Project 21631: Buyan-M missile ship

Why are the sterns painted black?

The exhausts are on the sides -> black hides diesel soot stains.

medo wrote:Ice strengthened ships could be for Baltic fleet. Neither Black Sea nether Caspian Sea freeze.

Not true. The Northern parts of the Caspian can freeze in winter, though the southern reaches are generally ice free. The Black Sea is mostly ice-free but can form in the Northern reaches, particularly the Sea of Azov.

Although they are based on a river patrol ship platform, the pr. 21631 Buyan-M can deal with adverse sea conditions.

Here is a video of the Veliky Ustyug (2nd ship of the class) in stormy seas:

Hmm that huge swimming pool of green water sitting on the foredeck is not exactly 'handling' those not exactly super big seas well
Probably about as nasty as the Caspian gets though, pretty horribly short & steep.
I note Buyan-M has relatively small scuppers, could be opened up significantly if that was being a big enough issue.

Bunch of detail shots of Uglich at Baku for a military show http://fotografersha.livejournal.com/838153.html
Some good interesting technical detail shots, some ugly details, those interiors look like bad '70s kitsch but quite homely I guess, do worry about fires though with so much flammable material around

hoom wrote:Hmm that huge swimming pool of green water sitting on the foredeck is not exactly 'handling' those not exactly super big seas well
Probably about as nasty as the Caspian gets though, pretty horribly short & steep.
I note Buyan-M has relatively small scuppers, could be opened up significantly if that was being a big enough issue.

Bunch of detail shots of Uglich at Baku for a military show http://fotografersha.livejournal.com/838153.html
Some good interesting technical detail shots, some ugly details, those interiors look like bad '70s kitsch but quite homely I guess, do worry about fires though with so much flammable material around

Looks good actually, pretty cosy considering the amount of flak the ships get for supposedly having "stark" interiors. I'd live in that quite happily.

hoom wrote:Hmm that huge swimming pool of green water sitting on the foredeck is not exactly 'handling' those not exactly super big seas well
Probably about as nasty as the Caspian gets though, pretty horribly short & steep.
I note Buyan-M has relatively small scuppers, could be opened up significantly if that was being a big enough issue.

I'm sure the Naval Architects know what they're about...

Just posting links makes things pretty boring

And what's wrong with my analysis?
Tons of green water on the foredeck not quickly draining is absolutely undesirable.
Interior style is a matter of taste & while that interior may be more cosy than other interiors, I don't like that style.
But it's a fact that many navies put a lot of effort into minimising flammability of their interiors because fires at sea are bad news & while on 2nd view its really not as bad as my initial reaction there is still quite a bit of flammable stuff around that interior.

Zelenyy Dol & Serpukhov have gone out through the Bosporus presumably en-route to Tartus.


So I'm a little disappointed:
I've assumed a big bit of the point of building a bunch of these was it would be easy to transition Black - Caspian - Baltic (possibly White?) seas via the canal/river system to concentrate UKSK firepower but on Balancers forum they are saying getting to Baltic would be something like a 6mth project involving demounting stuff, which is a surprise

Basic L*W*D dimensions are well inside Volga-Don max but according to http://krambol.com/en/faq-volga-don-canal-details-and-description-chartering there is a 14m above water max, Buyan-M are 11m wide & the above pic shows height is definitely more than 3m taller than wide.
Zelenyy Dol & Serpukhov transitioned to Black Sea in this state & propelled by tugs, sea trials run in the Black sea after completion at Novorossisk.

It could still be done reasonably easy if tugs were just because of incomplete state & the top section of the mast is built demountable?

Looking welded here though  

Pictures from the small missile ship "Uglich"








Passive jamming system is designed to improve the effectiveness of the ship's air defense on final homing air attack by setting of electronic and opto-electronic leading away decoys.



CIWS AK-630-M2



2x6 3M-47 «Gibka» «Igla-1M» SAM system launchers


Centauro NM



14.5 mm machine gun mount is designed to combat enemy surface, coast and air lightly armored targets.


Marine optical finder.


Silhouettes of enemy airplanes of the Caspian states.


MR-352 Pozitiv-M1.2 phased array radar system


100 mm A-190 gun



Gun-fire control Radar MR-123 Vympel.
Right under is a complex TC-25 jamming, which can cause problems to nearby ships, causing the failure of the equipment.



2 × 4 UKSK VLS cells with Kalibr-NK system



Navigation bridge.





Interior rooms



Commander cabin


Dining room


Wardroom



Sailors cabin








http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2162591.html

UKSK bin diameter looks smaller than expected.

Rumored to be heading for Baltic rather than Tartous, Malta is certainly a big detour if heading for the latter...

hoom wrote:
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Rumored to be heading for Baltic rather than Tartous, Malta is certainly a big detour if heading for the latter...

I heard too. But why would they go to Baltic? There is nothing for them to do over there.



Also:

Buyan-Ms will be getting Pantsirs:

https://sputniknews.com/russia/201610101046174294-russia-missile-system-ship-radar/

I heard too. But why would they go to Baltic? There is nothing for them to do over there.

