The Situation in the Ukraine. #2

Pathetic: Neo-cons in the U.S. senate failed to kick Russia out of the World Cup over Crimea. I'm not sure if they understand that America (unlike Brazil, and Spain) is a non-existent entity in international football affairs:

http://rt.com/news/fifa-football-russia-worldcup-089/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

arpakola wrote:

Blackwater's instructor trains Ukrainian neo-nazis

Look at the weapons on the table.

TAR-21 israeli weapons another proof they got their fingers in coups in countries like it was proven in lybia,syria and egypt.

Don't forget South Sudan, the rebellion in Sudan was started by a guy (John Garang) who was documented to have went to Israel to be trained in military tactics, but look at South Sudan now...their killing amongst each other, and South Sudan is undergoing the largest negative economic growth rate in the world today by a whopping negative 47%...for freedom and democracy of course:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(real)_growth_rate

  I'm shocked by Your hitleroid thinking, there is always have to be evil Jew. You are no different then those rabid Nazis in Ukraine, you just happen to support other side.
I can take You seriously if You come up with such shit like Israeli blackwater(what the hell is that?) and You even have all the information about this person and Tavors in the picture.

First of all Israel didn't condemn Russian actions in Crimea. They expressed worries about Jews in Ukraine. Crimean Jews are generally welcomed joining Russia. Not to mention Russian Jews in Israel even those who are anti-Putin supported him or kept silent.

Now для особо тупых, Tavors You see in the picture are made in Ukraine or bought for special forces as seen in 2009-2012 period. If they are made locally they should be chambered with 5.45.

And about the looks of instructor.. Are you children or what? Israeli blackwater? Such thing doesn't even exist. Anyways he has typical hohol lips, but only way to find out would as him if he likes salo.
If you would only showed any real interest instead of discrediting yourselves and spewing anti-Semitism against few people that actually are OK with Russian actions.

magnumcromagnon wrote:Pathetic: Neo-cons in the U.S. senate failed to kick Russia out of the World Cup over Crimea. I'm not sure if they understand that America (unlike Brazil, and Spain) is a non-existent entity in international football affairs:

http://rt.com/news/fifa-football-russia-worldcup-089/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

I read that and laughed. US is really trying too hard. As well, this just shows the world what us is and how easy it is to ignore them.

 as if there is no local instructors to teach clueless kids how to operate simple ass weapon. Has to be effing blackwater lol. I'm pretty sure You haven't served in the military to even think about this idea is ridiculous.

You know men have to back up what they say, prove me that this person is not Ukrainian. Give facts, not hollow crap you come up with.
I can only ask you to be a man and show me links, pictures or whatsoever of

• Your claims about western ops.
  British sniper rifles being found in the car
  Foreign special forces shooting at both sides
  

I don't care about made up facts or your opinion as it's worth zil nothing. Just like mine. But I try to back it up as You've seen with Fort produced Tavor which You guys claimed to be secret Israel weapon import.
And I'm not a kid I don't want to play word games as I don't give a flying duck about semantics, You understand what I've sound and now You've started pulling straws out.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anti-semitism

I personally have zero doubt about westerners meddling in these affairs while Russia was staying out and planning for the worst. Even all out war or massacre to happen.
Snipers were shooting at cops and protesters, definitely, we even have it on cameras when people got shot at their backs, they got hit from hotel Ukraina, and SBU forces shot at them as well later on. They were in a crossfire.
There are videos where armed protesters are shooting and running away to hide in the buildings and using humans as cover.
Let's not forget are groups in Ukraine that hate each other even if they have common goals so killing their own means nothing for them.
But are they special forces? Or idiots from Right sector or Svoboda freaks? There are few suspects. If it's Svoboda they things will be brushed under carpet, if it's Right sector, they will just blame everything on them.
Only thing I hate is speculation on wild theories. If I would want to hear those nonsense I would speak with women.

One would have to be blind to not notice western involvment in anything that resorts to chaos in a country. It was no secret when USAid was funding Russian opposition and hilary clinton admitted it.

sepheronx wrote:One would have to be blind to not notice western involvment in anything that resorts to chaos in a country. It was no secret when USAid was funding Russian opposition and hilary clinton admitted it.

TRUE.
But it's easier for people to ignore the facts and not draw logical conclusions, because that might make the rose-tinted glasses fall off of their face.
It's much easier to 'follow the narrative'...

actually from the economic side and profit crimea will benefit russia.!!

1.Now the south stream gas pipeline will go trough russian aqatorial waters ,so turkey is out and it wil not get transit fees (turkey was in to avoid ukraine waters), and Gasprom can choose whether to enter romania or bulgaria.

2.Pipeline will also be cheaper, bit shorter ,but mostly because it will be built more on dry land (over crimea) and less of it in the sea.

