By Amal al-Yarisi and Pol O Gradaigh, dpa Sana'a (dpa) - Yemeni ministers were evacuated Tuesday from their temporary headquarters in the southern city of Aden after a series of explosions that reportedly killed 15 Arab soldiers and Yemeni militiamen.
Prime Minister Khaled al-Bahah wrote on his official Facebook page that two rockets fell in the grounds of the city's Qasr Hotel, where members of the government have been staying.
The official news agency of the United Arab Emirates said that 15 people - soldiers of the Arab alliance backing exiled President Abd Rabu Mansour Hadi and Yemeni loyalist militiamen - were killed in the blasts.
It blamed the attack, which Yemeni officials said also hit two buildings used by UAE commanders in the city, on the Houthi rebels and forces loyal to former president Ali Abdullah Saleh.
Yemen’s prime minister, Khaled Bahah, is reported to have escaped unharmed after the hotel where he was staying was hit by rockets on Tuesday. Footage shows black smoke rising from the the luxury Qasr hotel in the port city of Aden that is home to senior members of the government. Fire crews and ambulances were hurrying to the hotel. At least three people were reported to have been killed
Walther von Oldenburg wrote:15 UAE soldiers were killed in an attack on Emirati army HQ in Aden. The attackers were presumably from AQ/IS.
C'mon... Nobody heard about that?
Provide sources, it is useless to just through in something without a source.
It's true according to ISIS fanboys. And there are pictures allegedly.
That does not change the fact that providing a source with a report is always better than just throwing out information, just trying to be careful with informations people spread.
Walther von Oldenburg wrote:15 UAE soldiers were killed in an attack on Emirati army HQ in Aden. The attackers were presumably from AQ/IS.
C'mon... Nobody heard about that?
Provide sources, it is useless to just through in something without a source.
It's true according to ISIS fanboys. And there are pictures allegedly.
That does not change the fact that providing a source with a report is always better than just throwing out information, just trying to be careful with informations people spread.
Is the UK's Guardian not a source. If it is then check the post two before the question, the 15 dead is mentioned.
Saudis bomb wedding and kill 15. Seems no target is too difficult for America and it's puppets to hit, weddings, hospitals, baby milkpowder factories, civilian bomb shelters, normal people simply walking along the road minding their own business, civilian airliners, TV stations, Chinese embassies, refugees crowded on tractor trailers, their own allies as they are so trigger happy. Oh, and Italian ski-lifts, no target is too difficult if it does not fire back.....
At least 15 civilians were killed and 25 wounded in two Saudi-led airstrikes that hit a wedding party in Yemen hosted by a tribal leader, an alleged supporter of Houthi rebels, according to media reports. It was the second wedding targeted in two weeks.
The strikes hit the tribal leader’s home in Sanban, located southeast of the capital, Sanaa, in Dhamar province, AP reported citing officials and witnesses.
The house reportedly belonged to Muhammed al-Sanabani, the Khaleej Post said. Three of Sanabani’s sons were to be married off on Wednesday evening. The strikes hit the house as the brides were arriving at the ceremony, according to witnesses.
Official military source confirmed to the Yemeni news agency "Sheba" that Yemeni army forces and people's committees stationed in the Bab al-Mandab struck a boat belonging to a military alliance of Saudi aggression directly
"The imagery from 1 October shows two Patriot fire units, each with an AN/MPQ-53/65 radar and just two launchers, at either end of the airstrip at the Safir refinery in Marib. Six AH-64 Apache attack helicopters, two UH-60 Black Hawk utility helicopters, and one CH-47 Chinook heavy lift helicopter can be seen on the airstrip.
The deployment of the Patriot systems effectively confirms there is an ongoing ballistic missile threat to the base as Yemen's air force has not resisted the coalition since it launched its intervention in March and most (if not all) of its aircraft have now been destroyed on the ground.
The Ansar Allah group that the coalition is fighting claimed on 4 September that it launched a short-range OTR-21 Tochka ballistic missile at the Safir base. The coalition never confirmed that claim, but reported suffering heavy casualties on that day."
Something interesting about the Saudi vermin's Patriot SAM batteries...
According to information from the same source, the Saudi Patriot air defense system able to intercept only 40% of the 20 issued to date of R-17 / Hwasong 6.
