Yemeni Conflict: News

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Fred333 wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Fred333 wrote:well at least it is now possible to compensate the wahhabi apologist videos of "FSA" groups blowing up SAA stuff with videos of Houthis blowing up Saudi stuff

Yeah but that order of magnitude though. 30K USD Tow's blowing up marginally more expensive equipment. While 8K USD Konkurs wreck millions per shot. Wasn't it Dfarce that said Western Equipment is on par with Soviet? I guess the accountants will opine to the contrary.

WvO: Nope as you can see the said video clearly shows you only have to hit the M1 right. Upper Flank shot, ammo brew almost instantly, huge conflagration and what looks as a complete spillover to the fighting compartment (you can see it blew off the floor trap). Saudi BBQ ribs included. BTW the ATGM flies 10 seconds at 200m/sec =2000m range. The second attack is even closer.

Which makes me think WTF do the Saudis use those Thermals for?

A tank is only as good as its crew, an army is only as good as its soldiers /cliche
One destroyed M1 is more expensive than 5? 8? destroyed T-72s? Difference is, Syria cannot afford the manpower and equipment losses, KSA can, they still have lots of money to burn and legions of Wahhabi zombies to bother other countries with...

You say that but you haven't taken in to account that the majority of Saudi oil is in Eastern Saudi Arabia, with demographics that are predominately Shiite. If the war ends up spilling heavily in to Saudi territory, it'll only be a matter of time before the Shia population starts to rebel, in which we may very well see the Saudi govt. being cut off from large portions of their oil.

You also haven't taken in to account the global oil glut initiated by the GCC, in which hydrocarbon sales garner significantly less revenue.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:We would need heavy Saudi defeat in Yemen in order to see that.

Personally, I would like to see a large scale war between Iran and Gulf nations in Iraq - can you imagine 100,000 IRGC vs th entire Saudi and Emirati army?

There is however a question how would Turkey and US react to tha - remember that fall of Saudi oil-rich terrtories to Iran means nearly inevitable fall of Kuwait and Bahrain - and if that happens, Iran would be in control of ca . 60% of world oil reserves. Who wants to see that?

KoTeMoRe wrote:Which makes me think WTF do the Saudis use those Thermals for?

medo wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Which makes me think WTF do the Saudis use those Thermals for?

To watch a woman under burka.

Fred333 wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Fred333 wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Fred333 wrote:well at least it is now possible to compensate the wahhabi apologist videos of "FSA" groups blowing up SAA stuff with videos of Houthis blowing up Saudi stuff

Yeah but that order of magnitude though. 30K USD Tow's blowing up marginally more expensive equipment. While 8K USD Konkurs wreck millions per shot. Wasn't it Dfarce that said Western Equipment is on par with Soviet? I guess the accountants will opine to the contrary.

WvO: Nope as you can see the said video clearly shows you only have to hit the M1 right. Upper Flank shot, ammo brew almost instantly, huge conflagration and what looks as a complete spillover to the fighting compartment (you can see it blew off the floor trap). Saudi BBQ ribs included. BTW the ATGM flies 10 seconds at 200m/sec =2000m range. The second attack is even closer.

Which makes me think WTF do the Saudis use those Thermals for?

A tank is only as good as its crew, an army is only as good as its soldiers /cliche
One destroyed M1 is more expensive than 5? 8? destroyed T-72s? Difference is, Syria cannot afford the manpower and equipment losses, KSA can, they still have lots of money to burn and legions of Wahhabi zombies to bother other countries with...

You say that but you haven't taken in to account that the majority of Saudi oil is in Eastern Saudi Arabia, with demographics that are predominately Shiite. If the war ends up spilling heavily in to Saudi territory, it'll only be a matter of time before the Shia population starts to rebel, in which we may very well see the Saudi govt. being cut off from large portions of their oil.

You also haven't taken in to account the global oil glut initiated by the GCC, in which hydrocarbon sales garner significantly less revenue.

I did not know that, you learn something new everyday...I must say the prospect of such troubles for the Saudis fills me with great joy, not sure how likely the Shia there are to rebel though.

medo wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Which makes me think WTF do the Saudis use those Thermals for?