3.Lets not forget now russia can charge more for gas from ukraine and can cancel payments for sevastopol!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Black_Sea_relief_location_map_with_exclusive_economic_zones.svg/532px-Black_Sea_relief_location_map_with_exclusive_economic_zones.svg.png

4.Just if 20% of russian summer tourists decide to stay in the crimea it would be full 100% and that money will stay in Russia instead of going to turkey or eu...

So from russian side they took the best economic part of ukraine. 

Regular wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

arpakola wrote:

Blackwater's instructor trains Ukrainian neo-nazis

Look at the weapons on the table.

TAR-21 israeli weapons another proof they got their fingers in coups in countries like it was proven in lybia,syria and egypt.

Don't forget South Sudan, the rebellion in Sudan was started by a guy (John Garang) who was documented to have went to Israel to be trained in military tactics, but look at South Sudan now...their killing amongst each other, and South Sudan is undergoing the largest negative economic growth rate in the world today by a whopping negative 47%...for freedom and democracy of course:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(real)_growth_rate

  I'm shocked by Your hitleroid thinking, there is always have to be evil Jew. You are no different then those rabid Nazis in Ukraine, you just happen to support other side.
I can take You seriously if You come up with such shit like Israeli blackwater(what the hell is that?) and You even have all the information about this person and Tavors in the picture.

First of all Israel didn't condemn Russian actions in Crimea. They expressed worries about Jews in Ukraine. Crimean Jews are generally welcomed joining Russia. Not to mention Russian Jews in Israel even those who are anti-Putin supported him or kept silent.

Now для особо тупых, Tavors You see in the picture are made in Ukraine or bought for special forces as seen in 2009-2012 period. If they are made locally they should be chambered with 5.45.

And about the looks of instructor.. Are you children or what? Israeli blackwater? Such thing doesn't even exist. Anyways he has typical hohol lips, but only way to find out would as him if he likes salo.
If you would only showed any real interest instead of discrediting yourselves and spewing anti-Semitism against few people that actually are OK with Russian actions.

Well lets be honest, I don't believe in the theories of a secretive Jewish world order that controls everything, but what I do believe in is that the Israeli's (as well as other NATO affiliated groups) tend to more-often-than-not engage in covert nation-state destabilization activities.

Regular wrote: as if there is no local instructors to teach clueless kids how to operate simple ass weapon. Has to be effing blackwater lol. I'm pretty sure You haven't served in the military to even think about this idea is ridiculous.

You know men have to back up what they say, prove me that this person is not Ukrainian. Give facts, not hollow crap you come up with.
I can only ask you to be a man and show me links, pictures or whatsoever of

• Your claims about western ops.
  British sniper rifles being found in the car
  Foreign special forces shooting at both sides
  

I don't care about made up facts or your opinion as it's worth zil nothing. Just like mine. But I try to back it up as You've seen with Fort produced Tavor which You guys claimed to be secret Israel weapon import.
And I'm not a kid I don't want to play word games as I don't give a flying duck about semantics, You understand what I've sound and now You've started pulling straws out.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anti-semitism

I personally have zero doubt about westerners meddling in these affairs while Russia was staying out and planning for the worst. Even all out war or massacre to happen.
Snipers were shooting at cops and protesters, definitely, we even have it on cameras when people got shot at their backs, they got hit from hotel Ukraina, and SBU forces shot at them as well later on. They were in a crossfire.
There are videos where armed protesters are shooting and running away to hide in the buildings and using humans as cover.
Let's not forget are groups in Ukraine that hate each other even if they have common goals so killing their own means nothing for them.
But are they special forces? Or idiots from Right sector or Svoboda freaks? There are few suspects. If it's Svoboda they things will be brushed under carpet, if it's Right sector, they will just blame everything on them.
Only thing I hate is speculation on wild theories. If I would want to hear those nonsense I would speak with women.

In many cases, foreign military instructors have been special forces, and not regular grunts.
So, as far as that nat/guard training is concerned, involvement of foreign instructors cannot be discounted. Of course, wearing sunglasses doesn't automatically mean that the picture guy is a SEAL either   

That goes for "legit" military formations.
As for those "armed street thugs", large foreign involvement is unlikely, because those were present for a very long time, with enough local connections even among local elites.

An interesting fact: although that EU summit only took place in November 28-29, "trizub" members were told to go underground and start militant activities in November 21, the same day Verkhovna Rada refused to allow Timoshenko to go abroad. Makes you think that maybe they knew something that mere mortals didn't   

Jesus one big fool denying hard facts that were proven and also presented in exact this thread just 2 weeks ago.

I wouldn't be so quick on calling someone fool if I were You. Did You even read my message before You went on all that emotional answer? Man up.