Saudi Patriot air defense system against ballistic missile R-17 and their derivations
Saudi will provide advanced weapons to rebels in Syria due to Rusia intervention. Just to tell Saudi how to behave, shouldn't Russia also provide Yemen's Houthy with some advance air defense ?
Ramos 2 wrote:Saudi will provide advanced weapons to rebels in Syria due to Rusia intervention. Just to tell Saudi how to behave, shouldn't Russia also provide Yemen's Houthy with some advance air defense ?
Describe "Advanced air defence". What did you mean by that? Even if they do, which is not extremly likely that would be MANPADs. Igla S at the best, which wont do much good aganist strikes that Saudis perform. They tho could provide them with more modern ATGMs like Metis M, Konkurs, Kornets maybe... that would be viable.
Ramos 2 wrote:Saudi will provide advanced weapons to rebels in Syria due to Rusia intervention. Just to tell Saudi how to behave, shouldn't Russia also provide Yemen's Houthy with some advance air defense ?
best solution is not letting this weapons reach surten points in syria that are not lost for good and are not worth fighting for then risking another clusterfuck and trying to smuggle new weapons to the houthis
and what is advanced? nothing bigger then a couple of Iglas and ATGM's couldent be delivered anyway, nothing iran hasnt delivered yet and nothing they already dont have when they overran all the military devisions all across the country including the republican guard, the houthis have all the best weapons yemen ever had to offer its how they use them now what will make the diffrence
Ramos 2 wrote:Saudi will provide advanced weapons to rebels in Syria due to Rusia intervention. Just to tell Saudi how to behave, shouldn't Russia also provide Yemen's Houthy with some advance air defense ?
I think russia should consider very carefully before giving weapons to any non government militias, especially in the middle east. You dont want to follow the mistakes of the USA with arming the mujahadeen, or saddam, or libya etc etc. The saudis are getting a bloody nose already, without anyone elses help. Best thing is to locate the supply routes and eradicate them, and hopefully bury a few of the folks that are doing it at the same time.
Regular wrote:Believe me, god forbid, if that happens it will be big deal, no matter what helicopter. It is because it is Russian.
Of course those monkey will bitch and glorify every death, but hardly propaganda can be pulled to show how inferior a Ka-52 Mi-28N are when they would be shot down, which they would do without doubt and portray AH-64E as the king on battlefield, the undownable heli and all that garbage.
NationalRus wrote:see how the cost will go up if 1 or 2 gets shot down with russia pilots in them in this OLD garbage, then suddenly everybody would only wish they HAD deployed something better like a VM model, and modern helicopter CAS is done by the 30mm gun and guided rockets against stong points and armour and not flying 5m above ground shooting S8's against an enemy who has hundreds of heavy MG's with calibers of 14mm and above on the ground, we have over 70 Mi-28N delivered in service use are this Mi-24P even suited for night operations? fuck off!
if we are doing it then we should do it right, what a fucking excuse lets save 4-5m here by deploying second hand stuff from the 80's and hope its keep afloat then sending 3-4 pieces of game changing equipment, by god if some of them get shot down i want to see the excuses you will all make and how much you apprieciete the couple off millions we probably saved when now dead russia pilots and crashed helicopters will be all over the media
Hardly to speculate, since we do not know exactly what short/long term strategy russia is following on operational level.
Question, are they doing some cleansing now to have ability to reinforce SAA's position, defenses and regroup for offensive? Train SAA to let those aging, mostly pre 1988 production models as a military support to Syria, which they need of any scale/level? Or are their long term plans for actual expansion of military presence and in that case you would be correct, however Mil haven't shown to be ready yet with Mi-28NM fully integrated Vitebsk system to risk those birds. They are still just as vulnerable to MANPADS as AH-64D or Mi-24VM, no maws no dircm = no alert and gets shot down.
A different question is the supply routes of US terrorists on ground, where are they, how many MANPADS do they have and how organized are they?
A thing you might not understand or ignore is that strike formations like the Hinds have been performing based on soviet manuels that have been very effective and even adopted by US and used with Apaches and Cobras in Iraq. They are very effective against non-isolated targets, formations and fortifications, covered enemy forces and cause big firepower and manpower loss for enemies in very short periods. All most a shock tactic with good effeciency.
Militarov wrote:AH64D loads:
16 AGM-114A/L/M/K Hellfires used aganist armor heavy enemy, never used with 16 AGM114N since they carry thermobaric warhead and are used in different load mix.
