RUSSIA - INDIA Military Contracts

sepheronx wrote:India is really doing its part to get rid of Russia as a partner. Buying the planes from Uzbekistan? Really? And are considering the F-16 proposal from US. Is Modi a US puppet?

I would say yes. All deals are contra to what india needs or addressed to be their goal, to be an independent, selfrelient, arms developer and have made loud remarks that by buying equipment from russia is counter productive but now getting more and more a bitch of US that are örone to have strings attatched (political and military technology limits in use or upgrade wirh long term contracts exceeding anything other countries ask for.

I don't think modi is an indian man bit 5th columnist a vassal.

An official statement from India's Defence Ministry states that on Indian arms imports, Russia is, by some distance, India's biggest defence partner. Between 2012 and 2015, Moscow supplied India with military equipment worth over five billion dollars. The USA ranks second, with exports to India worth $4.4 billion.

The situation is practically the same with arms contracts. Out of India's 67 arms contracts with other countries, 18 are with Russia, 13 with USA, and six with France. This clearly indicates that claims by Western analysts that Russia is losing its market share in India, that cooperation between Delhi and Moscow is becoming less important, that the Indian army no longer needs Russian weapons, and so on, are just the latest in their series of canards.

Unsurprising surprises

On the other hand, the Indian Defence Ministry's statement, that Russian arms and military equipment manufacturers occupy the primary position in the Indian arms market, held no surprises for Russian analysts.

More than 70% of the tanks, self-propelled guns, multiple launch rocket systems, fighter aircraft, bombers, attack aircraft, airborne early warning and control aircraft, helicopters, aircraft carriers, frigates, nuclear and diesel-electric submarines, missile boats and coastal defence system equipment used by India's army, air force and navy have been made in Russia or the Soviet Union. Around 40% of the Indian army's military equipment today has been made in Russia or assembled locally under a Russian licence. That proportion rises to 80% in the air force, and 75% in the navy.

Therefore, claims that Russia is losing out in the Indian market is either a sign of incompetence or a deliberate falsehood. Equally, however, it would be folly to pretend that Russia has a monopoly in India's defence cooperation with other countries. That is not, and has never been, the case, and has never been sought. Not by New Delhi, nor by Moscow.

When the Western media gloatingly chides Russia for losing a contract to supply Delhi with attack helicopters, they conveniently forget or ignore that, prior to this, India bought 150 Mi-17V-5 transport helicopters from Russia, that it intends to produce 200 Ka-226T Russian light helicopters at its factories, and that it is interested in Russian S-400 and Tor-M2KM anti-aircraft weapon systems, Pantsir-S1 surface-to-air missile system and other offensive and defensive hardware.

The principled and ambitious objectives that India's leaders have set its army and defence industry are another matter. One of those principles is to diversify its defence procurement and put an end to its dependence on any single country, even one as friendly, open and responsible as India's partner of many years, Russia. The second principle being insisted upon and actively promoted by India's Prime Minister Narendra Modi is not to buy military hardware abroad, but to produce it locally, according to its ‘Make in India’ programme.


Nothing wrong with wanting


Putting both principles into practice is not easy. Delhi, however, is managing reasonably well with the first principle. The fact that it has a number of arms contracts with the USA and France, as well as with Germany, Israel and even Brazil speaks for itself. The same goes for the contracts won by Russia’s competitors. But implementation of those contracts has not always met the requirements laid out by the Indians in the tender process. The case of France's ‘Rafale’, a multirole fighter aircraft, is a particularly clear example here.

Russia is the only country in the world that has taken the ‘Make in India’ principle advocated by Prime Minister Modi as the bedrock for its defence cooperation with India.

Take the Su-30MKI, another multirole fighter aircraft. It was designed in Russia especially for India. And the letter "I" in its name specifically shows that. The aircraft, which has French, Israeli and Indian avionics on board, is produced in Indian plants under Russian licences and using Russian technologies. India's specialists have not yet completely familiarized themselves with it, and some of the aircraft's components are imported from Russia, but that proportion is decreasing with every year as India becomes one of the world's leading air powers.

It is a similar story with the T-90S tank. The vehicle was developed and built by Uralvagonzavod for supply to the Russian army. But India is now the primary customer. At the same time, India does not just buy the "Vladimir", as the T-90S is called in the forces, but also makes them at its own plants, again under a Russian licence, with some parts supplied by Russian factories for assembly in India. The Indian army already has about 350 T-90S tanks, and Delhi is reported to be planning to increase that number to 1500.

