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    Post  Werewolf Sun Sep 06, 2015 1:41 pm

    iraqidabab wrote:How do you think American M1A2 (depleted uranium armored) will withstand Kornet-E and other Soviet-era ATGW. We saw the export versions M1A1 and M1A2 both fail to withstand Soviet era ATGW, let alone Kornet-E. Active protection system seems like much more important then having thicker armor in this case.

    Because all those figures thrown around about armor value against CE (HEAT) weapons are all measured by monobloc charges of old knowledge from the 70's while even the US/UK have admitted that Burlington showed being effected after Tandem Charges were used where the precursor was weakening the armor layers and the main charge had easier way to pass through the armor afterwards. Today such charges are immense of power and future will show even more powerful with bigger potential to destroy armor. The west has often abondonend or dismissed some technologies as not being the "future" like WVR dogfights were seen and still seen as obsolete while reality and history proved always that BVR is far less likely and has less effeciency and potential than WVR.
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    Post  max steel Sun Sep 06, 2015 8:51 pm

    Old Soviet Missile Makes Easy Work of US M1 Abrams Tank


    Read the comments Laughing Laughing :

    >They are export model Abrams tanks. They do not have the reactive chobham armor.

    >Saudi Arabia's version M1A2S has actually thicker armour than M1A2 (Iraq recived Abrams tanks without depleted uranium plates). Chobam armour is not reactive armour


    >The M1 is good with uranium armor, without it its just a overpriced overwieght T-90

    > but the Kornet will cut through an American tank like a hot knife into butter!

    Well those Konkurs missiles are export variant too..so export variant missile destroy export variant tank.. fair enough.

    and probably it's not even from Russia but Iranian version called as "Tosan"



    >Actually, 9M111 Fagot Missile (shown mounted on the launcher) has 400mm penetration vs. RHA. 600mm penetration has 9M113 Konkurs (which can be launched from the same launcher 9P135M).


    > Well, it looks like someone is selling off some old Soviet wire-guided missiles.... I don't know if that was atypical or whether it is to be expected. The so-called munitions 'cook off' is what did the worst of the damage. Although if it was an armor-penetration tipped missile, that could have rapidly bounced around sabo-style inside the tank -- turning anyone inside into hamburger before the munitions went up. I thought Abrams had reactive armor on them -- or at least some kind of defense system to prevent this. Maybe the Saudis didn't want to pay for the additional 'features'? Or maybe we wouldn't sell them? /shrugs

    Looks like it's a 45-year old model, if that's indeed the kind that was used... How many of these can be made for the cost of one Abrams?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K111_Fagot

    I also found this while researching that 45-yr old missile:

    ``The RPG-30 has 105mm tandem warhead reckoned to be capable of penetrating over 650mm of steel armor behind reactive armor. But its special feature is a second tube, firing a smaller-caliber decoy rocket a fraction of a second ahead of the real one. The idea is that active protection systems will engage the decoy, but will not be able to engage a second threat immediately afterwards. ``

    http://www.wired.com/2008/11/russia-unveils/

    And that's only 7 yrs old... I don't pretend to be an expert on these things. But I would hope nobody would assume that's a Fagot missile rather than something else simply because there's some spliced-in footage which may be completely extraneous. In fact, that footage looked more like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9M113_Konkurs than Fagot.


    >The 'funny' part is the 70 era AGTM's has 2 stages...one to defeat reactive armour and the second to take down erra armour...yes science it is effective or high tech science ,the math is simple...melting point vs metal.and i saw planty M1A2 tanks banged by skirt area projectile
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    Post  max steel Sun Sep 06, 2015 9:15 pm

     well well well Finally

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-7v2HmdnRI

    Video of Saudi PAC-3 intercepting a SCUD.

    Good god, 23 missiles ripple fired at a single target.









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    Post  Guest Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:06 pm

    Book. wrote:UAE pounds Yemen rebels after coalition's deadliest day
    The National staff
    September 5, 2015 Updated: September 5, 2015 10:15 PM


    More Here: http://www.thenational.ae/world/middle-east/uae-pounds-yemen-rebels-after-coalitions-deadliest-day

    The UAE bombarded Yemen’s Houthi rebels with air strikes on Saturday as it mourned 45 soldiers killed in the deadliest day yet for the Saudi-led coalition fighting the insurgents.

