Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship #2

Next one has been launched, Askold at Kerch

No hiding the depth-marks here, someone goes to gulag?



Edit: Couple of pics of Odintsovo

Naaah, this blurring the markings was funny from the beginning.
As I said, VP is using materials shot at different times and occasions, that is why they can mix in one episode something that was top secret when they made that part of the material, and obvious when they released the film.
Still, good to see Kerch on line.

So, engine or no engine?

PapaDragon wrote:
So, engine or no engine?

Not sure if you are asking seriously or this is a sarcasm
But from my experience, this piece is engined for sure.
In some rare cases, shipyards do float hulks without aggregates, even as big as engines - but this is pure piracy.
Only the ones balancing on the edge of collapse, with no cash flow and liquidity, do such a mess.
The goal is to get another payment, that is settled for another stage of production. But this piece is a way to complete, and a way to compact to play a game of cutting it to put the missing engines.
This would be an answer to another interpretation of your question - yes, seems they solved the access to new engines, too.

ALAMO wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
So, engine or no engine?

Not sure if you are asking seriously or this is a sarcasm...

I am dead serious

Russian Navy has massive problems with engines

Pella shipyard has several Karakurts just sitting in the water for years waiting for engines that aren't coming

Pella is in much better shape considering the ongoing projects than a Zaliv, that functionally resurrected.
I guess that they just optimized deliveries there. Let's wait and find out.

Some photos more of "Ascold", scond ship launched in Kerch shipyard









The "Askold" is the second ship under construction of the contract signed on August 5, 2016 between the Ministry of Defense of Russia with JSC Zelenodolsk Plant for the construction of five serial small missile ships (MRK) of project 22800 for the Russian Navy.

The construction of 3 of the 5 RTOs ordered under this contract is being carried out in Kerch.

-Lead project 22800 under this contract "Cyclone"(serial number 801) was quietly laid down at the Zaliv shipyard in Kerch on July 26, 2016. "Cyclone" was launched in Kerch on July 24, 2020 and is currently preparing for the start of factory sea trials in Novorossiysk.

-The second project 22800 "Askold" (serial number 802) under construction in Kerch was laid down there on November 18, 2016 and has now been launched.

-Also in Kerch,the third MRK "Amur" (serial number 803), laid down on July 30, 2017.

2 of the 5 of the contract above iat Zelenodolsk Shipyard:

-On February 26, 2019, the [b"]Tucha" MRK (serial number 804)[/b] was laid down at Zelenodolsk Shipyard, which became the first ship of project 22800, which is actually being built in Zelenodolsk.

-On September 11, 2019 in Zelenodolsk, the same type of RTO "Taifun" (serial number 805) was laid .

Let us recall that theproject 22800 (code "Karakurt") was developed by JSC "Central Marine Design Bureau" Almaz "(St. Petersburg) and should replace the MRK of project 21631 ("Buyan-M") developed by JSC" Zelenodolsk design bureau".

The construction of the first seven RTOs of project 22800 since 2015 has been carried out by JSC Leningrad Shipbuilding Plant Pella (Otradnoye, Leningrad Region), which by now has delivered the first three ships of this type that entered service with the Baltic Fleet
- "Mytishchi" (laid under the name Hurricane ", renamed in 2018, serial number 251, commissioned by the Navy on December 17, 2018),
- "Sovetsk" (laid under the name" Typhoon ", serial number 252, commissioned on October 12, 2019) and
- "Odintsovo" (serial number 253, was laid under the name "Shkval", put into operation on November 21, 2020).

The completion of the construction at the Pella plant, which is protracted due to problems with the supply of the main diesel engines, is
- the fourth MRK of this project "Burya" (serial number 257, launched on October 23, 2018), as well as three more ships of the project 22800
- "Kozelsk" (Laid as" Storm ", serial number 254)
- "Okhotsk" (serial number 255) and
- "Vikhr" (serial number 256), the hulls of which were built at the FSUE "Shipyard Sea" in Feodosia (Crimea) and then towed along inland waterways to Pella for completion in November 2019 - May 2020.

Four more RTOs of project 22800 are being built at Amurskiy Shipbuilding Plant (ASZ) in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, where they were laid down in 2019-2020 - Rzhev, Udomlya, Pavlovsk and Ussuriysk (factory numbers 201 to 204). Earlier, two more ships were contracted by Vostochnaya Verf JSC (Vladivostok), but in September 2020, the Russian Ministry of Defense canceled the contract for them.

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4400982.html

Russian navy to get at least three Karakurt-class corvettes in 2021-2022 — source

https://tass.com/defense/1351591

PapaDragon wrote:

ALAMO wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
So, engine or no engine?

Not sure if you are asking seriously or this is a sarcasm...

I am dead serious

Russian Navy has massive problems with engines

Pella shipyard has several Karakurts just sitting in the water for years waiting for engines that aren't coming

I wouldn`t say that the Navy as a whole has massive problems with engines, but JSC Zvezda of S. Peterburg surely has a problem with their high-speed seven-row engines for these missile ships. As I see, the most successful are nuclear powerplants for SSBN and SSNs. Kolomna diesels are also rather good, similar to Pielstick PA-6 family. Gas turbine production is revving up after quitting the deal with the Ukropistani company. In the clip above I cannot see the ship freely lying in the water, so I can`t say whether it is a bare hull or it is engined.

Small missile ships of project 22800 "Karakurt" will strengthen the Pacific Fleet

Today, 14: 46

Small missile ships of project 22800 "Karakurt" will strengthen the Pacific Fleet. The Ministry of Defense made a decision to introduce RTOs into the Primorskaya flotilla diverse forces of the Pacific Fleet.