Not just assembly

The ‘Make in the India’ principle has been particularly clearly seen in the Indo-Russian supersonic missile ‘BrahMos’. This is being produced by India's Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO). Some components are being made by Mashinostroyenia, a defence research and manufacturing cooperation from Reutov, near Moscow, and the rest by the DRDO.



Techmash to produce ammunition with India

India has installed the missile on its Talwar-class frigates, which, incidentally, were also built in Russia, at the Severnaya Verf shipyard in Saint Petersburg and Yantar shipyard in Kaliningrad, and on its upgraded diesel-electric improved-kilo (Varshavyanka) class submarines. India is using them in its coastal defence system, and deploying it on its Tu-142 and Il-38SD aircraft. At present, a new, lighter and shorter version of the BrahMos missile for the Su-30MKI fighter aircraft is undergoing testing. Delhi is very proud of this, and intends to export it to third countries. India plans to build a hypersonic missile based on it, and Russian specialists are helping it with this as well.

Also, let us not forget the aircraft carrier Vikramaditya, upgraded for India from the Russian aircraft carrying cruiser Admiral Gorshkov, on which Russian MiG-29K/KUB fighter aircraft are deployed. Or the aircraft carrier Vikrant, built at Indian shipyards and undocked last year, which was designed at the Neva Design Bureau in Saint Petersburg, or the tender for the construction of a new aircraft carrier that Delhi has announced. Russia is competing with the USA and France to build the ship. Russian ships have one very important advantage; Russia is ready to provide India not only the aircraft carrier, but also the technology to build it.

And this, Russian specialists believe, is one of the key aspects of shipbuilding. They recall that the US has never shared its know-how with anyone. The weekly Defense News, a publication well known in military circles, has reported that Delhi and Washington recently discussed the possibility of cooperation in aircraft carrier technology, but sources in India's Ministry of Defence said no agreement had been reached. There are similar difficulties with the French, who, as far as we know, do not intend to share even the manufacturing processes for their Rafale fighter aircraft with Indian specialists, even though they are contractually obliged to do so. Russia, by contrast, is ready not only to build an aircraft carrier and transfer the necessary technology to India, but even to builod a ship-based version of the fifth-generation fighter aircraft on which Moscow and Delhi are currently working together. Furthermore, India already has the ship-based MiG-29K fighter, which it is ready to deploy not only on the Vikramaditya, but also on any other ship in its class.

Russia is the only country in the world that is leasing a multirole nuclear submarine (namely, the K-152 Nerpa (Project 971)) to another country (namely, India, which calls it the ‘Chakra’). Armed with torpedoes, it is considered one of the quietest submarines of its type. Our ally's sailors are using it not only for training purposes, but also to explore the possibility of building a similar vessel at their own shipyards. At the moment they also intend to lease another, similar nuclear submarine currently being built at the Amur Shipbuilding Plant.

Trust cannot be bought

There are numerous reasons for this unprecedented cooperation between Russia and India in the defence sector. One is that Moscow has had no serious conflicts with Delhi in over 60 years, whoever has been in government; conservatives, democrats or the Indian National Congress party. Russia has always had an open, mutually respectful and sincere relationship of friendship and trust. In sickness and in health, as the saying goes, the two countries have always been together. I am confident that this will continue to be the case.

Yes, we might fail to win this or that contract. For all sorts of reasons; because India wants to obtain and adopt arms from other countries, not just Russia, because it wants to avoid creating a monopoly and depending on a single supplier.... But what is important is not winning any particular contract, but the trend, and that is towards Indo-Russian cooperation now and in the future.


http://in.rbth.com/opinion/2016/03/24/making-russian-arms-in-india_578649

sepheronx wrote:India is really doing its part to get rid of Russia as a partner. Buying the planes from Uzbekistan? Really? And are considering the F-16 proposal from US. Is Modi a US puppet?

Where else are they supposed to buy Il-76s, if not from Uzbekistan? It's the only country that produces them.

The Aviastar plant in Ulyanovsk produces Il-476s.

The Il-76s they already have mean introducing a new aircraft would be expensive... it would improve performance but would be expensive.

