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sepheronx wrote:until there is official word from Russian Rosobornexport (SP?) I will wait to see it to believe it if it ever comes to be.
Pinto wrote:sepheronx wrote:until there is official word from Russian Rosobornexport (SP?) I will wait to see it to believe it if it ever comes to be.
why would this deal happen of a strategic and balance shifting for India i fail to understand. This will cause both Russia and India to loose on many fronts
Pinto wrote:sepheronx wrote:until there is official word from Russian Rosobornexport (SP?) I will wait to see it to believe it if it ever comes to be.
why would this deal happen of a strategic and balance shifting for India i fail to understand. This will cause both Russia and India to loose on many fronts
TheArmenian wrote:Pinto wrote:sepheronx wrote:until there is official word from Russian Rosobornexport (SP?) I will wait to see it to believe it if it ever comes to be.
why would this deal happen of a strategic and balance shifting for India i fail to understand. This will cause both Russia and India to loose on many fronts
Pakistan gets Su-35
India gets PAK-FA
Russia gets money
Everybody happy
OminousSpudd wrote:It'd be lovely if the Asian nations could put aside their plethora of disputes, even if it was just simply long enough to help Russia and its allies in putting the US beast to rest.
It seems it is too much to ask...
"Moscow is in talks with with Islamabad about selling an unknown number of Su-35 fighters to Pakistan, a traditional enemy of Russia's ally India, reports China's Global Times.
Perhaps but much more likely that no export would be A1 spec and there would be 'favourite' customers for A2 spec with the rest getting A3 etc. In that way even if A1 was the world's best 'lesser' countries might find Western stuff better or available as Russia does not have the production capacity that the West has, just look at the expected Lockheed F-35 volumes alone compared to Su plus MiG.victor1985 wrote:point is if russia would be best at all weapons they would for sure sell all
GarryB wrote:"Moscow is in talks with with Islamabad about selling an unknown number of Su-35 fighters to Pakistan, a traditional enemy of Russia's ally India, reports China's Global Times.
Chinas Global Times? Why not wait for a more reliable source like the UKs Guardian, or Americas Washington Post...
Having said that it would not be something totally new... Russia has already sold inferior aircraft to China while selling the superior model to India when it wants it.
Selling Pakistan Su-35s... which India does not want, and selling India their PAK FA indian variant is normal business practice... India seems happy to buy from the west and from Russia... perhaps if India wants to sign an exclusivity contract with Russia and buy only Russian equipment then it can have the right to veto Russian arms sales... until then it seems that Russia is only offering other countries that are hostile to India products India has rejected.
And to be honest this is first time literally i heard about this "Chinas Global Times". 
GarryB wrote:Selling Pakistan Su-35s... which India does not want, and selling India their PAK FA indian variant is normal business practice... India seems happy to buy from the west and from Russia... perhaps if India wants to sign an exclusivity contract with Russia and buy only Russian equipment then it can have the right to veto Russian arms sales... until then it seems that Russia is only offering other countries that are hostile to India products India has rejected.
sepheronx wrote:2 Squadrons wont even come close to the amount of sale in $ terms of Pak Fa to India (India wants over 100). So Su-35 sale will have to be in the 100's in order to be worth the sale. Any less and it is a hige potential loss.
sepheronx wrote:After reading how India is backstabbing and going to US, even in military agreements, I say it is free for all. If India wont want Pak Fa's, guaranteed Pakistan will, and Russia may work out a deal with them. Same with selling the jets to other countries too like Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, etc.
After this, I couldnt give a rats about India. They are trying to sit on two seats as Werewolf stated, begging to US, and really not being a good ally (lets not forget who supported India during troubled times and who supported Indias enemies).
So yeah, sell Su-35 to Pakistan.
GunshipDemocracy wrote:sepheronx wrote:After reading how India is backstabbing and going to US, even in military agreements, I say it is free for all. If India wont want Pak Fa's, guaranteed Pakistan will, and Russia may work out a deal with them. Same with selling the jets to other countries too like Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, etc.
After this, I couldnt give a rats about India. They are trying to sit on two seats as Werewolf stated, begging to US, and really not being a good ally (lets not forget who supported India during troubled times and who supported Indias enemies).
So yeah, sell Su-35 to Pakistan.
My impression is that you take this PAK FA and in general weapon sales on a bit emotional level. I believe that in geopolitics there is no love or hat only interests. And in any country there are groups of interest so politics is juts based on compromise between them. Why India bought US weapons we can only speculate but one is sure: greasing palms and warning of bad trade relations might be the reason. US interest is one: pull India out of BRICS and make sure there is bad atmosphere between Russia and India. There is also big leverage: market where India is exporting services... It is not Russian I am afraid.
That´s why IMHO Russia should really make sure relations with India good and prospects of trade growth is important as well.
sepheronx wrote:
It isnt just sales. Look at the Russia and Indian cooperation thrwad as I posted the links.
As well, why should Russia bend over back for India? Russia shown far more support in the past and this is how India pays respect to friends? Nah. Screw them. If they want to be burned in the future because of their willigness to bend over and take it by the US, then so be it. Russia should sell to whomever they want to, and not worry about how another nation will "feel". What will Russia gain out of this? Nothing but loss of prestige and loss of trade. While India can buddy it up with US?
Moscow is in talks with with Islamabad about selling an unknown number of Su-35 fighters to Pakistan GunshipDemocracy Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:07 pm
GarryB wrote:
Personally I am comfortable with Russia selling Hinds to Pakistan but not Su-35s.
I don't think Pakistan needs or should be spending money on such expensive aircraft... it should be getting its house in order and sorting its sht out before spending large on defence.
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