Indeed, it'd be an odd step.
Maybe they're just going to meet Kuznetsov? Or simply a show the flag.

Buyan-Ms will be getting Pantsirs:

Is a very interesting development.
It's kinda surprising that they didn't put Palma on them in the first place.

Somewhat mangled announcement though the original article http://izvestia.ru/news/636773 says

small missile ships "Buyan-M" type of project 20380

...
And not only once. Maybe just a brain-fart using wrong code but also calls Molniya class 'Project 12443' which should be 1241.1 (unless new project code?)
Then the Sputnik article mis-spells Pantsir & uses the NATO code name for Calibre...

Pantsir-M or Pantsir-SM? Surely -M

Balancer forum has this pic which could be the new radar mast


First mention I've seen of Naval Pantsir being in test, not seen any pics of such, though there has been a Molniya with Palash.

....calls Molniya class 'Project 12443' which should be 1241.1 (unless new project code?)

Off the top of my head I think it refers to two unfinished shelved 1241 boats that will be completed and armed with 16 Uran AShMs each.

PapaDragon wrote:

....calls Molniya class 'Project 12443' which should be 1241.1 (unless new project code?)

Off the top of my head I think it refers to two unfinished shelved 1241 boats that will be completed  and armed with 16 Uran AShMs each.

12418 is the proper designation.

http://russianships.info/eng/warfareboats/project_12411.htm

Off the top of my head I think it refers to two unfinished shelved 1241 boats that will be completed and armed with 16 Uran AShMs each.

But the article says Pantsir-M is testing now on a Molniya, can't be on an incomplete one.
But that may be part of the garbledness.

Edit: actually the sentence is

Yandex translate wrote: Now a new radar is being tested onboard a boat 12443 "Lightning", which we plan to complete by the end of the year.

Which I was reading as 'complete testing by the end of the year' but on 2nd look is probably 'plan to complete the ship by the end of the year'

They're in Ceuta now http://elpueblodeceuta.es/not/11544/casi-200-marineros-rusos-ya-se-encuentran-en-el-puerto-ceuti/

Google translate wrote:The three ships of the Russian Navy, which will remain in Ceuta until Wednesday, restock food and fuel

Since yesterday almost 200 Russian sailors are in the city. They are the crew of the three ships of the Russian Navy that will be until Wednesday at the port to rest and carrying out supplies. This is the corvettes 'Zeleny Dol' and 'Serpukhov' visiting the port for the first time, and the tug 'SB-36' was in the city in August last year along with other ships.

"Green Dol" and "Serpukhov" will be transferred to the Baltic?

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2204194.html

Heading for Kaliningrad?

Kalibre 2500Km range



Kalibre 1500Km range



In the North Sea yesterday

Hi,

I’m looking for the deck colours of the Project 21631 Buyan-M class Corvette of the Russian Navy.

The link bellow (in Cyirilic) shows detailed and high resolution photos with a Project 21631 Buyan-M class Corvette with the decks painted with a (new?) grey colour scheme, that I believe is the same grey colour used on the hull and structures.


Source : http://fotografersha.livejournal.com/838153.html


However, other photos shows the decks painted with the (traditional/old?) red brick colour.

Source: https://www.russiadefence.net/t3033p75-project-21631-buyan-m-corvette


More info about the Project 21631 Buyan-M class Corvettes:
http://forums.airbase.ru/2010/06/t70277--malyj-raketnyj-korabl-proekta-21631-buyan-m-proekt-21632-tor.html


Any comments regarding the colour decks issue is welcome!


Thanks.
Regards,
Ayala Botto

AyalaBotto wrote:Hi,

I’m looking for the deck colours of the Project 21631 Buyan-M class Corvette of the Russian Navy.

The link bellow (in Cyirilic) shows detailed and high resolution photos with a Project 21631 Buyan-M class Corvette with the decks painted with a (new?) grey colour scheme, that I believe is the same grey colour used on the hull and structures.


Source : http://fotografersha.livejournal.com/838153.html


However, other photos shows the decks painted with the (traditional/old?) red brick colour.

Source: https://www.russiadefence.net/t3033p75-project-21631-buyan-m-corvette


More info about the Project 21631 Buyan-M class Corvettes:
http://forums.airbase.ru/2010/06/t70277--malyj-raketnyj-korabl-proekta-21631-buyan-m-proekt-21632-tor.html


Any comments regarding the colour decks issue is welcome!


Thanks.
Regards,
Ayala Botto

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Could be just a paint availability thing?

Zeleny Dol had grey deck on the way to the Baltic while Serpukhov was red deck

But it looks to have gone red after repainting once it arrived (red at the bottom of the AK-630 Duet/mast)



Edit: Hmmm maybe just the light reflection on that pic actually, may have been red paint on the way out too

Then it could be the Caspian flotilla uses grey decks vs red on BSF/Baltic Fleet?

From what i am aware red is so called "base" paint that is there to protect aganist salt and corrosion in general, it supposed to be painted over by layer of "real paint", which was not the case on many Soviet ships however, including Peter the Great.