Russia - Egypt military contracts

GarryB wrote:The stealth aircraft might be UAVs like Skat or something similar... I doubt Russia would let Egypt have PAK FAs even for the whole 2 billion suggested.

I rather suspect they will ease their way back with Mig-29Ms and lots of air defence vehicles and other bits and pieces.

Perhaps AK12SNs might be on offer... that would be cool!

I would say getting egypt into FGFA would not be bad as there would be another partner and reduce costs (so Indian public can stop moaning about it), as well get more sales of it. Others may be unterested after egypt.

Big I think sale of MiG-29 with AESA would be better as Mikoyan needs the work (funding), while MiG-29M is already a potent aircraft.

Sale of anything from Kalashnikov would be good as the company is still facing issues since its near bankruptcy days.

Interesting. So Egypt asked for S-300 but military expert thinks that answer will be no. I dont see any reason why not.


Egyptian military expert, retired Gen. Hussam Swale

He said that, to his knowledge, in the framework of the agreements reached, Russia will supply to Egypt, in particular, 24 MiG-29, anti-tank missiles "Cornet" second generation SAM "Tor-M1", combat helicopters Mi-8 and Mi- 17. "We asked the C-300, but I do not think that Russia will give us this now," - says the former military.

LINK

Viktor wrote:Interesting. So Egypt asked for S-300 but military expert thinks that answer will be no. I dont see any reason why not.

If they want new-build systems, it may be too late. They may have to either wait for the S-350E or S-400, or go after the Antey-2500.

SOC wrote:

Viktor wrote:Interesting. So Egypt asked for S-300 but military expert thinks that answer will be no. I dont see any reason why not.

If they want new-build systems, it may be too late.  They may have to either wait for the S-350E or S-400, or go after the Antey-2500.  

I dont think that Egypt military expert had that on his mind as S-300PMU2 Favorit is still being actively advertised and produced for export although i would agree that

Antey-2500 would be a better choice which could in S-400 regard serve as its export variant with its 350km unsurpassed missile range. Anyway as long as KSA and Qatar are footing the bill,

who cares - bring it on - bring all on  

and with Antey-2500 / MIG-29 / antiship coastal missile systems / TOR-M2 / Kornet ATGM / all sorts of helicopters / modernizations of all sorts of stuff we are speaking of about

several bin $ up to 10 bin $ but possibly even more because there is no point of taking 12 Mig-29 with R-77 while you have an airforce of 250 F-16 without AIM-120.

We could from the same point of view question all other weapon systems that US delivered to Egypt.

Don't tell me the **** israelis and /or the yanks are involved in this, i don't see why Egypt should be refused S-300.   (the yanks refused them Patriot and export version of F-15E btw, not to mention AMRAAM- in order to strengthen the russian-egyptian ties imo Russia should offer without limits the latest S-300 variants and Su-35, high accuracy SRBMs and anything else the yanks refuse Egypt).
There should be some S-300PMU-2 systems destined for Syria that cannot be delivered right now due to the war there, they could sell Egypt those and settle that with Syria later, or indeed they can sell Egypt the S-300VM in the initial stage. It would be a  formidable addition to the egyptian air defense capabilities.

I agree. I dont see why would not Russia sell those S-300PMU2 to Egypt until situation settles in Syria. It would be a strong add on and mighty opponent to all and would make Egypt more

independent country. Also command post of S-300 system would integrate all the other Egypt air defense systems under single operating body raising efficiency of the older systems

without even spending money on modernizing those old systems by few times. I would also sold out at least 150 F-16 and for that money bought 150+ Mig-29M with latest R-77 and

integrate them with air defense system into single unified fighting body but hey - thats just me.

And the minute they get S-300PMU2 the Americans will get a nice big look at it.

Sell them S-300V, excellent system, and the Americans already know about it (doesn't make it useless in any way, but still). Since, you know, they were sold a whole complex by Russia itself.

TR1 wrote:And the minute they get S-300PMU2 the Americans will get a nice big look at it.

Sell them S-300V, excellent system, and the Americans already know about it (doesn't make it useless in any way, but still). Since, you know, they were sold a whole complex by Russia itself.

Yes I know Russia sold them S-300V to finance S-300VM but also US took a look at S-300 because Croatian government allowed it to look at the uncomplete S-300 system

bought during the war and because Ukraine sold S-300 to Turkey to train its airforce and because Slovakia and Bulgaria and Greece all NATO countries have S-300.

Just because of such unpredictability Russia has made S-300 meant for export which has lower characteristics and are different. So if the Egyptians want to compromise their

security by allowing US to scan their S-300 why should Russia care. Russia will get money.

TR1 wrote:And the minute they get S-300PMU2 the Americans will get a nice big look at it.

