The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

macedonian wrote:RT Breaking news

Donetsk self-defense forces agree to ceasefire until 0700 GMT Friday

The leader of self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic in eastern Ukraine agreed to a ceasefire in the region until 10 a.m. local time on Friday. He stressed that the self-defense force's ceasefire will come only as a reciprocal move.

"The duration of the ceasefire is the same as announced previously - before 10 a.m. on June 27. During this period monitoring by Russian and OSCE representatives will be organized. We hope that during ceasefire from both sides we will be able to reach an agreement and start consultations on the process of peaceful settlement of the conflict," Aleksandr Boroday, prime minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic said live on Rossiya 24 TV.

Aaaaaaand it ends:
tohub @ tohub 21 min.
# RT @ infokorpus Slovyansk, Ukrainian troops shelling Semyonovka.

http://i-korotchenko.livejournal.com/905687.html

For everyone who understands Russian.

Vann7 wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:Reaffirming my earlier post. Report: Polish minister says US ties worthless:

http://news.yahoo.com/report-polish-minister-says-us-ties-worthless-102515845.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory

Most likely that comment is staged and a mouth paid service for the jewish NEOCONS elite.. who are the ones pushing for world war 3.
They will like to see US to start world war 3 with Russia and will not mind a nuclear interchange... Since they are not in the front line ,
and they have rich properties all around the world ,they will survive any event or tragedy.

I'm sorry I can't say I agree with your sentiments, if anything it embarrasses NATO. More and more Poles are finding about the truth about NATO and the Pentagon, the whole Missile Shield business is about turning Poland in to a meat-shield for US hegemony. Polish people want to fight for their own countries interests, and not interests for countries that are far and away from the danger of conflict.

More on the scandal:



http://rt.com/news/167960-poland-us-sikorski-russia/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/737498

MOSCOW, June 24. /ITAR-TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin has asked the Federation Council (upper house of parliament) to cancel its resolution that allows to use Russian Armed Forces in Ukraine, presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JisJy5xbIA
Donetsk self-defense forces agree to ceasefire

lets hope that all this,.. is good news..

Yes, let's hope.

Meanwhile:

Ukraine military forces shoot at south-east settlement, woman killed in shootout
TASS

But what's REALLY interesting to me about that TASS report is:

TASS wrote:LUHANSK, June 24. /ITAR-TASS/. Ukrainian military forces shot at the settlement of Privolye near the city of Lisichansk in east Ukraine’s Luhansk Region overnight to Tuesday. A woman was killed in the shootout.

An electric power substation was destroyed that resulted in a halt to underground waters pumping from a neighboring coalmine that was consequently flooded. Coalminers managed to get out from the mine before the flood.

However, the situation in Luhansk remains relatively calm. The roar of an airplane, flying at high altitude over the city, was heard on Tuesday morning. “The warplane was on a reconnaissance flight,” the press service of the self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic . The city was not put on air alert.

Strange eh?

EU Council statements over Ukraine biased, unreal — Foreign Ministry
Russia's Foreign Ministry says the EU shoudl revise its approcahes in line with the real situation in Ukraine

MOSCOW, June 24. /ITAR-TASS/. European Union’s assessments of events in Ukraine are biased, politically charged and unreal, the Russian Foreign Ministry said on Tuesday in comments on the European Council meeting results on June 23.
“We had to note once again that Brussels’ assessments of Ukrainian events, continued hushing up of facts ‘unacceptable’ for the European Union, groundless and obviously falsified accusations against Russia are biased, politically charged and unreal,” the Russian diplomatic agency said.

“Is it possible to explain in other way the lack of any mention about the death of tens of children, multi-thousand flows of refugees who keep coming to Russia from Ukraine, numerous transgressions of Russian state border by the Ukrainian military and an indignant attempt at storming the Russian Embassy in Kiev in European Council’s ‘conclusions’?” the Russian Foreign Ministry contemplated.