British forces trained maidan facists in estonia how to use direct mines (claymore like), RPG's, sniper rifles, assault rifles,pistols, mines and how to sabotage infrastructure and first aid of combat wounds.

Now You are saying it was british. Do You judge by the flag in some pictures? Why not Americans then? I wonder how wild is your imagination if You can come up with conclusions like that.
By the way I've attended similar camps from the age of 16, every three months.

Weapons training, and yes you dummy you have to be teached how to use "simple weapons" people who haven't served like you are ofcourse educated by video games to suggest otherwise.

So by Your logic only Israel blackwater can teach people how to shoot Fort made Tavor rifles which were used by Ukraine from 2009?  I was teaching kids from KASP how to handle weapons too, does it make DELTA SPECZNAZ?

British Sniper rifles were given.

Wow  Why I am even replying if You don't even know nothing about weapons?! This rifle British as You and I. Sako TRG 22/44 as used by Russians as well.

Theory of lessons from british guy in terrorism and sabotage tactics.

Prove he is british. I just can buy it from You. And what terrorism? It's diplomas he is writing on and there are pictures of him later distributing them. It was scout course. I have to say we are not blessed with so much weapons, we had 1 AKM per 5 people. There are people from Estonian defence league and Young shooters are majority of "officers".

Their weapons and explosive arsenal for this maidan fools.

Yeah and they took it back home  Haha! It was in 2006.

This alledged Berkut Forces or in some western conspiracy theories "russian blackops" which we saw like on this picture.

They are not Berkut. Ever heard about SBU?

The yellow band around arm resemblence.

You must be special. Tell me You are JOKING!

This exact guys were beheading real police officers on open streets.

He is not in police uniform. He is ragtag protester without the head.  What happened I'm not sure. People say he lost his head when he fell in front of the bus. But his chest should be crushed too, so it is a mistery  He is definetly no LEO as You can see all the dead on the sources

Complete nuts like you who deny FACTS, evidences we have and know, are those same people who are responsible that such shit can happen in the first place.

What did I deny exactly? I never denied this  Does he look like SF to You?

Hey pals, why don't we cut this "discussion" of yours, and move along?

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Whoa, what's this about?   
http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1520860.html

Friendship Train - 2

   Commander
       April 3 , 20:28



   Comrades from the South- East report that instead and did not go anywhere and Bandera " Friendship Train " in the Crimea, to help the plotters and fascists hurry " Friendship Train " from Russia . As previously discussed, some Russian opposition in the fight against the Putin regime , ready to be blocked even outright fascists , and we clearly saw the example of Ukrainian events as part of the liberal opposition and a number of radical left and right wing , actually sided with the coup from which palpably carries fascism. ( Close )


   And if the majority of this cohort is limited to " sitting room " in support of the struggle " evromaydana ", some have decided to support a coup and personally engaged in the organization " Russian friendship train ."

   Characters from the following list :

   Peter Kostiuk - https://www.facebook.com/petrnnov
   Catherine Muldowney - https://www.facebook.com/katmaldon
   Vladimir Malyshev - https://www.facebook.com/vladimir.malysev

   represent the so-called "Russian Committee for Solidarity with the Maidan » http://www.kasparov.ru/material.php?id=52EA5BA14E075.

   "Committee " was created with the participation of the organization "For Human Rights » http://zaprava.ru/ acting with the support of " Soros " http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/. Oversee the share will appear , a spokeswoman for the Soros Foundation , Gomez MaKrizne that have recently visited the organization "For Human Rights ", where consistent problem " for the train of friendship ."
   Already known and some of the trips that will try to speak on behalf of Russia ( and that is how they will be covered in the Ukrainian media ) in support of the fascist coup .

   Catherine Muldowney https://www.facebook.com/katmaldon
   Alexander Baroshin https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000607736595
   Irina Berlyand https://www.facebook.com/irina.berlyand
   Vladimir Shreydler https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004709492896
   Roman Zaitsev ( with his wife ) https://www.facebook.com/roman.zaytsev.37
   Maxim Chekanov https://www.facebook.com/maxim.chekanov
   Peter Kostiuk https://www.facebook.com/petrnnov
   Igor Dmitriev https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003503166294
   Leo Lerman https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002590496472&fref=ufi
   Irina Svergun https://www.facebook.com/irindasv
   Anna Dombrovskaya https://www.facebook.com/annabanami85
   Ildar Dading https://www.facebook.com/ildar.dadin

   Plus probable participants :

