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sepheronx Thu Jul 09, 2015 5:34 pm

George1 wrote:This could be a setback for the relations with India however

"Rosoboronexport" to discuss with Pakistan the supply of Mi-35

When it was first mentioned about sales of Mi-35M to pakistan, apparently some mentioned that Russia approached India about it and told them/guaranteed them that the amounts to be sold and its purpose would be no issue for India, as it is supposed to be used as anti terror operated. And apparently India was cool with it.

Funny too that Pakistan is interested in it still, when they have recently received Wz-10.

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Kozhin: Russia can put Pakistan Su-35

Viktor Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:04 pm

Nice

Kozhin: Russia can put Pakistan Su-35

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sepheronx Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:06 pm

Viktor wrote:Nice

Kozhin: Russia can put Pakistan Su-35

Now this would piss India off. Not a good idea. India is a good friend and decent partner to Russia.

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max steel Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:24 pm

sepheronx wrote:

Viktor wrote:Nice

Kozhin: Russia can put Pakistan Su-35

Now this would piss India off. Not a good idea. India is a good friend and decent partner to Russia.

Exactly those Mi helos aren't an issue but this will literally piss India off . Pakis are operating american F-16s and Chinese J-XXs already . It will make indian govt uneasy .

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Cucumber Khan Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:54 pm

This seems to be nothing but wishful thinking from the russian side. Don't see this as ever happening.

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mack8 Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:22 pm

The RD-33 engines sold for the JF-17 are far more tactically relevant (for India) compared to some helicopters. Like i said before, unless Russia suddenly starts selling to the pakistanis dozens of S-400 batteries and hundreds of Su-35 and Su-34 and so on, i don't see any reason for strain in the current russian-indian strategic partheship over a handful of helos. It would be a very ill-conceived and mistaken reaction if that would happen.

PS: Oh, i see now Kozhin is talking about Su-35. Hmm... yeah, that wouldn't be terribly good. On the other hand, Russia could just secretely give India the codes! Win-win. Very Happy

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flamming_python Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:37 am

Hopefully he gets beaten with a cane for this - seriously dumb thing to say if said w/o approval.

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jhelb Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:20 am

Viktor wrote:Nice

Kozhin: Russia can put Pakistan Su-35

WOW! You the man Viktor. How do you get these news so fast. ........ thumbsup

This is really good. Second major deal for the Su 35 this year. russia

Russia has now successfully entered the competitive Pakistan market where China is the dominating chip stack

Россия может поставить Пакистану, помимо нескольких единиц вертолетов Ми-35М, истребители Су-35. Об этом сообщил помощник российского президента Владимир Кожин, передает РИА Новости.

По словам собеседника агентства, переговоры о подготовке контрактов на поставку Пакистану «нескольких штук» вертолетов Ми-35М, а также истребителей Су-35 продолжаются. При этом он подчеркнул, что пока нет информации о количестве истребителей, предполагаемых к поставке.

Ранее сообщалось, что Пакистану могут быть поставлены ударные вертолеты Ми-35М. Об этом заявил российский посол в этой стране, не уточнив количество боевых машин.

Самолеты Су-35 ранее не поставлялись за рубеж. В данный момент обсуждается контракт на продажу этих истребителей Китаю.

Су-35 — многофункциональный истребитель поколения 4++, глубокая модернизация самолета Су-27 с элементами бортового оборудования боевой авиации пятого поколения. Истребитель с 2011 года проходит испытания. Первые самолеты этого типа появились в войсках в конце 2012 года и переданы в опытную эксплуатацию.

http://military-informant.com/?p=26060

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Hachimoto Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:38 pm

If India can buy from any country .... well Russia can also sell to any country.

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Book. Sat Jul 11, 2015 5:57 am

US sell Greek + Turk no prob

it no differ

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jhelb Sat Jul 11, 2015 10:40 am

Book. wrote:US sell Greek + Turk no prob

it no differ

x2. You gotta be dispassionate in this trade. If Russia does not sell Su 35 to Pakistan today, simply because Indians will be offended then tomorrow China will reverse engineer the Su 35 and sell it to Pakistan.

