Russia and other developments in Hypersonic Research

US starts development of advanced prompt global strike systems - Russian Defense Ministry

"When not equipped with nuclear weapons, these systems are meant to carry out the same tasks as the strategic nuclear forces," a spokesman said

UNITED NATIONS, October 13. /TASS/. The Pentagon has started to develop advanced prompt global strike systems capable of carrying out the same tasks as the nuclear forces, Russian Defense Ministry Spokesman Alexander Yemelyanov said at a Russian-Chinese briefing on missile defense, held on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly First Committee’s meeting on Thursday.

"While implementing the concept of shared use of offensive and defensive weapons, the Pentagon has started to develop advanced prompt global strike systems," Yemelyanov said. "When not equipped with nuclear weapons, these systems are meant to carry out the same tasks as the strategic nuclear forces," he added.

He also said that there was a clear link between the US plans to establish its global ABM system and the development of prompt global strike systems. "If a strike is delivered on the Russian and Chinese strategic nuclear forces’ facilities, the efficiency of the US ABM system will improve," the Russian Defense Ministry’s spokesman said.

"So the development of prompt global strike systems once again proves Washington’s wish to ruin the current balance of power and ensure the US global strategic dominance," Yemelyanov noted.

He added that the United States had been stepping up its missile defense capabilities to gain a strategic advantage by getting an opportunity to use nuclear weapons "at minimal cost.".


More:
http://tass.com/defense/970393

George1 wrote:US starts development of advanced prompt global strike systems - Russian Defense Ministry

"When not equipped with nuclear weapons, these systems are meant to carry out the same tasks as the strategic nuclear forces," a spokesman said

UNITED NATIONS, October 13. /TASS/. The Pentagon has started to develop advanced prompt global strike systems capable of carrying out the same tasks as the nuclear forces, Russian Defense Ministry Spokesman Alexander Yemelyanov said at a Russian-Chinese briefing on missile defense, held on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly First Committee’s meeting on Thursday.

"While implementing the concept of shared use of offensive and defensive weapons, the Pentagon has started to develop advanced prompt global strike systems," Yemelyanov said. "When not equipped with nuclear weapons, these systems are meant to carry out the same tasks as the strategic nuclear forces," he added.

He also said that there was a clear link between the US plans to establish its global ABM system and the development of prompt global strike systems. "If a strike is delivered on the Russian and Chinese strategic nuclear forces’ facilities, the efficiency of the US ABM system will improve," the Russian Defense Ministry’s spokesman said.

"So the development of prompt global strike systems once again proves Washington’s wish to ruin the current balance of power and ensure the US global strategic dominance," Yemelyanov noted.

He added that the United States had been stepping up its missile defense capabilities to gain a strategic advantage by getting an opportunity to use nuclear weapons "at minimal cost.".


More:
http://tass.com/defense/970393

Russia would have to be grossly negligent if it would allow this American BS (yes it is basically a show off process) to gain the US
any advantage over its nuclear forces. We are dealing with the first strike scenario. Americans think if they shoot first, like some
wild west gunslinger they "win". If Russia can properly react to a first strike attempt using ICBMs it has no excuse to not be able to
respond to prompt global strike.

Cheaper solutions would be more cruise missiles. Long range, supersonic cruise missiles would do the job. Hell, if there is a method of attach cruise missiles to a ballistic bus system (so cruise missiles as warheads), they could have something that would be able to strike from afar, maneuverable and pretty much extremely hard to counter.

But we have been hearing of project 4202, but this year all is quiet. I imagine that they are going to really push its development along with Zircon in order to get hypersonic missile systems into field in order to deal with ABM systems. As for Prompt Global Strike, well, all Russia can do is create their own which they have through 4202 technically. And for defense against it, well apparently the Voronez radar is able to track them but shooting them down would be real hard. So hypersonic AAM would be the key here, and I believe KBM is working on one for Pantsir.

Well quite a few decades ago there was that mach 3 low flying cruise missile design that used nuclear propulsion that could fly around for years.

Before ballistic missiles had intercontinental range there were very large very long range cruise missiles too...

Hypersonic motors would make very large very long range missiles rather more interesting.

I mean when launched they might be 10 tons with most of that weight fuel so for the first portion of the flight they would likely be subsonic.... but during a 10,000km flight it could release external fuel tanks and with the gradual reduction in weight and drag accelerate to hypersonic speed for the last few stages of flight near enemy airspace...

There are plenty of options Russia can take, even using current existing technology from Iskander. Its just are they willing to do it?