    Emirati officials have vowed that the deaths in the battleground eastern oil province of Marib would not sap their commitment to the coalition’s mission to restore exiled President Abdrabu Mansur Hadi.

    The UAE forces suffered the heaviest casualties when a missile fired by the rebels hit the munitions store at a camp, triggering huge explosions that also killed 10 members of Saudi Arabia’s armed forces and five Bahraini troops.

    Emirati warplanes carried out pre-dawn bombing raids against the rebels in Marib and Sanaa as well as their stronghold of Saada in the far north and the central city of Ibb.

    The air strikes targeted a mine-making plant in the Houthi-dominated Saada province in northern Yemen, as well as military camps and weapon stores in the central Ibb province and in the capital Sanaa, causing heavy damage.

    Sanaa residents said the Houthi-controlled defence ministry building and the command of the special security forces were among the targets hit overnight.

    The Houthis said they had fired a Tochka missile at the coalition’s Safer camp in Marib.

    The UAE has denounced the attack as “cowardly”, and the coalition spokesman General Ahmed Assiri said the war against the rebels would not ease.

    “The mission of the coalition forces is to restore peace and stability to Yemen,” the daily Al Riyadh quoted him as saying.

    “They will continue their military operations until their objectives are achieved.”

    Yemeni Conflict: News - Page 18 21NbS
    A Saudi-led coalition launched airstrikes against Houthi targets in Yemen on Saturday, a day after dozens of coalition soldiers
    were killed. (Mohamed al-Sayaghi/Reuters, Thomson)



    5hr later... Gulf arab hit back
    I thought the UAE brought in Pantsirs specifically for taking out Tochkas and whatnot. The Pantsir already has been proven to take down Tochkas in combat conditions just a few months ago. Were they not in the area of the Tochka strike?
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:17 pm

    max steel wrote:  well well well Finally

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-7v2HmdnRI

    Video of Saudi PAC-3 intercepting a SCUD.

    Good god, 23 missiles ripple fired at a single target.







    It proves two things

    1) Saudis use latest US PAC-3 only not older models. Lockheed already upgraded their PAC-3 in 2012 . I wonder how many US pac will intercept ?

    2) " Out of 12 scuds only 3 were intercepted " article was correct then .

    I thought they intercepted only 2? Anyway, that salvo is pac 3 interceptor missiles? If that is the case, it also shows the inneficiencies of the system.
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    Post  Cyberspec Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:27 am

    Looks like the Houthis have lost at least 1 x Tochka launcher

    Arrow https://twitter.com/Militaryaffair7/status/638878118959149056

    BTW, the pic is from 1st Sep......before this last devastating strike
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    Post  Regular Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:46 am

    Just shows how arabs know to fight. FFS use Pantsirs to provide some cover against those missiles.
    They have best weapons money can buy. From Russia, USA and other countries. But keep loosing them to cave people. I want to see videos of AMX Leclercs, BMP3s and other goodies being roasted to bits.
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:51 am

    max steel wrote:  well well well Finally

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-7v2HmdnRI

    Video of Saudi PAC-3 intercepting a SCUD.

    Good god, 23 missiles ripple fired at a single target.







    It proves two things

    1) Saudis use latest US PAC-3 only not older models. Lockheed already upgraded their PAC-3 in 2012 . I wonder how many US pac will intercept ?

    2) " Out of 12 scuds only 3 were intercepted " article was correct then .

    That video proves neither of those two things, unless I'm missing something major.
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Sep 07, 2015 2:00 am

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    Book. wrote:UAE pounds Yemen rebels after coalition's deadliest day
    The National staff
    September 5, 2015 Updated: September 5, 2015 10:15 PM


    More Here: http://www.thenational.ae/world/middle-east/uae-pounds-yemen-rebels-after-coalitions-deadliest-day

    The UAE bombarded Yemen’s Houthi rebels with air strikes on Saturday as it mourned 45 soldiers killed in the deadliest day yet for the Saudi-led coalition fighting the insurgents.

    Emirati officials have vowed that the deaths in the battleground eastern oil province of Marib would not sap their commitment to the coalition’s mission to restore exiled President Abdrabu Mansur Hadi.

    The UAE forces suffered the heaviest casualties when a missile fired by the rebels hit the munitions store at a camp, triggering huge explosions that also killed 10 members of Saudi Arabia’s armed forces and five Bahraini troops.

