of the art equipment but forgets to install it on their main tanks. Give them thermal optics and all but forget to give an FCS.

Fuck you are stupid.

AlfaT8 wrote:

Militarov wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:You must be joking. T-72B3 shares similar FCS as early T-90 or newer. Jesus Christ man.

http://www.military-today.com/tanks/t72b3.htm

Forgive him. He is most likely present on Serbian military forums, majority of which always repeat same claim that "T-72B has no FCS". That repetitive story came from missinterpreting words of people that some years back used to post on paluba-info forum about differences between T-72M and M-84 FCS and general optronic suite. Which truly are numerous.

So people today here very often try to claim that T-72 series in general has no automation regarding aiming whatsoever. Which is not the complete reality for post T-72A Soviet variants that saw fielding of 1А40. You will also notice these people because they say "it has no FCS", meanwhile forgetting what FCS means. Fact that many functions that were automated on Yugoslavian DNSS-2 required manual labor on T-72 variants doesnt mean they had no FCS. Let alone fact that Yugoslavia would never reach maturity we had in FCS for M-84 without major help from few key imported components and joint projects with Bofors, so they are still boasting how that FCS is some kind of miracle, which it really isnt, it was adequate for the era, and thats about it. Sure it was a major acomplishment for Yugo industry.

Also somehow they all seem to skip the fact that today majority of T-72Bs in service use 1V528-1M ballistic computer and 1A42 FCS and its derivates, which are all fully automated same as Yugoslavian DNSS-2 was.

No disrespect for posters but second-third hand posts by people that saw something somewhere.

Interesting, i wonder if you could delve more into the T-72M/M1, i watched many documentaries on these tanks in Iraq, but non seem to delve into the FCS of the Iraqi army, be it T-72 or BMP-1.

Iraqis had number of Object 172M/E1s (for non-Warshaw pact allies), only real difference tho was E1 was in NBC protection, they had paralax rangefinders, which from you insert your readings manually. Major issue was they couldnt measure distance on ranges shorter than 1100m due to nature of split-image.

What we normally call T-72M these days had laser rangefinder on TPD-2/49 sight, and it was transfering range directly into FCS, it could measure from 500 to 4000 or so m, and you could measure range 10 times though period of 1 minute (its all theoretical tho, laser can disperse in certain conditions so you wont measure shit, you wont ever hear that from online warriors tho, in their mind stuff always works). Max magnification is 8x for optical (daylight channel) and i 5,5x for night (IR TPN-1), tho it wasnt really useful on ranges longer than 800m at night with decent moonlight. It required you to manually enter data on what type of shell are you using, temperature, moisture and side wind.



However what you need to know is that no T-72 model was ever produced with no changes compared to other customers or domestic production, you had basically same nomenclature tanks with minor changes, be it FCS, be it radio equipment... its very hard to draw a line.

Fully automated FCS is not wonder solution, experienced gunner can compensate for temperature and wind on the go very quickly, yes it is demanding but its not undoable.

galicije83 wrote:They have great FCS and they missed how many times on that biathlon targets who didnt move......Fuck yeah Russian FCS is best in fking world....

And man who work on DNSS-2 dont know what he is talking about at all.....

Did u serve on tank in real life or u have friends who told u all staf u know...just like u sad last year that Serbian crew was thrilled wiht T-72B3 tank....

So you know that they missed due to FCS? Or no.. you actually dont. There is about 1000 and 1 reason why you can miss target. FCS as itself can and does not have to be the reason, solution of fire control system itself doesnt have to be put to blame either. So you switched from "it has no FCS" to "Its bad", interesting.

No, i served in Air Defence.

And i have 0 reason to explain you from where or how i know things. But i do.

miketheterrible wrote:So now you are basing off of pure fallacy?

Actually, I think part of the biathlon is not using auto targeting and aiming but relying on skills of tankers in manual mode.  But of course, you are right. Stupid Fucking Ruskies build state of the art equipment but forgets to install it on their main tanks. Give them thermal optics and all but forget to give an FCS.

Fuck you are stupid.

Even with fully automated FCS crew can be blamed for many misses, inexperienced driver very often ruins shots for an example, gunner with shaky hands can "miss-laser" target (i just made up word) which can cause miss of catastrophic proportions.

Preparation for "Tank Biathlon 2017"


T-72 and T-72BME tanks before the rehearsal of the international stage of the contest The Biathlon Tank Army International Games -2017 in Alabino






Members of the Indian team before the rehearsal of the international stage of the contest Tank biathlon of the Army international games 2017 in Alabino



A soldier of Angola before the start of the rehearsal of the international stage of the contest Tank biathlon of the Army International Games - 2017 in Alabino



The crew of the Kuwait tank before the rehearsal of the international stage of the contest Tank Biathlon of the Army International Games -2017 in Alabino


A member of the Chinese team before the rehearsal of the international stage of the contest Tank biathlon of the Army International Games 2017 in Alabino


Members of the Nicaraguan team after the draw of the international stage of the contest Tank biathlon of the Army International Games 2017 in Alabino


