Scottish Indepedence

JohninMK wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

Godric wrote:early next year will see the 2nd Scottish Independence referendum .... we will not be a member Nato will make a stipulation of Scotland's continuing of basing the rUKs nuclear deterrent at faslane  which will never be accepted by any political party in Scotland accept from the Scottish tories

Don't mix these two issues. Shetland and Orkney will gladly keep the UK, same for major cities and counties in Scotland itself.
If SNP wants to become the New Palestinian authority, they can go right ahead.

WTF has this to do with Ukraine???

KiloGolf wrote:

Godric wrote:early next year will see the 2nd Scottish Independence referendum .... we will not be a member Nato will make a stipulation of Scotland's continuing of basing the rUKs nuclear deterrent at faslane  which will never be accepted by any political party in Scotland accept from the Scottish tories

Don't mix these two issues. Shetland and Orkney will gladly keep the UK, same for major cities and counties in Scotland itself.
If SNP wants to become the New Palestinian authority, they can go right ahead.

Godric wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

Godric wrote:early next year will see the 2nd Scottish Independence referendum .... we will not be a member Nato will make a stipulation of Scotland's continuing of basing the rUKs nuclear deterrent at faslane  which will never be accepted by any political party in Scotland accept from the Scottish tories

Don't mix these two issues. Shetland and Orkney will gladly keep the UK, same for major cities and counties in Scotland itself.
If SNP wants to become the New Palestinian authority, they can go right ahead.

seriously you are like John you haven't a clue when it comes to Scotland Shetlands and Okney's are both Scottish and have been part of Scotland or indigenous Scotland for 2000 years out of the past 2,400 years ... you have 1 lib dem councillor shouting his mouth of equating to Independence for Orkney's and shetlands ffs

my response was to Militarov's in regards to Nato bombing Serbia and the SNP were deeply opposed to Nato's bombing at the time  ... SNP are very much pro UN and abiding by the UN

oh and john their will be another Indy vote early next year

KiloGolf wrote:

Godric wrote:early next year will see the 2nd Scottish Independence referendum .... we will not be a member Nato will make a stipulation of Scotland's continuing of basing the rUKs nuclear deterrent at faslane  which will never be accepted by any political party in Scotland accept from the Scottish tories

Don't mix these two issues. Shetland and Orkney will gladly keep the UK, same for major cities and counties in Scotland itself.
If SNP wants to become the New Palestinian authority, they can go right ahead.

Firebird wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

Godric wrote:early next year will see the 2nd Scottish Independence referendum .... we will not be a member Nato will make a stipulation of Scotland's continuing of basing the rUKs nuclear deterrent at faslane  which will never be accepted by any political party in Scotland accept from the Scottish tories

Don't mix these two issues. Shetland and Orkney will gladly keep the UK, same for major cities and counties in Scotland itself.
If SNP wants to become the New Palestinian authority, they can go right ahead.

That picture is so ugly, its almost funny.
Thats Muslim's smugness is only overshadowed by his disbelief that the woman can be so moronic.

I've no doubt that the way things are going, Britain will be much like 1990s Chechnya in around 20 or so years. Britain is already some kind of Orwellian state with all its harrassment of indigeneous citizens trying to speak their mind. The cops have to report "hate incidents" when no crime was commited but someone expresses disapproval eg of immigration. But if you try and report a real crime eg a violent attack/robbery/burglary etc they often refuse to record it because it might lower their "successful clearup" figures.

I got banned from Facebook this week for pointing out that a Pakistani is not "British". And I cited ASIAN newspapers in Britain as my authority. Because every single Asian in Britain was described as "Asian" not "British" or "Asian British" in it

Godric wrote:muslims make up 0.5% of Scotland's population and the Scottish first Minister is the first minister of all of Scotland ... and by wearing a headscarf in place of muslim worship she is being respectful of their faith ... Scotland is a country of many faiths and No faith

KiloGolf wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

WTF has this to do with Ukraine???

It's a fitting response to a separatist post here. Move on and a direct your "WTF" posts elsewhere.

KiloGolf wrote:

Godric wrote:muslims make up 0.5% of Scotland's population and the Scottish first Minister is the first minister of all of Scotland ... and by wearing a headscarf in place of muslim worship she is being respectful of their faith ... Scotland is a country of many faiths and No faith

JohninMK wrote:Great thought but that will hardly have the Israelis quaking in their boots and planning a change in strategy.

Godric wrote:Israel will face sanctions from Scotland when we leave the UK and we won't be kow towed by America to drop them

KiloGolf wrote:

Godric wrote:Israel will face sanctions from Scotland when we leave the UK and we won't be kow towed by America to drop them

Sure

JohninMK wrote:Such a shame that your dream may never be realised. But then at least the impotence of a probably poor and small country will not be exposed.

