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Go back to your cave, scumbag.

@Garry
What will it take to ban this racist ****?

The bribery in India's MoD is massive. I get that most think that the bribes they pay to the West for the western gear is to get India off the radar and shit list. But it never worked. Heck, even now the west in pushing hard against India and making all kinds of threats (Ukraine as well, which is hilarious, since what can Ukraine do to India?) With even as far as threatening sanctions. Yet even with the threats, they still go to India to demand them to stop buying Russian, stop supporting Russia, etc.

Reality is gonna bite Indias government in the ass eventually. Those token ripoff orders of Chinooks (Mi-26 is superior), the Apaches (Not bad helies but expensive as all hell and can get more Ka-52's instead), Rafales (Decent jets but Su-35 would have been better) won't actually help them and eventually may face issues with spare parts (happened before) if the west decides to play hard ball on India. Forcing India to look at Russia again.

Their game they played regarding the Su-57 itself was pathetic. They invested millions in a 10B program and claim half the jet is theirs but is poor design. Yet they themselves cannot even get a 4th gen jet off the ground and in a decent numbers or price (Tejas). Their ego and pride far exceeded their budget and needs and thus ended up with less while paying far more. If they decided to stick to PAK FA, they would have actual 5th gen jets flying now to compete against US and China (regardless how questionable their jets are).

It doesn't help that half their elite lives in western countries or is associated with westerns. Look at Rishi Sunak. His father in law is a Indian billionair and influences India. His son in law is PM of UK. That alone is a massive conflict of interest but Indians and brits alike don't see a problem. Point out to both sides how each other can influence one another to push policies that benefit one but not the other, and it flies over their heads.

Anyway, India hasn't exactly learned its lesson and I doubt ever will. They faced harsh sanctions and threats of nuclear war against them from the west and they still have a sense of servitude to the west. Maybe it's because they were damn near slaves to them for so long they forgot how to be independent? I don't know.

So Russia shouldn't expect to sell even 1 Su-75 to India. Instead, concentrate more on sales and support to nations like Algeria for the sale of the jet. Maybe also Myanmar and Bangladesh too. He'll, maybe Ethiopia too since they already have experience with sukhois.

Indians display these traits because they are people of colour. In fact most of these people of colour that you'll come across are involved in some sort of criminal misdemeanor. People of colour genetically pass on their criminal genes to their children.

White is a colour too.

Humans pass on traits via genes... white people pass on their genes to their children too and there are plenty of white criminals... in fact it could be argued that the most powerful criminals in the world are white people.

You can always tell nazis because they talk about others being criminals and the thread that links genes and criminality with skin colour because obviously they can then claim to not be a criminal and evil because they have the designated pure skin colour.

Criminality has more to do with culture and environment than genes. Theft is either acceptable or it isn't and that is culture and not genes.

These coloured people takes tremendous pride in committing crimes against White people and then define these actions as justified.

Why shouldn't they... they have started at a tremendous disadvantage because the international financial system rewards those who already have money and wealth... ie a small percentage of white people, who use that financial system to increase the gap between the rich and the poor... rich and poor don't have colour attached to them... there are plenty of poor white people around the place to prove it has nothing  to do with colour.

Self-centered, and oblivious to the needs of others, these coloured people like Indians are career criminal and lives by the simple motto of “me, me, me

Ironically those are the traits needed to become a billionaire... and have nothing to do with skin colour... most rich westerners are me me me people... you can't be a billionaire and a human being.

Essentially, these people believe that they have the right to commit any acts they desire, because life is all about them – all the time. India has caused billions of $$ of losses to Russia by stealing IPR.

Hahahaha... western companies have been stealing from the entire world the last few centuries and you blame India?

All those super high tech experiments in Europe like the Large Hadron Collider and other things like cooperation with NASA and Russia... the west provides the money and takes the credit for all the work and all the developments that create value... the products they can sell become western technology despite all the Chinese and Russian and even Indian names amongst the scientists who created it.

The west is a technology vampire... they truly are the borg... except without the charm and humanity of course.

Take this forum for instance - that double digit IQ Indian has created multiple accounts to force his point of view on others, while that single digit IQ Indian finds ways to demonize China with the intention of forcing forum members to believe that Russia is getting a raw deal in its dealings with China.

Russia knows what it is doing and so does China and India... and in most areas they get what they want... the world doesn't stand still... if you spend all your energy and time copying others then you never take the lead, but that is OK too.

Go back to your cave, scumbag.

The truth will set you free. He is entitled to his opinion and to express it, just as you are entitled to think he is wrong.

If I banned people for being racist they wouldn't stop being racist... they would just hide their racism... so anyone and everyone could be racist... you wouldn't know.

The temporary satisfaction of telling such people they are wrong and likely just scared does not last.