Members of the Venezuelan team after the draw of the international stage of the contest Tank biathlon of the Army international games 2017 in Alabino


Team of Kazakhstan before the rehearsal of the international stage of the contest Tank Biathlon of the Army International Games-2017 in Alabino


Servicemen of Mongolia before the rehearsal of the international stage of the contest Tank Biathlon of the Army International Games-2017 in Alabino


A soldier of Iran before the rehearsal of the international stage of the contest Tank Biathlon of the Army International Games-2017 in Alabino


The team of Belarus before the rehearsal of the international stage of the contest Tank Biathlon of the Army International Games-2017 in Alabino

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Tank biathlon kicks off at Alabino Range in Moscow Region

The competition started with a race of the first four crews from Uganda, Tajikistan, Angola and Laos

ALABINO RANGE, July 29. /TASS/. The Tank Biathlon international competition has kicked off at the Alabino Range, Moscow Region, on Saturday, as part of the 2017 International Army Games. The competition started with a race of the first four crews from Uganda, Tajikistan, Angola and Laos, the Games’ organizing committee reported.

"Teams from Laos and Uganda are taking part in the Tank Biathlon for the first time," the organizing committee said, noting that all these crews were using Russian battle tanks T-72B3.

This day’s program will end with a race of crews from Azerbaijan, Kuwait, Mongolia and China. The crews from the first three countries will operate Russian tanks, whereas the Chinese crew will operate its Type-96B tank.

These races are part of the Individual Race stage in which 55 crews from 19 countries will take part: Russia, Azerbaijan, Angola, Armenia, Belarus, Venezuela, Zimbabwe, India, Iran, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, China, Kuwait, Laos, Mongolia, Nicaragua, Serbia, Tajikistan and Uganda. The general rating will be formed on the basis of the Individual Race results. The first three crews will become the prizewinners in the Best Crew nomination. The sum of the three results shown by these crews from each country will determine 12 teams that will proceed to the next stage of the completion, the Relay Race.

The semi-final races will take place on August 8-10. The four best teams will be chosen by the results of the semi-finals to compete in the final that will be held on the Games’ closing day, August 12.

The first Russian crew will enter the struggle for the Games’ trophies on July 30. Crews from Serbia and Kyrgyzstan will take part in the race together with the Russian crewmen, the Games’ organizing committee reported.


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Four best teams qualify for Tank Biathlon’s final stage

A total of 19 teams have taken part in the competition

ALABINO RANGE, August 11. /TASS/. Russian tankmen will perform in the Tank Biathlon’s final race on a red tank and a red carpet on the closing day of the International Army Games, the games’ press center told TASS.

"The official representatives of the teams drew lots for the carpet colors and the ways of passing the routes by the tank crews. According to the draw, at 17:00, on the closing day of the 2017 International Army Games, the Russian tankmen will perform in the final race on a red carpet," the press center said.

The Belorussian tank-men will perform on a green carpet, Kazakhstan’s crew on a blue carpet and China’s crew on a yellow one.

A total of 19 teams from Azerbaijan, Angola, Armenia, Belarus, Venezuela, Zimbabwe, India, Iran, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, China, Kuwait, Laos, Mongolia, Nicaragua, Russia, Serbia, Tajikistan and Uganda have taken part in the Tank Biathlon competition. Four best teams qualified for the competition’s final.

Russia and Kazakhstan are performing on Russian-made T-72B3 tanks. China’s team is performing on its Type-96B tank, and Belarus on a modernized T-72.


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Russian team wins Tank Biathlon final competition

The Kazakhstan’s team finished second followed by Chinese team

KUBINKA /Moscow region/, August 12. /TASS/. Russia’s team has won the final Tank Biathlon race in Alabino (Moscow region), the Russian Defense Ministry told reporters on Saturday.

"The Russian military servicemen have won the final race of the Tank Biathlon with a total result of 1 hour 30 minutes 43 seconds followed by Kazakhstan’s team (1 hour 45 minutes 41 seconds)," the ministry said.

The Chinese team, which covered the distance within 1 hour 46 minutes 50 seconds finished third, while Belarus was the fourth (1 hour 48 minutes 40 seconds).

The Army Games closing ceremony will be held in Alabino, in the Moscow region, on Saturday, August 12.


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Tank crew of Eastern Military District wins Tank Biathlon competition

The finals of the Tank Biathlon all-army competition took place in the Amur region. The team of the Eastern Military District won the competition in the difficult struggle. The Kazan Higher Tank Command School took the second place, and the Central Military District’s team were at the third place.

During the final relay race, tank crew of the Eastern Military District passed the route in 1 hour 51 minutes 21 seconds with a minimum number of errors.

The team is made up of tank crews of a formation station in the Republic of Buryatia. It will represent Russia at the International Army Games 2018.

The award ceremony is to be held on May 25 of this year at the training ground of the Far Eastern Higher Combined Arms School.



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"Tank biathlon" in Buryatia



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Female crews on T-80UE-1 tanks will take part in tank biathlon




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