   Gluhin Nicholas https://www.facebook.com/nikolkoff
   Irina Nesterov https://www.facebook.com/irena.nesterova
   Maria Ryabikova https://www.facebook.com/masha.ryabikova
   Tamara Zoltnere Tikhonov https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001254993266
   Vadim Tsvetkov https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001772512898
   Vera Lavreshina https://www.facebook.com/veradolgopjat
   Victoria Ivleva https://www.facebook.com/victoria.ivlevayorke
   Tamara Mazurova https://www.facebook.com/tamara.mazurova
   Anatoly Polyakov https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002604959086
   Akinari Simamura https://www.facebook.com/shimamura.akinari
   Irina Kalmikova https://www.facebook.com/alesa.malakan
   Nick Maksimyuk https://www.facebook.com/nika.maksimyuk

   Already stated that accompany the "Russian friendship train " will be self-defense units " evromaydana ", and the visit to the ongoing information war will be widely publicized loyal fascist junta media.

   The purpose of this action is very simple - to provide information and psychological impact on the population of the " South- East" and undermine his determination to resist the actions of the fascist junta , hypocritical talk of friendship with those of normal people who killed , kidnapped and tortured activists Southeast and threatened to repeat it Crimea , organizing " friendship train " version 1.0. Now the "Russian train friendship" with Russian liberals ready to fly to a meeting " Ukrainian friendship train " thundering Nazi slogans crush dissent and calls on a national basis .
   '
   Hard to say , such as participants ' peacekeeping tour "like LGBT activist Ildar Dading https://www.facebook.com/ildar.dadin be able to find a language with Ukrainian fascists , but it seems all hope is built on a united front on the basis of primitive Russophobia which clearly suffer as Ukrainian fascists , and a considerable part of Russian liberals.
   Along the way, the problem will be solved informational support of staging a coup propaganda aimed at silencing and misrepresentation of Russophobian initiatives aimed at the establishment of discriminatory treatment in relation to the Russian-speaking population of South-East and its accelerated Ukrainianization in the spirit of the notorious initiatives times Yushchenko and Tymoshenko .

   The participants themselves trip, besides demonstrating ideological unity with the Ukrainian fascists apparently expect to receive practical experience in organizing " evromaydana " that they want to try to apply in Russia. Possible funding through " Soros " should help them do that . This topic was raised recently in " Spets.korrespondente " at Mammoth memorable . Actually, the main thing is that during the fake bolshnistva similar revolutions , under that mask coups , " Soros " actively participated and there is nothing unusual about its activities and active in the Ukrainian direction .

   In this respect , the activists of the Southeast have to prepare these "friends" suitable appointment because the South- East, these accomplices Ukrainian fascists are agents of decomposition , whose actions are aimed at weakening the resistance movement coup. In Russia itself, the prospects of this " demshizy " as the events of 2011-2012 , not very large , so they like the radical nationalists , seeking a way out his dreamworld of unrealized dreams in Ukraine. At the same fate -speaking population of South-East they are not very exciting. For them it is just a means to get regular Gesheft associated with the development of foreign grants to " promote democracy ." How much will then be killed and arrested people who disagree with the fascist coup - for these individuals question is not significant .

"Ukraine presidential candidate urges Germany to boycott Russian natural gas"
http://en.itar-tass.com/economy/726456
The presidential campaign has just started and Poroshenko is already going full retard!
If it weren't tragic it would be fun watching the coming weeks..

"Medvedev signs resolution cancelling zero export duty on gas for Ukraine"
http://en.itar-tass.com/economy/726482
Now that the BSF is secure full pressure on Ukraine is applied. Not sure about the outcome though.

Deleted, probably those are just rumors.

Israel snopping around for missile technology

Russian sensation: Israel covets Ukraine on missile technology

Crimea Crisis: Russia Tells U.S. To Chill Out, 'Practice Yoga'

MOSCOW -- Russia’s deputy foreign minister accused the U.S. of having "childish tantrums” in response to the annexation of Crimea and joked Thursday that Americans should “practice yoga” and watch sitcoms in order to help them chill out.

Sergey Ryabkov said the decision to end all military cooperation with Russia and remove it from the G-8 group of nations showed that Washington was opposed “to the free will of the population of Crimea.”

In an interview with state news agency Interfax, Ryabkov said the U.S. was struggling to “come to terms” with Russia’s move to bring Ukraine’s Black Sea peninsula under its control.

In the latest break in relations, NASA on Wednesday said it was severing ties with Russia except for the International Space Station.

Ryabkov said: “What can we suggest to our American colleagues? To spend more time outdoors, practice yoga, separate their food groups and perhaps watch comedies on television.”

That would be better than getting worked up, he said, because the situation will not change and "childish tantrums, tears and hysterics will not help matters."

Right Sector gets out of the hotel WITH their weapons,..!!

http://svpressa.ru/society/article/84830/

So let me get this straight: Verkhovna rada actually approved and welcomed crimean tatars' right for self determination??