    Emirati warplanes carried out pre-dawn bombing raids against the rebels in Marib and Sanaa as well as their stronghold of Saada in the far north and the central city of Ibb.

    The air strikes targeted a mine-making plant in the Houthi-dominated Saada province in northern Yemen, as well as military camps and weapon stores in the central Ibb province and in the capital Sanaa, causing heavy damage.

    Sanaa residents said the Houthi-controlled defence ministry building and the command of the special security forces were among the targets hit overnight.

    The Houthis said they had fired a Tochka missile at the coalition’s Safer camp in Marib.

    The UAE has denounced the attack as “cowardly”, and the coalition spokesman General Ahmed Assiri said the war against the rebels would not ease.

    “The mission of the coalition forces is to restore peace and stability to Yemen,” the daily Al Riyadh quoted him as saying.

    “They will continue their military operations until their objectives are achieved.”

    Yemeni Conflict: News - Page 18 21NbS
    A Saudi-led coalition launched airstrikes against Houthi targets in Yemen on Saturday, a day after dozens of coalition soldiers
    were killed. (Mohamed al-Sayaghi/Reuters, Thomson)



    5hr later... Gulf arab hit back
    I thought the UAE brought in Pantsirs specifically for taking out Tochkas and whatnot. The Pantsir already has been proven to take down Tochkas in combat conditions just a few months ago. Were they not in the area of the Tochka strike?

    The Pantsir-S1 has a fairly short-range so yes there could just not have been any in the vicinity. Or their operators were asleep, already fled from their vehicles or stood around doing nothing like we seemingly saw all the crews of those Saudi armoured vehicles do while the Houthis picked them off at their leisure from high ground.
    Never let a ballistic missile strike rob you of a good siesta, I say.

    Or the Pantsir-S1 could have failed to intercept it. A Ukrainian Tochka was intercepted in the Donbass about half a year back. No-one says what with, but it's a firm possibility that one of the Russian-operated Pantsir's seen in the region was responsible.
    However, the Pantsir-S1 is not a ballistic-missile defence system; it just offers some limited capabilities for such targets. So it's easy to imagine how a large, heavy ballistic missile such as the Tochka could get through, or could shrug off a strike or two from the small Pantsir payloads, and reach its target anyway.
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    Post  Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 2:25 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    Book. wrote:UAE pounds Yemen rebels after coalition's deadliest day
    The National staff
    September 5, 2015 Updated: September 5, 2015 10:15 PM


    More Here: http://www.thenational.ae/world/middle-east/uae-pounds-yemen-rebels-after-coalitions-deadliest-day

    The UAE bombarded Yemen’s Houthi rebels with air strikes on Saturday as it mourned 45 soldiers killed in the deadliest day yet for the Saudi-led coalition fighting the insurgents.

    Emirati officials have vowed that the deaths in the battleground eastern oil province of Marib would not sap their commitment to the coalition’s mission to restore exiled President Abdrabu Mansur Hadi.

    The UAE forces suffered the heaviest casualties when a missile fired by the rebels hit the munitions store at a camp, triggering huge explosions that also killed 10 members of Saudi Arabia’s armed forces and five Bahraini troops.

    Emirati warplanes carried out pre-dawn bombing raids against the rebels in Marib and Sanaa as well as their stronghold of Saada in the far north and the central city of Ibb.

    The air strikes targeted a mine-making plant in the Houthi-dominated Saada province in northern Yemen, as well as military camps and weapon stores in the central Ibb province and in the capital Sanaa, causing heavy damage.

    Sanaa residents said the Houthi-controlled defence ministry building and the command of the special security forces were among the targets hit overnight.

    The Houthis said they had fired a Tochka missile at the coalition’s Safer camp in Marib.

    The UAE has denounced the attack as “cowardly”, and the coalition spokesman General Ahmed Assiri said the war against the rebels would not ease.

    “The mission of the coalition forces is to restore peace and stability to Yemen,” the daily Al Riyadh quoted him as saying.

    “They will continue their military operations until their objectives are achieved.”