Big_Gazza wrote:
I like the idea of a handful of Sarmat with precision guided HGVs.  Fit them with air brakes so they can drop their terminal attack speed to a sufficiently low value that they can effectively use Glonass to achieve CEP of a few meters.  They won't be very cost effective but their main purpose is to show the Russian cock is bigger, longer, thicker, harder, stronger and more energetic than its puny Murican equivalent...  

Start ICBM regardless of with or without nuke warhead is trigger for war for other party. Besides all ICBMs count to NewSTAR right? Besides somehow i cannot imagine how PGS would be global withput passing over Russia's territory ??

If PGS and ABM will get into life Russia either stops NewStart with many cheapo ICBMs close to US mainland (vide Kuryer in Arctic check INF thread) or use space for FOBS like weapons IMHO


Sarmatian ICBM & FOBS Reintroduction

https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/russia/ss-30-fobs.htm

This new Sarmatian heavy missile has been assigned the not just the standard MIRV/ICBM tasks "but also the delivery of warheads and strike a variety of ways, including through the delivery units South Pole" according to Russian Academy of Missile and Artillery Sciences, Former head of the 4th. Central Research Institute of the Defense Ministry, Major General Vladimir Vasilenko on or about February 27, 2014 and again March 17, 2014. To achieve such a southern variant reentry would require a FOBS (fractional orbital bombardment systems operation) operational capability that is much more precise than previous SS-9 based R-36-0 testing demonstrated in the 1960-1970s. In fact if this is correct some of the existing SS-18's may in fact already be assigned FOBS operational capability though this remains uncertain.

With a grain of salt as weekend funnies.

Hypersonic Weapons Should Be Under Int'l Rules - UK Nuclear Operations Head

https://sputniknews.com/military/201707271055913242-uk-hypersonic-weapons-under-rules/

OMAHA (Sputnik) — Hypersonic weapons should be under international norms and rules, UK's Head of Nuclear Operations for the Director General Nuclear, Commodore Paul Burke, told Sputnik.
"Any weapons system should actually commit to some international norms and some regulations, absolutely," Burke stated on the margins of the STRATCOM Deterrence Symposium in Nebraska on Wednesday. "It should definitely be under some international regulations."

Paul Burke also noted that London is following Russia developing hypersonic aviation means of destruction yet is not capable of developing their own system.

"We watch what Russia is doing, absolutely. We’ll keep an eye on what we’re doing and trying to respond accordingly usually through diplomatic, international norms and treaty obligations," Burke said. "The UK wouldn’t be able to do anything like that. So, we wouldn't be able to develop that sort of system ourselves."

and here below RAND report

Hypersonic Missile Nonproliferation Hindering the Spread of a New Class of Weapons

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR2137.html

Key Findings

[*]New Class of Threat

Hypersonic missiles are a new class of threat because they are capable both of maneuvering and of flying faster than 5,000 kilometers per hour, which would enable such missiles to penetrate most missile defenses and to further compress the timelines for response by a nation under attack.

The proliferation of such missiles beyond the United States, Russia, and China could result in other powers compressing their response timelines in ways that set their strategic forces on hair-trigger states of readiness — such as a strategy of "launch on warning." And such proliferation could enable such states to more credibly threaten attacks on major powers.

There is probably less than a decade available to substantially hinder the potential proliferation of hypersonic missiles and associated technologies.
There appears to be interest in hypersonic missile nonproliferation and at least a few years available for relevant governments to put a policy in place.


International Concern

The unavoidable requirement is for the United States, Russia, and China to agree on a nonproliferation policy.
France could play a key role in bringing other governments into agreement on a broader control policy.
The technical and economic barriers to developing hypersonic technology are great enough to add to the effectiveness of a nonproliferation policy.



Recommendations
A two-tiered approach to containing the spread of hypersonic systems and components appears to be the most promising.
First, we recommend a policy of export denial for complete hypersonic delivery vehicles and enough major subsystems to effectively provide access to complete hypersonic missiles.

Second, given dual-use concerns, we also recommend a policy of case-by-case export reviews for scramjets and other hypersonic engines and components, fuels for hypersonic use, sensors, navigation, and communication items for hypersonic flight, hypersonic flight controls, design tools and modeling for such uses, and ground simulation and testing for hypersonic systems.

The necessary first step is for the United States, Russia, and China to agree not to export complete hypersonic missiles or their major subsystems. Beyond that, the control list recommended in this report can be the basis for international discussions.[/b]

So British and French loosers are to control Russian and Chinese winners? on US command as always? bonne chance with that

Utterly pathetic. Poor little NATO ubmerenschen can't handle a new class of weapons. I thought these weapons were old news to the
technological masters of the universe.