To watch a woman under burka.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

medo wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Which makes me think WTF do the Saudis use those Thermals for?

To watch a woman under burka.

Man, you'll have to wait until tomorrow to get your upvote ;-) /

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Fred333 wrote:well at least it is now possible to compensate the wahhabi apologist videos of "FSA" groups blowing up SAA stuff with videos of Houthis blowing up Saudi stuff

Yeah but that order of magnitude though. 30K USD Tow's blowing up marginally more expensive equipment. While 8K USD Konkurs wreck millions per shot. Wasn't it Dfarce that said Western Equipment is on par with Soviet? I guess the accountants will opine to the contrary.

WvO: Nope as you can see the said video clearly shows you only have to hit the M1 right. Upper Flank shot, ammo brew almost instantly, huge conflagration and what looks as a complete spillover to the fighting compartment (you can see it blew off the floor trap). Saudi BBQ ribs included. BTW the ATGM flies 10 seconds at 200m/sec =2000m range. The second attack is even closer.

Which makes me think WTF do the Saudis use those Thermals for?

Well, the ammo compartment of M1 Abrams is designed in such a way that even ammo cookoff is not usually catastrophic - usually the compartment utself is burned but the crew has a high chance of surviving and the tank itself can be repaired and brought back to service within several days - nothing like T-72 with flying turrets.

In order to completely destroy M1 you would have to fire a KE round right into the back of the turret to make it punch through to the crew compartment - good luck with that in Yemen.

Werewolf wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Fred333 wrote:well at least it is now possible to compensate the wahhabi apologist videos of "FSA" groups blowing up SAA stuff with videos of Houthis blowing up Saudi stuff

Yeah but that order of magnitude though. 30K USD Tow's blowing up marginally more expensive equipment. While 8K USD Konkurs wreck millions per shot. Wasn't it Dfarce that said Western Equipment is on par with Soviet? I guess the accountants will opine to the contrary.

WvO: Nope as you can see the said video clearly shows you only have to hit the M1 right. Upper Flank shot, ammo brew almost instantly, huge conflagration and what looks as a complete spillover to the fighting compartment (you can see it blew off the floor trap). Saudi BBQ ribs included. BTW the ATGM flies 10 seconds at 200m/sec =2000m range. The second attack is even closer.

Which makes me think WTF do the Saudis use those Thermals for?

Not necessarily anything wrong with crew or equipment with 2nd M1A2 in the video. The konkurs ATGM can be fired from a lying position, meaning you do not expose any thermal signature from your own body, as long the ATGM is not more heated then the surroundings you will not see him on the any TIS on tanks.

Try to spot this ATGM guy when he is lying behind rocks or a trench while ATGM is pointing at you, no chance of spotting him.

Well, the ammo compartment of M1 Abrams is designed in such a way that even ammo cookoff is not usually catastrophic - usually the compartment utself is burned but the crew has a high chance of surviving and the tank itself can be repaired and brought back to service within several days - nothing like T-72 with flying turrets.

In order to completely destroy M1 you would have to fire a KE round right into the back of the turret to make it punch through to the crew compartment - good luck with that in Yemen.

Walther, nobody in that tank survived, they died all. You can see drivers hatch coming fire out.

Here a gif to point out the moment where fire comes out of drivers hatch, if fire can get out of drivers hatch you can be certain by that time every other occupant of that tank was already dead before the driver was burned.

Dude in the Sky. wrote:We previously notified transmittal number 90-07 to Congress on 2 December 1989 of the possible sale of 315 M1A2A Abrams tanks, with ancillary weapons and equipment, 30 M88A1 recovery vehicles, 175 M998 utility trucks, other trucks, ammunition, and full logistics support for an estimated value of $725 million.

Transmittal number 90-78 was notified to Congress on 27 October 1990 for the possible sale of 150 M1A2 tanks, 200 Bradley Fighting Vehicle Family Systems (including TOW versions and 1,750 TOW IIA Missiles), 207 M113 Armored Personnel Carrier Family Vehicles, 50 M548 Cargo Carriers, 17 M88A1 and 43 M578 Recovery Vehicles, ammunition, and full logistics support for an estimated value of $3.2 billion.

This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a friendly country that has been and continues to be an important force for political stability and economic progress in the Middle East.