For instance each of the new engines for the Il-476 cost about 6 million so for every aircraft that means an extra 24 million in costs just for engines... they can get a lot of fuel for 24 million dollars.

Of course if I was in their position I would fund an Il-96 for the role of AWACS... much more comfortable for the crew, lower drag and better cruise performance and longer range and lower operating costs and likely able to operate at higher altitudes.

there is a reason the west uses the 747 as an AWACS rather than a C-141... but not completely because the C-141 was crap.

I doubt Uzbekistan can produce IL-76 on its own. Maybe fuselage and wings.
Engines, avionics, hydraulics and most other equipment will still have to come from Russia.

So, even if (and it is a big IF) Tashkent (Uzbekistan) gets the order, the Russian contribution will still be predominant.

Russia Offers Verba MANPADS to India
By Tamir Eshel - Mar 26, 2016 [03.26.2016 19:31:33]

Pursuing the Indian requirement for a new very short range air defense weapon, the Russian arms exporter ‘Rosoboronexport’ debuts the latest Man Portable Air Defense System (MANPADS) 9K333 “Verba” at DEFEXPO-2016. The new weapon entered service with the Russian Army in 2014. It was first unveiled in public last year at Arms 2015 expo in Moscow. According to the Russian arms exporter, it is making its international debut this week.

“We are confident that the Verba will provoke interest of Indian militaries and our partners in South East Asia and other regions,” Sergei Goreslavsky, deputy director general of JSC Rosoboronexport said. Goreslavsky expects that, despite the introduction of the new missile, demand for its predecessor, Igla-S, will remain stable since it satisfies the requirements of armies in many countries. In November 2015 the system’s manufacturer KBM Scientific Production Concern completed the delivery of Verba equipment under the first contract awarded in 2013, including four brigade sets for the Army and four division sets for airborne troops.

The missile uses a new tri-band optical seeker, along with modern avionics and improved warhead activated by an adaptive contact/proximity fuze. The missile also uses a new solid rocket motor and heavier explosive charge, compared to its Igla-S predecessor. The missile can hit targets that move at speeds up to 500 m/s, at a distance of more than six kilometres, at altitude from ten to 4,500 meters.

The MANPADS boasts of enhanced capability of engaging small-size targets with low thermal signatures such as cruise missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles.

The Verba MANPADS can be also mounted on various land, maritime and airborne platforms. Joint employment of the 9M336 missiles of the Verba MANPADS, combat control set of equipment and launch modules makes it possible to build on their basis lightweight mobile close-in air defense missile systems, or to include these assets into existing air defence missile and artillery systems.

Verba is positioned to compete on the Indian Army requirement for Very Short Range Air Defence (VSHORAD) man-portable air defense (MANPAD) missile. The new missile looks like its predecessor, the Igla man-portable air-defense system (MANPAD) that is already used by Indian Army, but represents a major improvement in counter-countermeasures and engagement of small and illusive targets at low-level, such as cruise missiles, helicopters and drones.

http://defense-update.com/20160326_verba_defexpo.html

GarryB wrote:
there is a reason the west uses the 707 as an AWACS rather than a C-141... but not completely because the C-141 was crap.

fixed for you

TheArmenian wrote:I doubt Uzbekistan can produce IL-76 on its own. Maybe fuselage and wings.
Engines, avionics, hydraulics and most other equipment will still have to come from Russia.

So, even if (and it is a big IF) Tashkent (Uzbekistan) gets the order, the Russian contribution will still be predominant.

Uzbekistan is doing final assembly, as most of the aircraft does anyways. Its not like MiG produced all MiG29K parts on its own either, there are hundreds if not thousands of suppliers.

sepheronx wrote:Russia-India draft agreement on supply of S-400 missile systems ready — official

India may lease second nuclear submarine from Russia — official

Hopefully these deals actually happen, unlike most recent deals between the two countries.

I somehow hate this whole lease thingie regarding subs.

Russia will deliver its advanced President-S onboard defense systems (ODS) to Algeria, India and Belarus, the general director of Concern Radio-Electronic Technologies (KRET) said Wednesday.

KAZAN (Sputnik) — In mid-March, the Russian company said that the deliveries of the ODS to Egypt under the 2015 contract would begin in "coming days."