The only "proliferation" of these weapons that I have seen is Brahmos, a collaboration between India and Russia. So Rand and NATO can
go an bugger themselves off.

...The necessary first step is for the United States, Russia, and China to agree not to export complete hypersonic missiles or their major subsystems. 

Oh I can already see how this would work. Just like nukes: no export but there will be some kind of "hypersonic sharing" inside NATO while Russia and China would have to adhere to rules.

Fucks that crap, I say hypersonic vehicles for everyone who can pay or make, it will be next step towards lasting and stable world peace.

PapaDragon wrote:

...The necessary first step is for the United States, Russia, and China to agree not to export complete hypersonic missiles or their major subsystems. 

Oh I can already see how this would work. Just like nukes: no export but there will be some kind of "hypersonic sharing" inside NATO while Russia and China would have to adhere to rules.

Fucks that crap, I say hypersonic vehicles for everyone who can pay or make, it will be next step towards lasting and stable world peace.

Are they F'ing serious??
As if Russia or China would adhere to such nonsense given the current political sh%t show.

And doesn't Europe have bigger problems, like those brownies who are massacring there people.

The US, China and Russia are trying to create a hypersonic air-breathing jet engine

Hypersonic speeds missiles have long mastered. The combat parts of our strategic missiles fly on hypersound on the final flight trajectory. The work goes on creating engines that can work for a long time on modes that repeatedly exceed the speed of sound.

To hypersonic speed is the one that exceeds the sound one five times. It is measured in the Mach (M). So, the warheads of the "Topols" and "Yars" before the final impact reach the speed of 25M - they can not be destroyed by any anti-missiles.
Lately, much has been said about the work on hypersonic rockets, and only in the future and as something very difficult.

The developer of domestic missiles for mobile land complexes Yuri Solomonov believes that there is a confusion of concepts. By itself, the hypersonic speed has long been achieved and something insurmountable is not. And now in the US, China and Russia, they are trying to create a hypersonic ramjet-propelled jet engine - the GPVRD. Its feature, in addition to the development of a huge speed, is the absence of an oxidizer on board. Only fuel. The oxidizing agent must be atmospheric oxygen. A rocket with such an engine part of the trajectory flies in the atmosphere, part in the cosmic airless space. It must be managed and maneuvered. With the advent of such missiles, a completely new type of weapon will be created - hypersonic aeroballistic systems.

Technologically, this is a very difficult task. It is not worth waiting for the rapid emergence of serial missiles from the GVRM. But work in this direction is on the increase. Who will be their first owner?

https://rg.ru/2017/12/02/ssha-knr-i-rf-pytaiutsia-sozdat-giperzvukovoj-vozdushno-reaktivnyj-dvigatel.html

If something is here strange - air breathing engine is for heights where there is enough air then friction cooks all. Does it make sense for weapons? unless very compact, ultra fast for short distance do tey are not gonna cook?

GunshipDemocracy wrote:The US, China and Russia are trying to create a hypersonic air-breathing jet engine

Hypersonic speeds missiles have long mastered. The combat parts of our strategic missiles fly on hypersound on the final flight trajectory. The work goes on creating engines that can work for a long time on modes that repeatedly exceed the speed of sound.

To hypersonic speed is the one that exceeds the sound one five times. It is measured in the Mach (M). So, the warheads of the "Topols" and "Yars" before the final impact reach the speed of 25M - they can not be destroyed by any anti-missiles.
Lately, much has been said about the work on hypersonic rockets, and only in the future and as something very difficult.

The developer of domestic missiles for mobile land complexes Yuri Solomonov believes that there is a confusion of concepts. By itself, the hypersonic speed has long been achieved and something insurmountable is not. And now in the US, China and Russia, they are trying to create a hypersonic ramjet-propelled jet engine - the GPVRD. Its feature, in addition to the development of a huge speed, is the absence of an oxidizer on board. Only fuel. The oxidizing agent must be atmospheric oxygen. A rocket with such an engine part of the trajectory flies in the atmosphere, part in the cosmic airless space. It must be managed and maneuvered. With the advent of such missiles, a completely new type of weapon will be created - hypersonic aeroballistic systems.