8 Hellfires of any type and 38 rockets used for variety of targets, with anti-armor emphasis.
76 HE rockets. This load is ideal for suppressing enemy ground forces or anti-infantry duty and providing Close Air Support to infantry.
38 HE Hydra rockets, 4 Hellfires and external fuel tank, most common actual combat load for Apache.
Naturally any mix of these is possible, even 4 external fuel tanks (as demonstrated by Israelis few times during rapid deployment), however you will never see Apache flying CAS carrying only Hellfires, that never happened nor it ever will. In each load it carries full load for its gun naturally 1200 rounds.So, that your idea of CAS is quite far from reality, noone spends ATGMs on CAS unless target is armor, high value target or is endangering your troops in some unusual way which can be dealt only with ATGM.
Photos of some modern and highly capable attack helicopters carrying "useless" unguided rockets:
And this is just to show you what Mi28N would carry in Syria too:
Its simply not realistic expecting them to use wast amounts of Shturms/Atakas or whatever aganist targets they are facing atm in Syria. Not even US would do such thing.
Only CAS and COIN missions for Apaches they carry 1200 rounds and only when the location and hot zone is very close (under 40mins) from the AFB where the Apache flies its missions from. All other configurations for the Apache all use the additional 3rd fuel tank, the robby tank, which is a modular based fuel tank that will be fitted under the helicopter exactly where the ammunition bay for the 30mm rounds are. That cuts the maximum ammunition payload to the feeding system with additional space between turret and ammunition bay which are in total roughly 300 rounds. This layout is only designed for low value targets more as a defense than an attack, because such layouts were made to equip Apaches with ATGM's + UR to deal with higher value targets than lonely infantry on ground and the 300 rounds are there to deal with infantry.
It is also not true that ATGM's aren't used against infantry, they are, but usually they have different layout meaning HE-Frag warhead and Thermobaric, but what i suspect to be the case is that Russia never actually bought that type of ATGM's with Anti-Personal warheads, not in numbers, so they are stupidly stuck with either wasting ATGM's with HEAT warheads with limited capability against personal, scattered across or rely on striking formations against such targets those formations and tactics were designed to do.
The issue here is russia indeed never reported to buy ATGM's with He-Frag warheads and i doubt they have over 1000 of them of all heliborne variants in entire RF, which is a short sighted thing they did in the past.
Actually the US is doing it, because their MIC needs the money and advocating air strikes against 1-2 talibans in houses facing a whole platoon with Bradley and Abrams and soldiers equipped with Javelin's to call afterwards an air strike or artillery strike, is their way to go. The US army and its doctrines are dictated by money milking MIC not by actual war economics.
NationalRus wrote:are you stupid didnt you got what i said? show me Hydra attacks over enemy territory FULL of hundreds maybe thausends of troops in a small area who have also hundreds of heavy MG's at ther disposal???? i think Saudis this that a couple of times and lost at least 1 AH-64 as i remeber quite fast.
he strategic situation on the ground is not like afghanistan were the AH-64 at best hunt 2 dozen taliban with maybe one DSHK at the best, with modern electronic HUD sights for the rocket flyight path of the hydras, does the mi-24p's have them to??
Read post above as for the reasons why for russia and for US, certainly not their enemies to be supported with hundred millions to billions with support from Superpowers like ISIS is, Talibans are not supported except the support they recieve from US/UK for not attackign their supply convoys.
There is absolutley no difference in what the HUD tells russian helicopters about unguided rockets flight trajectory based on speed, O/EADS (Optical/Electronic Air Data Sensor), altitude and air density, temperature, range and direction West,North,East or South they are shooting. Apache recieves a precalculated impact radius as a reticle, Hinds, Havocs, Alligators and Black Sharks recieve them. Technology of the 70-80's.
NationalRus wrote: and i NEVER claimed the cary only hellfires! qoute me saying that or fuck off stop putting words in my mouth that i didnt use! and they use hellfires to even pick out single trucks or small groups hell they use GBU-12 on littel units in afghanistan if needed as CAS if they pin down a american force.
we got OLD helicopters from the late 80's flying near suicidal missions on extrem low levels above hundreds of enemy terrorists with A LOT of heavy weaponary in small operational zones = FACT already on the videos posted several of the hinds got hit by small arms fire already its pure LUCK that at no of this positions ther were flying over ther were a ZPU, Zu-23 or KPV ther
Again, they carry a highly aimed propaganda to be the best and to create this perception they pay shitload of money on controlling MSM and deny every possible loss they have. The losses of US in Iraq war far higher, their losses in Serbia were far higher then they initially have claimed, they denied their losses where they could until they were proven wrong on dozen different wars. Serbia, Belgrades museum of 1999 NATO and US aggression tells everything, 7 Apaches gone, some managed to crash land on Kosovo controlled soil, so they could deny it. They tried to deny any loss of RQ-170 stealth drone (the most modern,advanced and stealthy object created by humans) as they have propagandized and Iran hacked it and made their current drone technology based on what the americans have provided to them.