This proposed sale consists of three phases:

(1) engineering phase for 30 months,
(2) purchase of and upgrade of 58 M1A1s to M1A2S (Saudi) configuration, and
(3) tear down of the 315 M1A2 Abrams in Saudi Arabia’s tank fleet and upgrade to the M1A2S configuration.

The Abrams Integrated Management (AIM) program was designed economically to rebuild and maintain the M1A1 Main Battle Tank (MBT) to a ‘like new’ condition to improve fleet readiness and reduce sustainment costs. The 58 M1A1s will undergo an ‘AIM-like’ process and will be upgraded to the M1A2S configuration in the United States. The 315 Saudi M1A2A MBT’s will undergo an ‘AIM-like’ process and will be re-configured to the M1A2S configuration. Vehicle teardown and final re-assembly will be accomplished in Saudi Arabia.

The proposed sale and upgrade will allow Saudi Arabia to operate and exercise a more lethal and survivable M1A2S tank for the protection of critical infrastructure. This proposed sale/upgrade keeps a substantial number of tanks in the region that have a high degree of commonality with the U.S. tank fleet. The M1A2S design is intended to take advantage of the digital capabilities of the M1A2 while limiting obsolescence challenges. Saudi will have no difficulty absorbing these additional tanks into its armed forces.

The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not affect the basic military balance in the region.

The prime contractor will be General Dynamics Land Systems of Sterling Heights, Michigan. There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
Well, the ammo compartment of M1 Abrams is designed in such a way that even ammo cookoff is not usually catastrophic - usually the compartment utself is burned but the crew has a high chance of surviving and the tank itself can be repaired and brought back to service within several days

Werewolf wrote:

Walther, nobody in that tank survived, they died all. You can see drivers hatch coming fire out.

Here a gif to point out the moment where fire comes out of drivers hatch, if fire can get out of drivers hatch you can be certain by that time every other occupant of that tank was already dead before the driver was burned.

Geronimo wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
Well, the ammo compartment of M1 Abrams is designed in such a way that even ammo cookoff is not usually catastrophic - usually the compartment utself is burned but the crew has a high chance of surviving and the tank itself can be repaired and brought back to service within several days

Exactly, the missile hit the back of the turret and the ammunition compartment was destroyed and a lot of burning fragments were spread around the tank, that is all.

This M1 tank may be repairable if the fire was not too intense.

Werewolf wrote:

Walther, nobody in that tank survived, they died all. You can see drivers hatch coming fire out.

Here a gif to point out the moment where fire comes out of drivers hatch, if fire can get out of drivers hatch you can be certain by that time every other occupant of that tank was already dead before the driver was burned.

No, this is wrong.

Two men successfully exit the turret : the first man comes out of the turret @1:42, the second man comes out @1:57, the first man can be seen running away from the tank (on the right) @2:03 : https://youtu.be/a2GR-g9777k?t=1m33s
So, there are at least two survivors.

There is no fire coming out of the driver's hatch, it is an error of perspective, the fire is on the ground behind the tank. The driver was the furthest away from the point of impact, if he could exit the tank through his hatch, he should have survived the attack.

In my opinion, three survivors very likely and the tank is recoverable. Impressive fire, though.

Geronimo wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
Well, the ammo compartment of M1 Abrams is designed in such a way that even ammo cookoff is not usually catastrophic - usually the compartment utself is burned but the crew has a high chance of surviving and the tank itself can be repaired and brought back to service within several days

Exactly, the missile hit the back of the turret and the ammunition compartment was destroyed and a lot of burning fragments were spread around the tank, that is all.

This M1 tank may be repairable if the fire was not too intense.

Werewolf wrote:

Walther, nobody in that tank survived, they died all. You can see drivers hatch coming fire out.

Here a gif to point out the moment where fire comes out of drivers hatch, if fire can get out of drivers hatch you can be certain by that time every other occupant of that tank was already dead before the driver was burned.

No, this is wrong.

Two men successfully exit the turret : the first man comes out of the turret @1:42, the second man comes out @1:57, the first man can be seen running away from the tank (on the right) @2:03 : https://youtu.be/a2GR-g9777k?t=1m33s
So, there are at least two survivors.