Technologically, this is a very difficult task. It is not worth waiting for the rapid emergence of serial missiles from the GVRM. But work in this direction is on the increase. Who will be their first owner?

https://rg.ru/2017/12/02/ssha-knr-i-rf-pytaiutsia-sozdat-giperzvukovoj-vozdushno-reaktivnyj-dvigatel.html

If something is here strange - air breathing engine is for heights where there is enough air then friction cooks all. Does it make sense for weapons? unless very compact, ultra fast  for short distance do tey are not gonna cook?

Scramjets would allow a saving in fuel weight (no oxidizer) as noted in the article. The hypersonic regime of a scramjet is not confined
to super velocities. If jets can fly above the speed of sound a few km above the surface, then so can scramjets. The cost is the
design of the intake-combustion-outflow manifold since it must achieve combustion are relatively low speeds. As the speed of the
object the scramjet increases, the shape of this manifold requires change as well. This is actually a major limitation of scramjets; they
are stuck in a particular regime via their geometry. Until some variable geometry scramjet is designed, it will not be able to operate
at all altitudes and speeds.

kvs wrote:

Scramjets would allow a saving in fuel weight (no oxidizer) as noted in the article.   The hypersonic regime of a scramjet is not confined
to super velocities.    If jets can fly above the speed of sound a few km above the surface, then so can scramjets.   The cost is the
design of the intake-combustion-outflow manifold since it must achieve combustion are relatively low speeds.   As the speed of the
object the scramjet increases, the shape of this manifold requires change as well.   This is actually a major limitation of scramjets; they
are stuck in a particular regime via their geometry.   Until some variable geometry scramjet is designed, it will not be able to operate
at all altitudes and speeds.

True but scremjet hypersonic engine sounds like engine should fly hypersonic. According to wiki 3-4Ma is lower range but at high en can be form 12 till 24 Ma...prtty fast. Still not sure how wings can helo here. But OK let's live and see.

Russia's apparently already is working on Ma 12-14 hypersonic missiles for bobmbers.

Contract for the development of a non-strategic hypersonic winged HCSW missile for the US Air Force

As reported by the US edition of DefenseNews, the US Air Force issued on 18 April 2018 to Lockheed Martin a $ 928 million contract to develop a hypersonic non-nuclear cruise missile based on Hypersonic Conventional Strike Weapon (HCSW, pronounced "Hacksaw" - "Nozhovka") . The contract was issued according to the "indefinite-delivery / indefinite-quantity" scheme (that is, for an indefinite period of development and the number of prototypes supplied), providing for "design, development, manufacturing, integration, testing, logistics planning and integration of all elements into aircraft hypersonic non-nuclear non-strategic air-based weapons, "the US Air Force said. The contract amount reflects the overall framework value and will be realized through annual financing as the developer claims volumes.



"This step is one of two directions for creating prototypes of hypersonic weapons implemented by the Air Force to accelerate hypersonic research and development," the US Air Force spokesman Ann Stefanek said in a statement. "The Air Force is creating prototypes to explore opportunities for further development and as soon as possible to advance these technologies to implementation."

The second mentioned Anne Stefanek program in this area is Air Launched Rapid Response Weapon (ARRW), also known under the Arrow cipher ("Arrow") and also carried out by Lockheed Martin (a division of special prospective secret works of Skunk Works). In the budget request for the 2019 fiscal year, the US Air Force requested $ 258 million to implement ARRW and HCSW programs.

In addition, the US Air Force is funding two more experimental hypersonic weapons programs under the auspices of the US Department of Defense's Advanced Research and Development Agency (DARPA) - Tactical Boost Glide (TBG, an experimental hypersonic cruise missile of the glider type, prototype testing with F- 15 is planned to start in 2022-2023, according to a number of sources, the aforementioned ARRW is one of the variants for the TBG project) and the Hypersonic Air-breathing Weapon Concept (HAWC, an aeroballistic missile launched from an F-15 fighter). It was reported that TBG and HAWS are created using ASM-135 ASAT as the first stage of the ASM-135 anti-satellite missile. The US Army (the ground-launched launch rocket ANW) and the US Navy also have their own programs to develop hypersonic weapons.

According to preliminary publications, the HCSW missile is intended for high-precision destruction of stationary or "moving" ground targets, should have a cruising speed of 5M (or more) and be equipped with a combined inertial-satellite guidance system.

The contract for the HSCW program was awarded to Lockheed Martin after the competition, in which there were two more participants - presumably, they were the corporation Orbital ATK and the consortium Raytheon and Boeing. The current CEO of Lockheed Martin, Marilyn Hewson, has repeatedly stated that the development of hypersonic technology is one of the company's priorities.