Sell them S-300V, excellent system, and the Americans already know about it (doesn't make it useless in any way, but still). Since, you know, they were sold a whole complex by Russia itself.

And they still won't be able to counter it, remember that downgraded export variant of S-300 in Slovakia? NATO ran a military drill that included heavy jamming towards that system, and it still ran remarkably well...correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression that the Slovakian S-300 didn't really have ECM resistance built in to that very system, which taken in to perspective is incredibly impressive!

Since, you know, they were sold a whole complex by Russia itself.

They were certainly not sold a whole complex... there would be several systems not included from the S-300V system and also many of the support systems that are not actually part of the S-300V but operate with it.

Nice   

Russian rocket with Egypt telecommunications satellite to be launched from Baikonur

And done !   

Soyuz-U rocket with Egyptian satellite launched from Baikonur

  

EgyptSat 2 (MisrSat 2) is Egypt's second Earth remote-sounding satellite. The satellite is jointly built by Egypt's National Authority for Remote Sensing and Space Sciences together with RKK Energiya in Russia. The imaging payload was developed by OAO Peleng and NIRUP Geoinformatsionnye Sistemy in Belarus.

The satellite is based on RKK Energiya's 559GK bus, which inherits technologies from their USP platform. The satellite reportedly features electric engines using Xenon.

EgyptSat-2 has a resolution of 1 m in panchromatic mode and 4 m in multispectral mode. The camera can take both single frame images or stereoscopic images and can operate in push-broom continuous imaging mode or in a cartographic mode.

The satellite is to be launched on a Soyuz-U booster from Baikonur cosmodrome in April 2014.

http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/egyptsat-2.htm

ahmedfire wrote:  

EgyptSat 2 (MisrSat 2) is Egypt's second Earth remote-sounding satellite. The satellite is jointly built by Egypt's National Authority for Remote Sensing and Space Sciences together with RKK Energiya in Russia. The imaging payload was developed by OAO Peleng and NIRUP Geoinformatsionnye Sistemy in Belarus.

The satellite is based on RKK Energiya's 559GK bus, which inherits technologies from their USP platform. The satellite reportedly features electric engines using Xenon.

EgyptSat-2 has a resolution of 1 m in panchromatic mode and 4 m in multispectral mode. The camera can take both single frame images or stereoscopic images and can operate in push-broom continuous imaging mode or in a cartographic mode.

The satellite is to be launched on a Soyuz-U booster from Baikonur cosmodrome in April 2014.

http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/egyptsat-2.htm

Kinda impressive step but seems little bit of a big step considering the egyptians capabilities today lets hope it is not the only milestone they set for own country and will have to continue bringing a functioning and modern facility and technological complex.

The satellite reportedly features electric engines using Xenon.

Nice... Ion thrusters for station keeping...

The news that Egypt is about to buy 24 MiG-35 as apart of a 3 billion arms deal has been floating around the last few days.

Egypt’s military turns to ‘made in Russia’

http://northafricapost.com/5496-egypts-military-turns-to-made-in-russia.html

Russia said set to sell its top fighter jets to Egypt

http://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-russia-said-close-to-deal-for-advanced-jets/

No use buying F-35. However, Israel will do all its possible to deter Russia to sell Mig-35.

http://defense-update.com/20140422_egypt-interested-buying-24-mig-35s-russia.html#.U1gcWiRqn6i

The Mig-35 is the best fighter in the world, or at least one the top. It could easily outclass all israelis fighters. This aircraft is real shift balancing power, and it could be very too much dangeurous for Israel. If Egypt pursue to order SU-35, it could even threaten US assets. I don't see any US aircraft able to match the SU-35, except if they are with a huge coalition as it was against Iraq. MIG-35 is a game changing asset for Egypt.



Do not forget that, when Egypt wanted to buy F-15  -as any reliable ally- US, under the strong jewish lobby refused to sell them this fighter. Behind, the jewish lobby is the fact that every egyptian's military exercises Israel was the virtual ennemy. This was the false pretext, in fact, Jewish Lobby wanted just one thing, Israel conserves as long as possible its superiority, in case where....

This is the "wonderfull" reward to those who believe in israelis's friendship.

Israel still exists not because of US delivers their best hardware, but mostly because....USSR refused to deliver their matching hardware to its arabs allies. This is the only thing that I reproached to USSR.

However, it was said that Russia refused to deliver some Mig 31 E to Syria, I hope it is just only gossips.

Israel still exists not because of US delivers their best hardware, but mostly because....USSR refused to deliver their matching hardware to its arabs allies. This is the only thing that I reproached to USSR.

Most of the Arab countries didn't want to spend money on the more expensive Soviet aircraft or risked compromising it to the US.

Egypt, for example signed agreements with the US and Israel and turned their back on Russian military equipment. Most of the rest of the Arab countries were in the US camp too. Iraq bought some Soviet MiG-29s but also French aircraft too.