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Werewolf Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:19 pm

Hachimoto wrote:If India can buy from any country .... well Russia can also sell to any country.

That i don't understand, the empire shithole demands sanctions on some bananarepublic that faces no threat to the empire but all other powerful nations then stop selling stuff. Absolutley nonsense. I would start focusing the sales on that specific country with discount. Fuck the bully.

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jhelb Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:05 pm

Great! It is now confirmed that Pakistan is a potential buyer. I just hope the price is right and that Pakistan can pay for it.

http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150726/1025064028.html

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Pinto Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:33 pm

sepheronx wrote:

Viktor wrote:Nice

Kozhin: Russia can put Pakistan Su-35

Now this would piss India off. Not a good idea. India is a good friend and decent partner to Russia.

Russia is still the largest defense weapons supplier to India and India's most trusted friends but if this deal went through with Pakistan at a time when india is engazed with Russia in billions of projects like FGFA, Frigates, Helcopters(200 Kamov+ 40 Mi17), AC Joint ventures and deal for submarines alone is worth 12b $,

Well Indian govt along with Indian public will not feel good if su 35 are allowed for Pak,

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mack8 Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:44 pm

Regarding that sputnik article, Su-35 to Brazil is unlikely, to Pakistan would be foolish, but China, Indonesia, Vietnam and Venezuela sound like good candidates. Plus apparently Algeria is thought to be interested in the Su-35 to replace the MiG-29s and MiG-25s according to algerian fora. Hopefully something would come out of those negotiations.

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Pinto Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:01 am

[quote="jhelb"]

Viktor wrote:Nice

Kozhin: Russia can put Pakistan Su-35

WOW! You the man Viktor. How do you get these news so fast. ........ thumbsup

This is really good. Second major deal for the Su 35 this year. russia

Russia has now successfully entered the competitive Pakistan market where China is the dominating chip stack

http://military-informant.com/?p=26060

do you know the annual defence budget of pakistan is 7B $ and the annual defense trade between Russia and India is equivalent to this in FGFA, Subs, Frigates and what not.

http://www.rt.com/op-edge/213835-russia-india-contracts-nuclear/

Its going to be diplomatic bluff to sell them highly offensive weapon like SU 35 AN

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jhelb Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:20 am

Pinto wrote:
do you know the annual defence budget of pakistan is 7B $ and the annual defense trade between Russia and India is equivalent to this in FGFA, Subs, Frigates and what not.

http://www.rt.com/op-edge/213835-russia-india-contracts-nuclear/

Its going to be diplomatic bluff to sell them highly offensive weapon like SU 35 AN

The US does the same. They sell the same weapons to India as they do to Pakistan...Apaches, Harpoons etc. So does Sweden. You guys don't seem to be having a problem with that. So why make an exception for RUSSIA? ? ?

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Pinto Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:28 am

jhelb wrote:

Pinto wrote:
do you know the annual defence budget of pakistan is 7B $ and the annual defense trade between Russia and India is equivalent to this in FGFA, Subs, Frigates and what not.

http://www.rt.com/op-edge/213835-russia-india-contracts-nuclear/

Its going to be diplomatic bluff to sell them highly offensive weapon like SU 35 AN

The US does the same. They sell the same weapons to India as they do to Pakistan...Apaches, Harpoons etc. So does Sweden. You guys don't seem to be having a problem with that. So why

U make an exception for RUSSIA? ? ?

Russia is regarded as close friend like a family not the US by general indian public. With US only specific weapons have been taken by India for Navy/ or Sino- India border

you first of all check Indo- Russian Defence deals year wise and then say is it right to ignore concern for such a dependable partner. Russia can go ahead if they feel India is no longer relevant but indian public will feel the pinch not alone indian govt

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danger007 Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:29 pm

jhelb wrote:

Pinto wrote:
do you know the annual defence budget of pakistan is 7B $ and the annual defense trade between Russia and India is equivalent to this in FGFA, Subs, Frigates and what not.