American observers associate a sharp increase in the development of hypersonic weapons in the US with the successes in this field, recently demonstrated by Russia and China.

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3170118.html

Russia's Hypersonic research compromised, important data leaked to the west

Roscosmos' Research Center's Staff Suspected of Leaking Data Abroad – Source
MOSCOW (Sputnik) - Employees of Russia's Central Research Institute of Machine Building (TsNIIMash), a rocket and spacecraft scientific center at the Roscosmos space corporation, are main suspects in the high treason case, a source familiar with the investigation told Sputnik.

"Most searches are carried out at the TsNIIMash. A number of employees of the enterprise and their offices are being searched by investigators and security agencies," the source said.

According to the sources, TsNIIMash Head Dmitry Paison had no access to secret information and is seen by investigators as a person who "might have known about the situation."

Earlier in the day, the Kommersant newspaper reported that Russia's Federal Security Service (FSB) officers had carried searches in offices of a number of TsNIIMash employees as part of the investigation into the high treason case. According to the media outlet, "dozens of people" are suspected of working for foreign intelligence and "leaking" top secret designs in the area of hypersonic devices.

If this happened in the West, they would probably scream for more sanctions I wonder how Russia will respond to this blatant provocation imo, Russia needs to steal more western tech too to compliment their own weapons research, whether we admit it or not, a new arms race has already begun and Russia needs to play dirty to get even.

Rogozin is doing his job of cleaning house. The rot at Roscosmos and associated enterprises runs deep. Back to the USSR
period. Heads need to roll.

Also, note how the US government announces a tender for hypersonic missiles just when top secret Russian information is illegally
leaked. All the wankers who think that NATO (specifically the USA) has intrinsic technical superiority are detached from reality.
Creative minds in the west go into finance and not science and engineering. "Nerd" subjects are handled by immigrants from around the world
while in Russia the culture is still not about money, money, money (that is why Russia's defense industry survived the 1990s).

kvs wrote:Rogozin is doing his job of cleaning house.    The rot at Roscosmos and associated enterprises runs deep.   Back to the USSR
period.    Heads need to roll...........  

Oh boy, you are beyond hilarious....

Rogozin cleaning house? Heads need to roll?

He is one who needs to be cleaned and his head needs to roll. This bullshit happened on his watch.

mnztr wrote:Everyone spies, there is nothing new here. But it would be a bigg blow if Kinzhal technology was stolen or sold to the USA.

If Kinzhal is all they swiped then it's not a big deal all things considered, that one was bottom-tier item.

But I doubt it's Kinzhal, definitely something was more sensitive.

Speculations again Papa.  Care to share your insider knowledge?

Point is that something was leaked.  But if it was critical, they would have pulled back or halted development till issue was resolved and that any leak would no longer be effective.

Its like F-35 leak from US to China. In end, it proved nothing. Funny thing is too, they got blueprints which is very sensitive. Also, took a long time, 2 years ago, to finally prosecute the guy.

Does this hypersonic leak claim actually make sense?It could be false information being fed. It could be a pretence to shake up part of the industry. It could be a way of Russia showing to the US that its abilities are real and not bs.

Such industries are have massive levels of separation. Even on civillian rockets there might be 100s of component suppliers. When things go wrong its REALLY difficult to work out what the problem is.

Snr mil scientists are intensively vetted and are hugely patriotic. Ofcourse they are monitored intensely and all their docs have footprints/markers. So leak attempts could be identified in routine exercises. Its not like Russia is new to all this. And its not like Russia is dying, its resurgent. Defence scientists aren't generally a bunch of sell out Ksenia Sobchak libtards.

My guess is its a deliberate leak to the US to say "we are real".

PS the timing could also be connected to the utterly bullshit arrest of a Russian woman in the USA.
I mean FFS, the NRA is hardly some super top secret organisation is it. Its absolute comedy gold!
Maybe Russia is just retorting saying "ok we know where you sniff around, you aren't saints, have your own media shit storm!"

Testing of the Chinese hypersonic aircraft "Sinkun-2"

China successfully tested hypersonic aircraft "Sinkun-2" ("Starry Sky"). This was stated in the message of the Chinese Academy of Aerospace Aerodynamics.



The testing of the wave-plane was held on Friday at one of the testing grounds in the north-west of China. The device was in the air for ten minutes, during which time it made a series of maneuvers at an altitude of 30 kilometers and landed in the specified area. It is reported that the academy for three years was engaged in its development. The device is capable of delivering nuclear warheads and overcoming any existing anti-missile defense system due to its high speed and unpredictable trajectory.









https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3295795.html