    Yemeni Conflict: News - Page 18 21NbS
    A Saudi-led coalition launched airstrikes against Houthi targets in Yemen on Saturday, a day after dozens of coalition soldiers
    were killed. (Mohamed al-Sayaghi/Reuters, Thomson)



    5hr later... Gulf arab hit back
    I thought the UAE brought in Pantsirs specifically for taking out Tochkas and whatnot. The Pantsir already has been proven to take down Tochkas in combat conditions just a few months ago. Were they not in the area of the Tochka strike?

    The Pantsir-S1 has a fairly short-range so yes there could just not have been any in the vicinity. Or their operators were asleep, already fled from their vehicles or stood around doing nothing like we seemingly saw all the crews of those Saudi armoured vehicles do while the Houthis picked them off at their leisure from high ground.
    Never let a ballistic missile strike rob you of a good siesta, I say.

    Or the Pantsir-S1 could have failed to intercept it. A Ukrainian Tochka was intercepted in the Donbass about half a year back. No-one says what with, but it's a firm possibility that one of the Russian-operated Pantsir's seen in the region was responsible.
    However, the Pantsir-S1 is not a ballistic-missile defence system; it just offers some limited capabilities for such targets. So it's easy to imagine how a large, heavy ballistic missile such as the Tochka could get through, or could shrug off a strike or two from the small Pantsir payloads, and reach its target anyway.
    All evidence we have points to successful Tochka interception(s) from Russian advisers with Pantsirs within Ukraine. No evidence that more advanced systems were nearby in Ukraine. The era for monkey models has long passed so I don't think that the Pantsir systems couldn't have intercepted the Tockha missiles if the Pantsirs were used properly. All this points to that there are major internal problems within the armies of the coalition and fancy toys are not effective. Then again, the last armed conflict that the Saudis and the UAE really took part in was nearly three decades ago.
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    Post  mutantsushi Mon Sep 07, 2015 2:32 am

    Well I believe I had seen talk that the Tochka strike may have been launched from further Eastern governates that the Saudi/alliance supposedly already controlled... And so the Saudi/alliance may have believed this base was safely out of range (of Tochka), when it was not. If true, it indicates the Yemeni military successfully hid or has infiltrated launcher systems "behind enemy lines". It's pretty clear that they had extensive tunnel works, and this could be part of it, destroying missile capability was clearly a primary aim of Saudis from beginning, yet that clearly did not work completely.

    EDIT: https://twitter.com/BaFana3/status/639938443829735424
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:21 am

    mutantsushi wrote:Well I believe I had seen talk that the Tochka strike may have been launched from further Eastern governates that the Saudi/alliance supposedly already controlled... And so the Saudi/alliance may have believed this base was safely out of range (of Tochka), when it was not.  If true, it indicates the Yemeni military successfully hid or has infiltrated launcher systems "behind enemy lines".  It's pretty clear that they had extensive tunnel works, and this could be part of it, destroying missile capability was clearly a primary aim of Saudis from beginning, yet that clearly did not work completely.

    EDIT: https://twitter.com/BaFana3/status/639938443829735424

    This a bit off-topic but the guy who posted that, the background on his twitter page says that don't waste AK ammo on the Apache...obviously he isn't aware the window glass on the Apache isn't even rated to stop 7.62x39mm rounds lol!
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    Post  max steel Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:11 am

    [quote="sepheronx"]
    max steel wrote:[b]  well well well Finally

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-7v2HmdnRI

    Video of Saudi PAC-3 intercepting a SCUD.

    Good god, 23 missiles ripple fired at a single target.





    Actually I got it from TR1.

    @flamming : I know it doesnt prove anything but i posted a link telling only 3/12 scuds were inteecepted. But they use pac-3 only that's for sure now.
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    Post  Werewolf Mon Sep 07, 2015 6:17 pm

    So it obviously easy to destroy Saudi military bases, launch an ass old SCUD, wait till Saudis have fired all their existing PAC3 missiles and then launch the Tochka. Seriously Panzir-S1 has far better capabilities to shoot down Tochkas and not to mention old Scuds than the US work and experience in this technology concentrating over 30 years of a total "success" story. They had less than 8% interception probability in Iraq war with Patriots today with 3 upgrades to PAC-3 which was again used just like during Iraq war to be an Anti Ballistic highly capable SAM almost a TABM and they still can't achieve a modest interception rate.


    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    This a bit off-topic but the guy who posted that, the background on his twitter page says that don't waste AK ammo on the Apache...obviously he isn't aware the window glass on the Apache isn't even rated to stop 7.62x39mm rounds lol!