Godric wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Such a shame that your dream may never be realised. But then at least the impotence of a probably poor and small country will not be exposed.

seriously you haven't a clue John ... if threats and bullying is the UK establishment is the only tools left to keep the UK "United" then it is obvious that union is finished ... i think you will find the rest of the UK will lose way more  For example its seat in the permanent council of the UN as you will no longer be the UK, over £65 billion exports to Scotland all Scotland's exports will leave from Scottish ports and airports 10s of thousands of oil and gas jobs in England back to Scotland you have very little oil and Gas and the maritime borders will have to be redrawn back to 1999 when the westminster redrew Scottish maritime borders without the consent of Scotland and UNCLOS when the rUK grabbed 6,000 square miles of Scotland's maritime waters ... we have vast amounts of oil and gas reserves worth trillions in even todays prices, we have large deposits of gold untapped over 200 tonnes in one site alone nr Loch Lomond ... i think you will find we will do just fine

JohninMK wrote:Such a shame that your dream may never be realised. But then at least the impotence of a probably poor and small country will not be exposed.

GarryB wrote:Can I ask Godric, how has this evolved...

Scotland is sick of being dictated to by London, but will leave the Britian to be dictated to by Brussels.

I just find it odd.

I mean I can semi understand it in the sense that we here in New Zealand wanted independence from London, but wanted to remain part of the british commonwealth... but that was mostly economic and really has no real meaning now as the EU dictates trade to us now.

For instance France murders a photographer in New Zealand and then threatens us that we wont be able to trade within the EU if we don't just shut up and ignore their act of terrorism.

No help from the UK and silence of course from interpol... I think a lot of New Zealanders started to turn to the US after all that...

Godric wrote:

GarryB wrote:Can I ask Godric, how has this evolved...

Scotland is sick of being dictated to by London, but will leave the Britian to be dictated to by Brussels.

I just find it odd.

I mean I can semi understand it in the sense that we here in New Zealand wanted independence from London, but wanted to remain part of the british commonwealth... but that was mostly economic and really has no real meaning now as the EU dictates trade to us now.

For instance France murders a photographer in New Zealand and then threatens us that we wont be able to trade within the EU if we don't just shut up and ignore their act of terrorism.

No help from the UK and silence of course from interpol... I think a lot of New Zealanders started to turn to the US after all that...

Brussels is very different from Westminster/London our parliament has very little control over everything that matters leaving the UK and remaining in the EU will give Holyrood control over almost everything ... only a small percentage of power will be transferred over to Brussels ... you have to understand Scotland's history to understand our connection with Europe ... The Scottish alliance with France is the oldest in history dating back to 1296 AD and is still in operation 720 years later

and with Scotland leaving the UK it throws a massive spanner in Nato they would lose control of a massive area of the North Atlantic

flamming_python wrote:

Godric wrote:

GarryB wrote:Can I ask Godric, how has this evolved...

Scotland is sick of being dictated to by London, but will leave the Britian to be dictated to by Brussels.

I just find it odd.

I mean I can semi understand it in the sense that we here in New Zealand wanted independence from London, but wanted to remain part of the british commonwealth... but that was mostly economic and really has no real meaning now as the EU dictates trade to us now.

For instance France murders a photographer in New Zealand and then threatens us that we wont be able to trade within the EU if we don't just shut up and ignore their act of terrorism.

No help from the UK and silence of course from interpol... I think a lot of New Zealanders started to turn to the US after all that...

Brussels is very different from Westminster/London our parliament has very little control over everything that matters leaving the UK and remaining in the EU will give Holyrood control over almost everything ... only a small percentage of power will be transferred over to Brussels ... you have to understand Scotland's history to understand our connection with Europe ... The Scottish alliance with France is the oldest in history dating back to 1296 AD and is still in operation 720 years later

and with Scotland leaving the UK it throws a massive spanner in Nato they would lose control of a massive area of the North Atlantic

Don't see how being a small fish in a big pond can be any better than being a small fish in a small pond.

Scotland should just arrive at a compromise with Westminister on their respective differences and let it be. Scotland will never have everything it wants but in the long run it will certainly keep more of what it wants by being part of the UK then by becoming part of the EU and then slowly having more and more of its independence and identity eroded away in favour of a 'European' one and creeping military, political, cultural centralization. And the worst thing is that this will happen slowly and gently enough so that it doesn't build up a crucial amount of dissent and backlash (boiling the frog slowly rather than quickly), and what's more you'll eventually end up wanting all that stuff yourself - it will feel like an 'evolution' of public opinion whereas in fact what is happening is indoctrination under the influence of the media and EU-obsessed political elites.

There already was a referendum 3 years ago.. and the majority of the Scottish population decided that they want to remain part of the British crown and share in its decisions. That also entails going along with its international decisions; be it wars or be it memberships of this or that economic union. On the EU the British public made a united decision and you can't claim Scotland didn't have its say. If it was a war the government wouldn't have even asked. But people knew all this and voted for staying in the UK anyway.

JohninMK wrote:The issue now, even after the vote in Holyrood today, is that there will be no new vote on independence until after the UK has left the EU. It is as simple as that.

Even if there was the will in the UK Parliament to allow it, which there isn't, there will not be enough Parliamentary time to process it through given all the other work they will have to do surrounding Brexit.

So Scotland, whether it likes it or not, and there is some debate on the subject, will be out in a couple of years. If it then votes to be independent then it can decide whether to re-apply.

Godric wrote:

they can't stop it all SNP needs to do is resign all of their 56 seats and we campaign on the grounds of a simple majority = Independence quite simply win 30 of those 56 seats and declare independence