Ironically the talk about multiple accounts... I have the suspicion that Tolstoy and Jhelb are the same person...

Reality is gonna bite Indias government in the ass eventually.

The Chinese have realised they cannot please the west no matter what they do it will always be a problem... crack down on Covid and China is being authoritarian... loosen up the rules and they are threatening the world by helping to spread the disease... the Chinese government can do nothing right in the eyes of the west... so why even try?

The same for India and Russia... the world has to realise the west is the problem.

that's the thing Garry, Russia was first to learn the hard way about how the west does not want to work with them, but instead to destroy them. Russia did a good job at least broadcasting this to the rest of the world.

China was next in that they were always not trusting to the west but they used the recent events in Ukraine to really start to be rather antagonistic back to the US because, I believe, that China was more worried about being separate from the rest of the world on this movement away and against the west.

India on the other hand thinks it can still sit comfortably on two chairs. And while it has paid off quite a bit on short term, in long term it is starting to show its problems and it will take a long time for India to adjust and fix what they may lose out on in their purchases and dependencies with the west. Their idea is that they think that they can be the next China in that the west will pump money into them. The west wont do that anymore; pump money into one nation. Instead they are spreading out their investments and actually reeling it back into their own countries.

India has tunnel-vision over its conflict with China, but its thinking vis-a-vis the West is really rather more short term. They want technology transfers from them, military hardware, and sure whatever investments and outsourcing they can get too. This is why they're still part of the Quad, as well as to shore up against China's military and economic power.
But it doesn't mean they will let anyone dictate their relations with Russia, or their relations with anyone else. Their ties with Washington are transactional, and so far it has been working out well for them.

They are trying to ride the same investment wave China took to their current position... but that wave was generated by the west who now realises their mistake and wont be making it again to create China number two in the form of India.

The work India puts in to trying to work with the US and her bitches could be applied to having decent relations with China and they will save having to buy trillions of dollars of US crap... you can bet your arse the US will start to claim India needs new aircraft carriers to match China and they have several they are not fully using that India can buy as long as they buy the F-35s and other aircraft that go with them.

Hawkeyes would be valuable aircraft even on land, but putting F-35s even on old carriers will be 30-40 billion and a noose around Indias neck because next time it comes to purchase S-400s or S-800s the US can say they will stop supporting those Indian carrier groups and they become 30-40 billion dollars of shit.

But India needs to learn that lesson for itself I guess...

In Russia contracts come first They must have enough systems to hand in Ukraine.

"Russian S-400 Production Leaves the West Astonished: Moscow Supplies Delhi with Advanced Air Defense Systems"

In a remarkable turn of events, Military Watch Magazine has reported that Moscow has successfully delivered S-400 long-range air defense systems to Delhi. This weapon system, considered unparalleled on the global stage, is being produced by Russia at a speed that surpasses the combined production capabilities of all NATO countries.

The S-400's reputation is further enhanced by its advanced capabilities in countering stealth aircraft, alongside its unique ability to simultaneously engage ballistic and cruise missiles, bombers, and fighter aircraft. With a maximum detection range of an astounding 600 kilometers, it has become a coveted asset on the international stage.

Source: Slavyangrad

India to receive Russian-made warships despite sanctions – Bloomberg, 04.06.2024.

The production of the vessels had been delayed due to Ukraine-related supply chain issues.

The Indian Navy is set to receive two Russian-built warships following long delays linked to Ukraine sanctions that hindered the delivery of the vessels, Bloomberg reported on Friday, citing unnamed officials in New Delhi.

One of the vessels is likely to be delivered to India in September and another will arrive early next year, according to the report.

The ships are stealth-guided-missile frigates of the class Project 11356M, built with hulls previously used in the Admiral Grigorovich-class Project 11356R, which was initially intended for the Russian Navy. The vessels are part of a four-ship deal between Moscow and New Delhi that was signed in 2018. The other two ships will be built in India, in collaboration with Russia.

Russia is roughly two years behind schedule with the delivery of the frigates. Their production was delayed due to issues related to the Ukraine conflict, in particular, to the supply of gas turbines manufactured in Ukraine.

Trade between Kiev and Moscow ground to a halt in the aftermath of the Western-backed coup in Kiev and subsequent accession of Crimea to Russia in 2014, and the turbines have been impossible to acquire. However, according to Bloomberg’s sources, India eventually bought the turbines via a third country.

According to earlier media reports, the production of the frigates was completed last year, and the ships have since been undergoing mooring and other trials in Russia’s Kaliningrad Region.

Bloomberg’s sources said the delivery of the frigates would not be affected by Western sanctions imposed on Russia in connection with the Ukraine conflict. Restrictions have caused payment issues, with a large number of transfers pending from the Indian side, which stalled weapons deliveries from Russia, including that of the ultra-modern S-400 missile defence system.

