Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News #1

KomissarBojanchev wrote:Should we regret that the Varyag was sold to the chinese? Was there any effect on the Russian economy from the money the deal? Would Russia have less ships built if it was never sold? If you think it was worth it, why do you think a few hundred million gotten from an iffy ally would justify destroying 50% of your blue water capability that will likely never be restored until mid century?

KomissarBojanchev wrote:Should we regret that the Varyag was sold to the chinese? Was there any effect on the Russian economy from the money the deal? Would Russia have less ships built if it was never sold? If you think it was worth it, why do you think a few hundred million gotten from an iffy ally would justify destroying 50% of your blue water capability that will likely never be restored until mid century?

GarryB wrote:In the longer term having basically an extra Kuznetsov would not be as useful as having a more modern vessel instead of it.

In the short term having two ships would mean better readiness as when one vessel is in dock for an overhaul or upgrade the other can be available for training or operations.

The thing is that the main difference is that if they still had the other vessel they would have a carrier platform available for the next 3-4 years while the K is in overhaul/upgrade.

I doubt that will actually prove critical as they have gotten by without needing a carrier till recently and if it was not available... as it wont be for a few years now I am sure they will find other alternatives.

The main point of their fixed wing carriers is to provide an extra layer of protection for their ships and to extend vision via AEW aircraft and fighter aircraft.

For a few years they wont have that and then they will again.

I would say the money they got was probably more useful than the cost of keeping two carriers operating and indeed the upgrades needed to keep them operational.

In a decade or so when they get two into service they will likely not only be in a better position to actually need them but will also have better support to operate them.

For instance having foreign ports around the world where they can go and operate from would make them rather more valuable than they are now.

Militarov wrote:

KomissarBojanchev wrote:Should we regret that the Varyag was sold to the chinese? Was there any effect on the Russian economy from the money the deal? Would Russia have less ships built if it was never sold? If you think it was worth it, why do you think a few hundred million gotten from an iffy ally would justify destroying 50% of your blue water capability that will likely never be restored until mid century?

To explain you in short, it would be still there rusting away.

KomissarBojanchev wrote:

Militarov wrote:

KomissarBojanchev wrote:Should we regret that the Varyag was sold to the chinese? Was there any effect on the Russian economy from the money the deal? Would Russia have less ships built if it was never sold? If you think it was worth it, why do you think a few hundred million gotten from an iffy ally would justify destroying 50% of your blue water capability that will likely never be restored until mid century?

To explain you in short, it would be still there rusting away.

Since it would be given priority, i doubt that.
Better have a rusty carrier than one in computers.

Militarov wrote:

KomissarBojanchev wrote:

Militarov wrote:

KomissarBojanchev wrote:Should we regret that the Varyag was sold to the chinese? Was there any effect on the Russian economy from the money the deal? Would Russia have less ships built if it was never sold? If you think it was worth it, why do you think a few hundred million gotten from an iffy ally would justify destroying 50% of your blue water capability that will likely never be restored until mid century?

To explain you in short, it would be still there rusting away.

Since it would be given priority, i doubt that.
Better have a rusty carrier than one in computers.

There is another Slava rusting away in Ukraine, Russians did not buy it even tho they had decade and a half to do so. No moneyuz.

Militarov wrote:

KomissarBojanchev wrote:

Militarov wrote:

KomissarBojanchev wrote:Should we regret that the Varyag was sold to the chinese? Was there any effect on the Russian economy from the money the deal? Would Russia have less ships built if it was never sold? If you think it was worth it, why do you think a few hundred million gotten from an iffy ally would justify destroying 50% of your blue water capability that will likely never be restored until mid century?

To explain you in short, it would be still there rusting away.

Since it would be given priority, i doubt that.
Better have a rusty carrier than one in computers.

There is another Slava rusting away in Ukraine, Russians did not buy it even tho they had decade and a half to do so. No moneyuz.

Isos wrote:

Militarov wrote:

KomissarBojanchev wrote:

Militarov wrote:

KomissarBojanchev wrote:Should we regret that the Varyag was sold to the chinese? Was there any effect on the Russian economy from the money the deal? Would Russia have less ships built if it was never sold? If you think it was worth it, why do you think a few hundred million gotten from an iffy ally would justify destroying 50% of your blue water capability that will likely never be restored until mid century?

To explain you in short, it would be still there rusting away.

Since it would be given priority, i doubt that.
Better have a rusty carrier than one in computers.

There is another Slava rusting away in Ukraine, Russians did not buy it even tho they had decade and a half to do so. No moneyuz.

They wanted to buy it for 1 million$ IIRC, the ship is in a very bad state that's why they didn't gave more. Ukraine is spending some millions $ for just kipping it at port, they should have gave it them for a symbolic dollar.

They wanted to buy it for 1 million$ IIRC, the ship is in a very bad state that's why they didn't gave more. Ukraine is spending some millions $ for just kipping it at port, they should have gave it them for a symbolic dollar.

Well in hindsight they should've stopped all funding for construction of gorshkov or anything amur shipyard related since they'll never get built anyway and should've bought any big soviet boats ukraine still had left

Even if Ukraine paid to remove that scrap heap it would still be idiotic to accept it.

From wiki wrote:It was reported that the Ukrainian government invested 6.08 million UAH into the ship's maintenance in 2012.[10]

From wiki wrote:It was reported that the Ukrainian government invested 6.08 million UAH into the ship's maintenance in 2012.[10]

Isos wrote:

Even if Ukraine paid to remove that scrap heap it would still be idiotic to accept it.

Not really, if they can upgrade the ships sensors and put S-400 (not redut) and Oniks instead of S-300 and Bazalt, it can be a good deal for a ship of that size. They achieved to do it to a Kirov class, they could do it with this one too.

From wiki wrote:It was reported that the Ukrainian government invested 6.08 million UAH into the ship's maintenance in 2012.[10]

That is beans, its less than 250.000 USD.