There is no fire coming out of the driver's hatch, it is an error of perspective, the fire is on the ground behind the tank. The driver was the furthest away from the point of impact, if he could exit the tank through his hatch, he should have survived the attack.

In my opinion, three survivors very likely and the tank is recoverable. Impressive fire, though.

Werewolf wrote:

Geronimo wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
Well, the ammo compartment of M1 Abrams is designed in such a way that even ammo cookoff is not usually catastrophic - usually the compartment utself is burned but the crew has a high chance of surviving and the tank itself can be repaired and brought back to service within several days

Exactly, the missile hit the back of the turret and the ammunition compartment was destroyed and a lot of burning fragments were spread around the tank, that is all.

This M1 tank may be repairable if the fire was not too intense.

Werewolf wrote:

Walther, nobody in that tank survived, they died all. You can see drivers hatch coming fire out.

Here a gif to point out the moment where fire comes out of drivers hatch, if fire can get out of drivers hatch you can be certain by that time every other occupant of that tank was already dead before the driver was burned.

No, this is wrong.

Two men successfully exit the turret : the first man comes out of the turret @1:42, the second man comes out @1:57, the first man can be seen running away from the tank (on the right) @2:03 : https://youtu.be/a2GR-g9777k?t=1m33s
So, there are at least two survivors.

There is no fire coming out of the driver's hatch, it is an error of perspective, the fire is on the ground behind the tank. The driver was the furthest away from the point of impact, if he could exit the tank through his hatch, he should have survived the attack.

In my opinion, three survivors very likely and the tank is recoverable. Impressive fire, though.

No one escaped from the first tank, the entire tank is destroyed and everything living even bacterias are all dead, it is 100% sterilized tank from the inside. No one is coming out of that hellfire. The 2nd Abrams there is someone clearly getting out, because there is no fire and he wasn't killed by the Konkurs, like the guy in first tank, they were probably dead in instant.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

Geronimo wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
Well, the ammo compartment of M1 Abrams is designed in such a way that even ammo cookoff is not usually catastrophic - usually the compartment utself is burned but the crew has a high chance of surviving and the tank itself can be repaired and brought back to service within several days

Exactly, the missile hit the back of the turret and the ammunition compartment was destroyed and a lot of burning fragments were spread around the tank, that is all.

This M1 tank may be repairable if the fire was not too intense.

Werewolf wrote:

Walther, nobody in that tank survived, they died all. You can see drivers hatch coming fire out.

Here a gif to point out the moment where fire comes out of drivers hatch, if fire can get out of drivers hatch you can be certain by that time every other occupant of that tank was already dead before the driver was burned.

No, this is wrong.

Two men successfully exit the turret : the first man comes out of the turret @1:42, the second man comes out @1:57, the first man can be seen running away from the tank (on the right) @2:03 : https://youtu.be/a2GR-g9777k?t=1m33s
So, there are at least two survivors.

There is no fire coming out of the driver's hatch, it is an error of perspective, the fire is on the ground behind the tank. The driver was the furthest away from the point of impact, if he could exit the tank through his hatch, he should have survived the attack.

In my opinion, three survivors very likely and the tank is recoverable. Impressive fire, though.

No one escaped from the first tank, the entire tank is destroyed and everything living even bacterias are all dead, it is 100% sterilized tank from the inside. No one is coming out of that hellfire. The 2nd Abrams there is someone clearly getting out, because there is no fire and he wasn't killed by the Konkurs, like the guy in first tank, they were probably dead in instant.

Yeah no shit, unless Jesus was mannbing the First Abrams, there's no living thing in that inferno. Second tank, as I said, was penetrated, since there's fume out of tight air gap. There's penetration, and possible fire inside the fighting compartiment, that's why the guys took off. BTW there are aftermath pictures of the second tank. With Houthis posing (would be good for our Shi'ite friends to send samples in Iran, China and Russia, for more HJ's, Konkurses and Tosans).

Werewolf wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

Geronimo wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
Well, the ammo compartment of M1 Abrams is designed in such a way that even ammo cookoff is not usually catastrophic - usually the compartment utself is burned but the crew has a high chance of surviving and the tank itself can be repaired and brought back to service within several days

Exactly, the missile hit the back of the turret and the ammunition compartment was destroyed and a lot of burning fragments were spread around the tank, that is all.