The two countries have been struggling to find a payment mechanism that didn’t violate sanctions, but, according to Bloomberg’s sources, they have now been able to work around the issue. However, the details of the new payment scheme have not been disclosed.

Neither the Indian Ministry of External Affairs nor the Indian Navy responded when asked to comment on the report.

Russia is a major supplier of military equipment to India, which is the world’s largest arms importer. Both nations also engage in joint military exercises, the co-development of advanced military platforms, and technology transfers. According to the latest report by global think tank, the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), Moscow accounts for 36% of New Delhi’s total military hardware imports.

https://www.rt.com/india/595468-india-russian-warships-sanctions/

New batch of 24 Igla S has arrived from Russia

https://m.economictimes.com/news/defence/indian-army-gets-portable-igla-s-air-defence-system-heres-all-about-next-gen-missiles-to-be-deployed-at-china-pakistan-borders/amp_articleshow/109133759.cms

Igla-S includes many of the improvements that went into the Verba, but the most important was a proximity fuse so it can destroy targets it does not hit directly.

They tested the Igla against AT-3 ATGMs and out of 9 targets they hit 5 so four missiles missed, but the AT-3 is a rather small missile so the four missiles that missed failed because they didn't make contact with the tiny target.

The solution was a proximity fuse to allow the warhead to explode even if the missile does not make direct contact with the target so very small targets can be engaged too.

I seem to remember that India bought the production rights to the Igla-S missile so they chose it over European and American missiles.

Cost is a factor in such systems because even the most capable missile is no good if it is too expensive to use in large numbers and be deployed widely or have to keep for critical targets.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:if Ukraine deliver the engines before 2022 or did Russia adapted the frigates for their new engines?

What I heard was that Ukraine had delivered the engines for two of these frigates to India proper. No "third country" as claimed in the article.

Moscow announces defence deals with India ahead of Modi visit, 07.05.2024.

State corporation Rostec has said Russia will start manufacturing ‘Mango’ missiles for Indian army’s T-72 and T-90 tanks locally.

Rosoboronexport, Russia’s defence-export agency and part of state-owned Rostec defence corporation, has arranged for the production in India of 3VBM17 ‘Mango’ rounds with armor-piercing sub-caliber shells. The project is being implemented under New Delhi’s ‘Make In India’ initiative, which aims to increase the country’s self-sufficiency.

The 125-mm projectiles are designed for firing from the cannons of the T-72 and T-90 tanks deployed by India’s military. These munitions are intended to target armored vehicles with composite protection, Rostec said. Its general director Sergey Chemezov said that “To ensure the highest degree of localization in the production of the Mango rounds, plans are underway to establish the production of propellants in India.”

According to Chemezov, Rostec has significant experience in industrial partnerships with friendly countries. “Such partnerships enable the importing country to develop its production capabilities – this is a competitive advantage for Rostec as one of the leading suppliers of defence solutions,” an official statement quoted the director as saying.

Russia and India engage in several such projects, according to defence officials. This includes the licensed production of T-90 tanks, Su-30MKI fighters and other weapons systems.

According to Alexander Mikheev, head of Rosoboronexport, the facility for manufacturing Mango tank rounds in India has been set up using the capabilities of an Indian defense company. “This enables the Indian side to master the transferred technology and organize production,” he noted.

In a separate statement on Thursday, Rostec announced that another Indo-Russian joint venture has produced and delivered 35,000 AK-203 Kalashnikov rifles to the Indian Ministry of Defence. The AK-203s are produced in India using exclusive Russian technologies and certified equipment, the corporation noted.

The joint venture was co-founded by Rosoboronexport and Kalashnikov Concern, part of the Rostec State Corporation, on the Russian side and, on the Indian side, by several state defence companies. The manufacturing has been established in Korwa Ordnance Factory in Amethi, Uttar Pradesh. “The Indo-Russian joint venture is a vivid example of the fruitful cooperation between our countries in the defence sector,” Mikheev said.

Russia remains the largest defence supplier to India, though the South Asian nation has been diversifying its sources of military imports and technological partnerships, according to Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI). BrahMos missiles, co-developed by India and Russia, have emerged as a mainstay in the Indian armed forces as well as a key military export item for New Delhi.

Early this year, a batch of BrahMos missiles worth $375 million was supplied to the Philippines. Other nations – including Thailand, Vietnam, Saudi Arabia, and Indonesia – have reportedly expressed interest in acquiring the supersonic cruise missiles.

https://www.rt.com/india/600507-russia-india-defence-ties/

No point in fitting 125mm guns to your BMPs when your enemy does not have tank based BMPs... there is no prize for having a more expensive and more powerful system in service than you need... because newer designs could have been an option but for extra cost that was unneeded at this time.