However, it was said that Russia refused to deliver some Mig 31 E to Syria, I hope it is just only gossips.

I heard it was the Syrians that refused MiG-31Es and MiG-29Ms because they wanted helicopters instead.

Will be interesting to see Egyptian MiG-35s with RVV-BD missiles... 280km range AAMs..

GarryB wrote:
Most of the Arab countries didn't want to spend money on the more expensive Soviet aircraft or risked compromising it to the US.
Egypt, for example signed agreements with the US and Israel and turned their back on Russian military equipment. Most of the rest of the Arab countries were in the US camp too. Iraq bought some Soviet MiG-29s but also French aircraft too.

Indeed, I agree with you the Egypt's case was ambiguous. After Nasser's death, Sadate, and his friends wanted one thing, to break with Soviet Union, and to join US camp. Nevertheless, there are several other examples, untill now Iran -this is not arab country- wanted to buy many Sukhoi or Mig, but Russia intill now refused to sell them. Refused even to deliver the SA-10 -aka S-300 -.

I don't know much about Syria, I know that Syria needs many other hardwares to fight against Israel. For example, when Soviet Union provided SA-5 Gammon -aka S-200- during 1983, the soviets insisted that at first SA-5 were for begining served by soviets experts only, moreover, the SA-5 batteries were integrated inside the soviet network -contrary to iraqis network, Saddam prefered to rely on Kari that after will reveal a real disaster for Iraq-, in order to avoid that syrian army could use SA-5 against Israel.

I don't know much about Syria's ability to buy more sophisctated weapons, however, syrian air force needs absolultly some Awacs in order to monitor every israelis take off. Their -russian's origin- radars, even though, they are very sophiscated, could not see at low altitude, and could not what about in the south Lebanon, because of Mountains.

GarryB wrote:
Will be interesting to see Egyptian MiG-35s with RVV-BD missiles... 280km range AAMs..  

We've already discussed about this air to air missile's subject, and as you know, there are no missiles enough effective to stop any israelis or US attacks. The only solution nowadays, is still the dogfight, hence still fighters with guns. The dogfight stay, and will stay for at least several centuries the only ultimate result in air battle.
Whatever missile could be: Either S-300/400, AMRAAM, Sidewinder, Sparrow, AA-10 Alamo, AA-11 Archer, AA-12 -AMRAAMSKI- Adler.
A good pilot inside a Mig 29 could down any fighter in the world, as inside F-16, or Typhoon. Everything is subordinate to the quality of training. As US had the hugest military budget, they could have among the top of the pilots in the world. Now as the budget is collapsing, the training became reduced, as the quality. For the F-22 the pilots'trainig now is reduced to reach the 1/3 of the F-16's training.

Regarding that, Russia, Egypt, China has very good assets against US.

Amount and price remains to be seen but   

Egypt is negotiating with Russia to acquire antiaircraft and aircraft

Viktor wrote:Amount and price remains to be seen but   

Egypt is negotiating with Russia to acquire antiaircraft and aircraft

can you post the source please ?

Anas Ali wrote:

Viktor wrote:Amount and price remains to be seen but   

Egypt is negotiating with Russia to acquire antiaircraft and aircraft

can you post the source please ?

The source is Interfax agency (for which you need to pay to get info). Interfax got the info from "Deputy Director of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC Russia) Konstantin Biryulin". I think the full interview could be posted at "http://vpk.name/" in a day or two so you should check it out

Egypt, a customer for Mi-28NE?

Russian army adopted officially the combat helicopter Mi-28N Havoc by the end of December 2013. Its serial production for the Russian Air Force started in 2007 in the Rostvertol, which is a part of the holding Russian Helicopters. In total, the Russian Air Force is already using more than 70 aircrafts of this type. In addition, the helicopter is built to be exported to Algeria, Iraq and Egypt.

http://kret.com/en/news/3317/

mack8 wrote:Egypt, a customer for Mi-28NE?

Russian army adopted officially the combat helicopter Mi-28N Havoc by the end of December 2013. Its serial production for the Russian Air Force started in 2007 in the Rostvertol, which is a part of the holding Russian Helicopters.  In total, the Russian Air Force is already using more than 70 aircrafts of this type. In addition, the helicopter is built to be exported to Algeria, Iraq and Egypt.

http://kret.com/en/news/3317/

thats amazing

Sisi's visit to Moscow, there is talk of Russia speeding up weapons delivery, maybe inking of contracts under negotiation. Sisi has been shown different weapons systems at Sochi, would be interesting to know what exactly as it would show what will Russia sell and what Egypt might be interested in.

http://en.ria.ru/world/20140812/191949081/Russia-Egypt-Agree-to-Boost-Military-Cooperation--Putin.html