This M1 tank may be repairable if the fire was not too intense.

Werewolf wrote:

Walther, nobody in that tank survived, they died all. You can see drivers hatch coming fire out.

Here a gif to point out the moment where fire comes out of drivers hatch, if fire can get out of drivers hatch you can be certain by that time every other occupant of that tank was already dead before the driver was burned.

No, this is wrong.

Two men successfully exit the turret : the first man comes out of the turret @1:42, the second man comes out @1:57, the first man can be seen running away from the tank (on the right) @2:03 : https://youtu.be/a2GR-g9777k?t=1m33s
So, there are at least two survivors.

There is no fire coming out of the driver's hatch, it is an error of perspective, the fire is on the ground behind the tank. The driver was the furthest away from the point of impact, if he could exit the tank through his hatch, he should have survived the attack.

In my opinion, three survivors very likely and the tank is recoverable. Impressive fire, though.

No one escaped from the first tank, the entire tank is destroyed and everything living even bacterias are all dead, it is 100% sterilized tank from the inside. No one is coming out of that hellfire. The 2nd Abrams there is someone clearly getting out, because there is no fire and he wasn't killed by the Konkurs, like the guy in first tank, they were probably dead in instant.

Yeah no shit, unless Jesus was mannbing the First Abrams, there's no living thing in that inferno. Second tank, as I said, was penetrated, since there's fume out of tight air gap. There's penetration, and possible fire inside the fighting compartiment, that's why the guys took off. BTW there are aftermath pictures of the second tank. With Houthis posing (would be good for our Shi'ite friends to send samples in Iran, China and Russia, for more HJ's, Konkurses and Tosans).

I've seen those pictures, but unfortunatley the Abrams is so heavy that there is no good way to bring it back from the battlefield, "Wegfahrsperre 70tonen" Technology.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

It is not, because the floor trap is done for, you can see when the fire starts, there's projection under the tank. 2 guys getting out of the tank, would be two huge fire balls, since the tank's brewing for about 15 to 30 seconds, never mind the fact there's a spill over INSIDE the Fighting compartment. IE where the guys are. So i reiterate my Saudi BBQ comment. Show me exactly where they come out, just zoom in. And explain to me how these people withstand 15 and 30 seconds of over pressure and fire, while being OK.

Werewolf wrote:
No one escaped from the first tank, the entire tank is destroyed and everything living even bacterias are all dead, it is 100% sterilized tank from the inside. No one is coming out of that hellfire.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Yeah no shit, unless Jesus was mannbing the First Abrams, there's no living thing in that inferno.

Geronimo wrote:I have re watched the video very very carefully, the whole crew survived for sure.
It is hard to distinguish the men because of the glowing inferno on the ground in the background, a meticulous and cold look must be used.

Geronimo wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

It is not, because the floor trap is done for, you can see when the fire starts, there's projection under the tank. 2 guys getting out of the tank, would be two huge fire balls, since the tank's brewing for about 15 to 30 seconds, never mind the fact there's a spill over INSIDE the Fighting compartment. IE where the guys are. So i reiterate my Saudi BBQ comment. Show me exactly where they come out, just zoom in. And explain to me how these people withstand 15 and 30 seconds of over pressure and fire, while being OK.

No, you are wrong too.
The video must absolutely be watched in 1080p quality on a big screen, a TV if possible, in order to see the acts unfold a bit more clearly. I even indicated the time references when the crew members exit the turret (@1:42 and @1:57).


The ammunition in the M1 Abrams is stored in an isolated and armored compartment, with blowout panels, at the back of the turret.
When the rounds are detonated, the formidable energy is directed upward towards the sky and on the sides. The crew inside the tank is completely unharmed :



Hence, in the video, there is no fire or overpressure inside the fighting compartment and directly below the tank (the floor is not ruptured).
The fire is at the back of the turret in the ammunition compartment (where the missile hit the tank) and when the blowout panels are ruptured @1:22, the flaming and dangerous debris are propelled all around the tank, with most of the debris being propelled on the tank's right flank, giving the illusion of a catastrophic destruction.