    It isn't even rated Screwdriver Safe. If you sit in an Apache Helicopter, standing on the ground, someone runs at you with a machette i would be scared in that thing. On the other hand i would laugh at him if it was a Mi-28/24.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:34 pm

    AH-64 was designed with a wrong philosophy in mind - the designers wanted a helo for pretty much one role - to attack Soviet tank columns during a NATO-WARPAC war. Well, presence of short range AD systems (Shilkas, Strelas and Tunguskas) would assure that any Apache that gets into proximity of Soviet units quickly turns into Swiss cheese. The role of Ah-64 cannot be fulfilled except in some ideal conditions of total air superiority.

    Mi-24 is a way better construction because it's an attack helicopter and a transport one at the same time.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:02 pm

    A bit more on the (air to air?) Tochka attack. It seems as if the conclusion that no-one can trust anyone down there is a surprise!!! Good that the new Yemeni authorities have a back up officer corps ready to go.

    DUBAI (Sputnik) – The attack by the rebels on an ammunition store at a base in the Yemeni province of Marib on Friday killed 46 UAE, 32 Yemeni, 10 Saudi and five Bahraini soldiers. The Kuwaiti Shahed publication cited Yemeni Defense Ministry spokesman Ali Bakali as saying that the attack took place because the forces that had secured the province and declared allegiance to the government had retained their loyalty to the Houthis and former Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh.

    The spokesman specified that the air-to-air rocket had been launched from the neighboring province of Shabwah, a territory previously thought to be freed from Houthis.

    Bakali underscored that Yemeni authorities, headed by President-in-exile Abd Rabbuh Mansour Hadi, can only trust the new army, currently being formed. He added that the new army's make-up would be completely overhauled and would not include officers from the previous government forces.

    The Saudi-led alliance has been conducting an operation against Houthi rebels in Yemen.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150907/1026701988.html#ixzz3l5J8wnZ0
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    Post  Hachimoto Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:39 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:AH-64 was designed with a wrong philosophy in mind - the designers wanted a helo for pretty much one role - to attack Soviet tank columns during a NATO-WARPAC war. Well, presence of short range AD systems (Shilkas, Strelas and Tunguskas) would assure that any Apache that gets into proximity of Soviet units quickly turns into Swiss cheese. The role of Ah-64 cannot be fulfilled except in some ideal conditions of total air superiority.

    Mi-24 is a way better construction because it's an attack helicopter and a transport one at the same time.

    AH-64 is bad design ...

    Mi-24 is all good & perfect

    ok enough BS ?
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    Post  Hachimoto Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:59 am

    max steel wrote:  well well well Finally

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-7v2HmdnRI

    Video of Saudi PAC-3 intercepting a SCUD.

    Good god, 23 missiles ripple fired at a single target.


    Can you explain please where did you get those numbers from?
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:59 am

    max steel wrote:  
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-7v2HmdnRI

    Video of Saudi PAC-3 intercepting a SCUD.

    Good god, 23 missiles ripple fired at a single target.

    Where is the intercept?
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    Post  Werewolf Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:57 pm

    Hachimoto wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:AH-64 was designed with a wrong philosophy in mind - the designers wanted a helo for pretty much one role - to attack Soviet tank columns during a NATO-WARPAC war. Well, presence of short range AD systems (Shilkas, Strelas and Tunguskas) would assure that any Apache that gets into proximity of Soviet units quickly turns into Swiss cheese. The role of Ah-64 cannot be fulfilled except in some ideal conditions of total air superiority.

    Mi-24 is a way better construction because it's an attack helicopter and a transport one at the same time.

    AH-64 is bad design ...

    Mi-24 is all good & perfect

    ok enough BS ?

    I will do sooner or later a summary about Apaches armor layout and the odd design this helicopter has, in comparision with every other helicopter this can be called unique, even tho the meaning of this word is somewhat not that positive. One or another would probably have a smile after knowing some things about it.
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:17 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    Hachimoto wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:AH-64 was designed with a wrong philosophy in mind - the designers wanted a helo for pretty much one role - to attack Soviet tank columns during a NATO-WARPAC war. Well, presence of short range AD systems (Shilkas, Strelas and Tunguskas) would assure that any Apache that gets into proximity of Soviet units quickly turns into Swiss cheese. The role of Ah-64 cannot be fulfilled except in some ideal conditions of total air superiority.