Its going to be diplomatic bluff to sell them highly offensive weapon like SU 35 AN

The US does the same. They sell the same weapons to India as they do to Pakistan...Apaches, Harpoons etc. So does Sweden. You guys don't seem to be having a problem with that. So why make an exception for RUSSIA? ? ?

Actually the sale of SU-35 to pakistan means undermining the Su-30Mki... deals between India-Russia are huge... India can't be replaced by pakistan...

3 billion$ Frigate deal
a $1.1 billion deal for 48 Russian-made Mi-17 multirole choppers.

FGFA project worth about 20B $,

there are plans to upgrade Su-30Mki to Super standard...

3rd Brahmos regiment being raised, more to come... like Brahmos-mini for air force, Block-2, and for navy.. Indian defence budget will reach 100B $ in upcoming decade... there are several deals which worth more than MMRCA or US bagged deals...

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flamming_python Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:04 pm

I agree selling the Su-35 to Pakistan is stupid.

Unless of course India itself OKs it but I can't imagine any way that would happen, and I can't imagine any way such a sale won't harm Russian-Indian ties.

Maybe the fatcats in the Russian government and Rosoboronexport should sober themselves up a bit before commiting to some foolishness.
This isn't like selling everything in the catalogue to Azerbaijan and thereby screwing over allied Armenia who has no-one else to turn to anyway.
India is a strong independent country, has plenty of alternatives and won't stand for such actions from Russia; a country with whom they are basically undeclared allies.

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sepheronx Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:26 pm

I dont think it will happen. More than likely Sputnik is just recapping what someone else said before hand. People in charge in Russia seemed to have been a lot smarter than this up till now, so I imagine it is someone just saying "there are interests in the jet" or trying to pressure India to sign the FGFA deal already.

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Pinto Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:09 pm

sepheronx wrote:I dont think it will happen. More than likely Sputnik is just recapping what someone else said before hand. People in charge in Russia seemed to have been a lot smarter than this up till now, so I imagine it is someone just saying "there are interests in the jet" or trying to pressure India to sign the FGFA deal already.

Yes you are right bro i hope all these are rumors, FGFA deal is slated to be signed in few months when Indian PM visit Moscow for annual Indo-Russian strategic summit meet russia

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Pinto Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:16 pm

flamming_python wrote:I agree selling the Su-35 to Pakistan is stupid.

Unless of course India itself OKs it but I can't imagine any way that would happen, and I can't imagine any way such a sale won't harm Russian-Indian ties.

Maybe the fatcats in the Russian government and Rosoboronexport should sober themselves up a bit before commiting to some foolishness.
This isn't like selling everything in the catalogue to Azerbaijan and thereby screwing over allied Armenia who has no-one else to turn to anyway.
India is a strong independent country, has plenty of alternatives and won't stand for such actions from Russia; a country with whom they are basically undeclared allies.

very pleased to read your comments bro Very Happy

"India and Indians can never forget the help in numerous forms received from Russia/Soviet Union. The relationship with Russia has been natural and it will continue to grow so despite so many tries by US to lure India away from Russia, India already walking a tightrope of diplomacy in relation with like US and Russia. Israel and Iran. But India will never ever take a step which can in any way hurt Russian interest. Latest example is Crimea where no US pressure worked on India

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sepheronx Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:18 pm

I imagine it is rumors. Pakistan wouldnt be able to afford many Su-35's and the ramifications of them being sold to Pakistan would devastating for Russian MIC.

I think it has more to do with the fact that the future of Su-35S was in question for exports due to no contracts signed between KnNapo and any foreign entity and it is saying "look whom are interested in it".

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Pinto Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:21 pm

India herself is desperate to sign FGFA deal at the earliest and also want early deliveries and is ready to bring down its role in FGFA project to 15% from earlier 25% for speedy delivery. All because of Rafale fiasco and i personally feel govt here acted foolishly in dealing with French.

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