It would be very easy to see Apaches fly out of the sky like flies, they do not have basic MAW sensors, meaning they will never have a chance against even the oldest MANPADs and the isolated events were SA-7 Strelas have been used to shot down Apaches have proven that. The region does not have that many MANPADs unless a certain country wants them in certain hands for certain enemies only than they get wide spread. Apaches never faced more than 100 MANPADS of the 1st Generation from blackmarkets in Afghanistan and Iraq together but the Soviet Union faced alone 2500 Stingers in Afghanistan, not to mention US supplied Iglas,Strelas and Redeye's to Taliban via their Saudi shits of Arabia and Pakistan.
You should not compare such two things at all, one faces enemy supported, supplied and ultimatley created to overthrow a certain government vs a situation of non supported terrorists with no real funding,support or supply from Superpowers.
And cobras do use a lot of hydras in Iraq but US propaganda likes to show you more of the "guided,surgical weapons deployed" rather than their Carpet Bombing runs they did in Afghanistan with B-52 bombers.
Here footage of AH-1 in Iraq Hydraying ground forces near cities, purging for ground forces.
KVS wrote:All the claims and "evidence" supplied so far are a joke and your analysis is right on target. I think the lost missiles number is pulled straight from the Pentagon's collective ass:
So officially about 15% of Tomohawks fail. Hmmm. 26 x 0.15 = 3.9 or close to 4. Gosh, what a coincidence.
Your posts are a little legend of their own.
Cyberspec wrote:A couple of snapshots from one of the videos of the Mi-24's in the latest fighting....can't say for sure but it looks like they have a gatling gun instead of the side mounted twin 30mm cannon of the Mi-24P....so chances are they're Sy-AF Mi-25's
Those are Mi-24P, the GSh-30-2K extrudes a little bit and from that angle it looks maybe different, but that is not a V variant.
That CG picture shows a similiar angle of a Mi-24D to compare.
Militarov wrote:I dont think many, if any Mi24V remain to this day in service, at least not in their initial variant. Mi24P was chosen coz of powerful gun most likely and fact they are older part of the fleet but still young enough to be operated without having to perfom major repairs every 10h of flight.
I dont think they will be hauled back to Russia either, but you never know.
Not true, the vast majority of hinds around the globe and in russia are V variants, russia has more than 450 of them in service and many in storage. Mi-24P were chosen because they are the closed to a full CAS aircraft. The Mi-24P is superior to Su-25 when it comes to gun runs, it comes actually close to A-10, in kinetic power, better grouping and more lethal due better accuracy and range. That superiority in gun over Su-25 comes from longer barrel length and better maneuverability to adjust the helicopter more quickly on target instead like Su-25, that has to make long runs, adjust its alignment with target, get close in and then shoot to actually be effective. That leaves the Su-25 in a straight line to its target, which makes it easier to shoot at it with ground fire of all calibres especially for more modern SPAAG's-
In such territory a V model with 12.7mm would have to come even closer to just hit their Toyota trucks with HMG's, since YaKB-12.7 uses double cored steel rounds meaning only direct hits will kill, not fragmentations spreading. The only option would be Mi-24VM2 (Mi-35M) with GSh 23-2L. Mi-35M's should be there, but not unequipped of Vitebsk of course.
max steel wrote:Mi-24 dangerously launching flares everywhere in case a manpad is around. Respect. Sounds like liver eating buddy on the radio just wet his pants.
That is common tactic since the CIA deployed MANPADS to Taliban in Afghanistan. They lack MAW Sensors (Missile Approach Warning Sensor) to detect incoming missiles, meanign they have to start flaring in sequences to make it harder to even provide a lockon for such weapons. The americans and british do the same with their Apaches, which also lack MAWS and only RF (Recon Force) have them equipped, roughly 1/8th or less of the entire Apache fleet.
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