    Mi-24 is a way better construction because it's an attack helicopter and a transport one at the same time.

    AH-64 is bad design ...

    Mi-24 is all good & perfect

    ok enough BS ?

    I will do sooner or later a summary about Apaches armor layout and the odd design this helicopter has, in comparision with every other helicopter this can be called unique, even tho the meaning of this word is somewhat not that positive. One or another would probably have a smile after knowing some things about it.
    The AH-64 has to be really good because we, the Brits, are about to buy 60+ more Smile
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:24 pm

    Sadly a lot more deaths look to be on the way

    There is set to be a significant escalation in conflict in Yemen after reports suggested that the number of Saudi Arabian-led military coalition ground troops in the country has risen to 10,000 with Qatari forces the latest to join the fighting. Qatari news channel Al Jazeera reported that the extra deployment of troops was made as part of a renewed push to crush Shia Houthi groups in Yemen’s capital of Sanaa, after the rebels forcibly took control of large parts of the country earlier this year.

    The international coalition of Gulf countries, headed by Saudi Arabia have said they are defending the democratic right of Yemen and protecting the region from Iranian influence. However, the Houthis deny they are being propped up by Tehran and have accused the exile Hadi government of being Western puppets, serving the US' strategic interests. It’s thought that those involved in the Saudi-led coalition are planning on stepping-up their bombing campaign in the capital, with the help of the additional ground troops.

    Along with the additional troops entering Yemen, it was reported that significant increases in military equipment, such as Apache helicopters, armored vehicles and rocket launchers were also being sent to assist the coalition.

    Qatar, along with Saudi Arabia and Bahrain, have now deployed ground troops in Yemen, according to the reports, in a seemingly significant shift away from the original strategy of combining air strikes with Yemeni forces loyal to ousted President Abd Rabbuh Mansur Hadi. In addition to the extra deployment of Qatari troops, Saudi-owned newspaper Al-Sharq Al-Awsat reported that a further 6,000 Egyptian and Sudanese forces would be sent to the country, while there have been other suggestions that Kuwait, Morocco and Jordan may also dispatch troops.

    While the reports claim that the appointment of more ground troops is part of the broader plan to defeat the Houthi rebels, it has also been suggested that the Saudi-led coalition have been forced to put boots on the ground due to a failure of the original airstrike strategy. Loyalist Yemeni forces and Gulf troops helped re-capture the southern port of Aden in July, however since then, there has been little gained by the coalition, amid concerns the current approach was not going to break down the Houthi defenses.

    As a result the fighting in Yemen now resembles a very different type of conflict to what was in March at the commencement of Saudi-led bombing, with more ground troops adding to the fighting in towns and cities.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150908/1026745858/Yemen-Qatar-Troops.html#ixzz3lAWz2wvN
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Sep 11, 2015 5:24 am

    Looks like Saudi Arabia punishes deserters by having ISIL chop their heads off:

    Dozens of Emirati Soldiers Beheaded by ISIL in Yemen
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Fri Sep 11, 2015 11:39 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    max steel wrote:  
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-7v2HmdnRI

    Video of Saudi PAC-3 intercepting a SCUD.

    Good god, 23 missiles ripple fired at a single target.

    Where is the intercept?

    Anyone?
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    Post  Regular Sun Sep 13, 2015 10:33 pm

    Hachimoto wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:AH-64 was designed with a wrong philosophy in mind - the designers wanted a helo for pretty much one role - to attack Soviet tank columns during a NATO-WARPAC war. Well, presence of short range AD systems (Shilkas, Strelas and Tunguskas) would assure that any Apache that gets into proximity of Soviet units quickly turns into Swiss cheese. The role of Ah-64 cannot be fulfilled except in some ideal conditions of total air superiority.

    Mi-24 is a way better construction because it's an attack helicopter and a transport one at the same time.

    AH-64 is bad design ...

    Mi-24 is all good & perfect

    ok enough BS ?
    But what about Mi-28? It's pretty much same thing as AH-64 when it comes to philosophy. Except Mi-28 is better in many ways (weapon station, safety, reliability)
    AH-64 is not bad, AH-64E for example looks sweet, especially interested in ability to link up to UAVs.

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