The military department decided to equip the 165th brigade for the protection of the water area, stationed in Vladivostok, with new MRK "Karakurt". In its structure, the "Karakurt" should replace the Soviet-built Project 1241 missile boats. As they write "News" citing military sources, the delivery of new RTOs will depend on the timing of the state defense order.

As planned by the military, the Karakurt stationed in Vladivostok will be responsible for the defense of the main naval base of the Pacific Fleet, as well as Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands. If necessary, they can be transferred to Kamchatka. It is emphasized that RTOs are capable of striking not only sea targets, but also ground targets. Depending on their missions, they can carry Caliber cruise missiles or Onyx anti-ship missiles.

Currently, six RTOs of the Karakurt project have been ordered for the Pacific Fleet, the agreement provides for the construction of four RTOs at the Amur shipyard and two more at Vostochnaya Verf in Vladivostok. According to the available information, RTOs will begin to arrive at the Pacific Fleet from next year, but this is not certain, since these data are unofficial. However, it is safe to say that the construction of the series is underway.

The 22800 small rocket ships are the Russian series of multi-purpose rocket and artillery ships of the near-sea zone (small corvettes). The main purpose of the ISCs is to conduct combat operations in the near-sea zone and perform tasks independently and as part of ship groups.

RTOs "Karakurt" have a length of 67 meters, a width of 11 meters and a draft of 4 meters. Displacement - about 800 tons, cruising range - up to 2500 miles, autonomy - 15 days. The main armament is one PU UKSK (universal ship complex) 3S14 RK for 8 KR "Caliber", one 76-mm gun mount AK-176MA, ZRPK "Pantsir-M", two 14.5-mm or 12,7-mm machine gun mounts MTPU.

https://en.topwar.ru/189743-malye-raketnye-korabli-proekta-22800-karakurt-usiljat-tihookeanskij-flot.html

Either another example of dumbass journalists or a small modification took place...

Hole wrote:
Either another example of dumbass journalists or a small modification took place...

In what regard?

franco wrote:

Hole wrote:
Either another example of dumbass journalists or a small modification took place...

In what regard?

Added a torpedo in the picture (back)

PapaDragon wrote:

franco wrote:

Hole wrote:
Either another example of dumbass journalists or a small modification took place...

In what regard?

Added a torpedo in the picture (back)

This was announced earlier. They wanted to give it some ASW capability, not sure about the sonar (possible towed ones) or if it is to work with 20380's.

EDIT: looks like a lift or crane behind the torpedo so perhaps a towed sonar.

NOTE: remember having read something but this article seems to refer to a dedicated ASW version. Remember having read somewhere that ASW ability was to be added effective at some point in the production run and then retrofitted to the previous ones.

Russia to Develop ASW Variant of Project 22800 Corvette

Project 22800 Karakurt-class corvettes will become the basis for the development of small antisubmarine warfare ships. They will reliably defend the Russian coast from adversary submarines. The small ships will make it difficult to track Russian nuclear ballistic missile submarines close to the naval bases where they are the most vulnerable, the Izvestia daily writes.

The Defense Ministry decided to design antisubmarine ships on the basis of project 22800. Sources in the ministry told the newspaper the technical characteristics, arms and equipment were being specified.

The antisubmarine ships can operate in coastal waters of the Baltic, Black, Barents Seas and the Seas of Japan and Okhotsk, expert Dmitry Boltenkov said:

   “The available antisubmarine ships were built yet for the Soviet fleet. It is time for a replacement. Karakurt hull is a good option for a future warship. It has a low signature due to stealth technologies. The ship has modern combat controls, guidance provision and communications. It will not take long to remake the ships. Sonars and antisubmarine weapons, such as rocket-assisted bomb launchers and Paket-NK to fight submarines and torpedoes are likely to replace Kalibr missiles,”

The sea hunters defend naval bases and coastal waters from submarines and subversions, former Navy Chief-of-Staff Admiral Valentin Selivanov said:

   “If hostilities begin, they have to clear the waters of the adversary. They also defend ballistic missile nuclear submarines which sail out for combat duty. The hunters will not make it possible to intercept our submarines close to the bases and will thus guarantee a retaliation strike,”

The crews of the corvettes and antisubmarine ships will be trained by one curriculum, except for cruise missile and antisubmarine operators. It will save time and money, Boltenkov believes.

The new antisubmarine ships will replace Albatros-class small antisubmarine warfare ships of project 1124 which were built for the Soviet Navy in 1970-1980s. Close to 90 ships of various modifications were produced. The Black Sea fleet still operates six ships of project 1124M. Another six are in the Northern fleet and eight in the Pacific fleet. The Baltic fleet operates project 1331 ships built in East Germany.

The ships have a good speed and seaworthiness and continue to defend seaports from hostile submarines. They also escort and defend Russian warships and submarines. The Navy is beginning to upgrade them. The ships will get modernized digital sonars and antisubmarine weapons. The power plants will be replaced. The upgrade will extend the life cycle for many years, however the fleet needs modern antisubmarine ships, the Izvestia said.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2019/11/russian-navy-to-develop-asw-variant-of-project-22800-corvette-to-secure-russian-navy-ssbn-deployments/

The design is good. If they scale it up, it can be a leading world class destroyer / cruiser ala Type 055. I'd rather have a few large blue ocean ships than many green water ships. Fewer types, better logistics, lower cost.

Trials continue