"We are supplying the President-S not only to Egypt. We have contracts with India, Algeria, Belarus. These are long-term agreements, part of the systems will be delivered later this year, partially they will be delivered in 2017 and 2018," Nikolai Kolesov told reporters without specifying details of the deals.


The ODS is designed to protect planes and helicopters from being hit by missiles, air defense and anti-aircraft artillery. The defense system is currently installed on the Ka-52, Mi-28 and Mi-26 helicopters.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20160406/1037556438/russia-defense-system-presidents.html#ixzz458pleysn

Militarov wrote:I somehow hate this whole lease thingie regarding subs.

Russia can't sell nuclear subs. Banned under international treaties that Russia is a signatory to.

jhelb wrote:

Militarov wrote:I somehow hate this whole lease thingie regarding subs.

Russia can't sell nuclear subs. Banned under international treaties that Russia is a signatory to.

I mean, i hate whole idea of leasing military equipment.

Militarov wrote:

jhelb wrote:

Militarov wrote:I somehow hate this whole lease thingie regarding subs.

Russia can't sell nuclear subs. Banned under international treaties that Russia is a signatory to.

I mean, i hate whole idea of leasing military equipment.

well dear you might hate this idea of leasing but this is very crucial asset of India and who else will lease to India then Russia

Mark my words here no deal of US jets being made in India will come true as these deals will come with lots of riders, like the saying the goes "The taste of the pudding is in eating not merely at looking at it"

Have a look at following links of US offer of fighter deal under make in India:

http://idrw.org/remember-boeings-make-in-india-f-18-offer-which-comes-with-rider-there-is-more-to-that/

Regrading the kamov helicopters deals here is the latest news


Russian Helicopter Company Takes Multi-Pronged Approach For India


http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/russian-helicopter-company-takes-multi-pronged-approach-for-india-1338698

SINGAPORE: A Russian helicopter company has taken a multi-pronged approach under the 'Make in India' initiative by planning to start a chopper production base and a long-term supply chain network in India.

Russian Helicopters, along with its main partner Hindustan Aeronautical Ltd (HAL), is elevating its strategic partnership in India to the next level with plans to work with a number of companies in the manufacturing and supply chain of helicopters and spare parts, said deputy chief executive officer Igor Chechikov.

"India is our strategic partner and we are working on a number of business plans to be a leading part of the 'Make in India' initiative," Mr Chechikov said in Singapore.

RH aims to finalise all discussions and configuration by end of this year to move to the implementation phase of the contract.

RH and HAL, maintaining their long-term partnerships, will select a number of new qualified partners to participate in the helicopter production, offering opportunities to innovators within the small and medium enterprises, said Mr Chechikov.

Additionally, RH and HAL are also discussing the supply of a number of new models of choppers to the Indian armed forces and Border Security Force, he said, underlining the importance of keeping RH's versatile brands on the forefront of the Indian market.

Mr Chechikov also elaborated on the long-term contract for maintenance covering aggregates and spare parts as well as training for personnel.

"Our proposals cover all segments of services to support the helicopter fleet in India," he said.

"We have high regards for the Indian armed forces professionals and their expertise. With this long-term contract, we aim to develop a schedule with them to support their helicopter services with a supply chain of an ever ready spare part stocks," he said.

The ongoing supply chain discussions are to factor in the pricing mechanism, delivery and manufacturing time for each spare part.

While highlighting the traditional and decades old Russia-India diplomatic relationship, Mr Chechikov stressed the need for RH to be market-oriented in a competitive environment, especially in India which has become "immensely attractive to foreign investors and suppliers".

"RH will work in tandem with the Indian market's need and be among the leading players in the manufacturing segment," he said.

so many S-400 deals.. it seems Indian Government is going crazy over deals .. deal after deal ... Some times DM says S-400 deal ..
 some times Akulas nuke sub + missiles and then BRICS banking deals.. it seems BRICS is part of U.S

Gaurav wrote:The photo-op of the visit could the signing of the first commercial agreement under the Indo-U.S. civil nuclear deal,
between the Westinghouse Electric and the Nuclear Power Corporation India Ltd(NPCIL), to build six nuclear reactors in Gujarat.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi will attend a dinner hosted by the U.S – India Business Council (USIBC) on June 7 that will bring together around 400 CEOs, investors and business leaders during his two-day visit to the U.S capital.

Indo U.S nuclear deal