TASS

Didn't watch the whole thing (only watched the first two-and-a-half minutes actually) but judging by the fairly good production effort, seems someone in Russia is preparing some positive PR for Novorossiya...which may (or may not) be a good sign that they're prepared, and have anticipated the scenario now developing.
Warning though, some parts are graphic.

macedonian wrote:Didn't watch the whole thing (only watched the first two-and-a-half minutes actually) but judging by the fairly good production effort, seems someone in Russia is preparing some positive PR for Novorossiya...which may (or may not) be a good sign that they're prepared, and have anticipated the scenario now developing.
Warning though, some parts are graphic.

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http://windowonheartland.blogspot.gr/
The historical basis of Novorossiya’s independence..!

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/interior-ministry-about-17000-police-personnel-dismissed-in-ukraine-353152.html

nterior Ministry: About 17,000 police personnel dismissed in Ukraine

MI-8 Helicopter of Ukrainian air force shot down near slavyansk, 9 soldiers reported dead. R.I.P

http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2014/06/24/7030008/
Под Славянском сбили украинский вертолет, 9 погибших

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Shelling of mine "Privolnyanka"

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http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_21/Oligarch-Kolomoisky-not-going-to-obey-Poroshenkos-plan-and-will-finish-off-militiamen-in-any-case-8563/

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Maidan last night

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http://en.ria.ru/world/20140624/190687541/Independence-Supporters-Say-Ukrainian-Forces-Continue-Fighting-.html

Militia down chopper near Slavyansk, 9 feared dead – military spokesman

arpakola wrote:MI-8 Helicopter of Ukrainian air force shot down near slavyansk, 9 soldiers reported dead. R.I.P

RIP u say?

Bearing in mind they were breaching a ceasefire. Aiming to kill innocent men, women and children.
Supporting a junta that was in power thro violence, and reflecting Nazism as a key core of its ambitions.

I'm thinking of rest in the peace the innocent Donbass people who just wanted to be treated fairly and not have their homes and hospitals shelled. Not those who are looking to terrorise them.

Firebird wrote:

arpakola wrote:MI-8 Helicopter of Ukrainian air force shot down near slavyansk, 9 soldiers reported dead. R.I.P

RIP u say?

Bearing in mind they were breaching a ceasefire. Aiming to kill innocent men, women and children.
Supporting a junta that was in power thro violence, and reflecting Nazism as a key core of its ambitions.

I'm thinking of rest in the peace the innocent  Donbass people who just wanted to be treated fairly and not have their homes and hospitals shelled. Not  those who are looking to terrorise them.

I though we've been through this already...
YES bearing all that in mind - RIP!
See, I'm an Orthodox Christian, and we pray for our enemies. We also respect the dead.

Not to mention it's a proper, human, civil thing to say.
It's also an attribute of heroes to stay gracious in time of victory.

I am too.
Why should we respect them, us as Christians? Do we respect Hitler?
Do we respect the scum that caused Beslan?

Some people might pray for their souls. Thats their choice. But they're more than just enemies. They were killed in the act of killing people who just wanted their basic human rights respected.
The reality is, they got what they deserved.

Ironically, if they had a conscience, I think it would be harder for them to rest in peace.
Thats just my view.

The reality is that innocent lives were saved here. Something most here are thankful for.
Again, just my view.

Firebird wrote:I am too.
Why should we respect them, us as Christians? Do we respect Hitler?
Do we respect the scum that caused Beslan?

Some people might pray for their souls. Thats their choice. But they're more than just enemies. They were killed in the act of killing people who just wanted their basic human rights respected.
The reality is, they got what they deserved.

Ironically, if they had a conscience, I think it would be harder for them to rest in peace.
Thats just my view.

The reality is that innocent lives were saved here. Something most here are thankful for.
Again, just my view.

Yes, that's your personal view.

This is not religious forum, and I don't want to derail the thread any further, but yes, we have respect for everyone, since being good only to the people we love isn't really an achievement. Trying to see the human side of your enemy is.

But Christianity aside, hate clouds one judgement in war or peace, and always ends in poor decisions.
And again, being valiant in war is something that heroes do. Even Strelkov in one of his interviews said RIP to the dead Ukrainians, one of the reasons, I truly respect the guy.

But, as you said, one can have his personal opinion.
Mine is that we should respect even our enemies. So, yeah, I say RIP.

 a Turkish drone was downed near halepo

Firebird wrote:I am too.
Why should we respect them, us as Christians? Do we respect Hitler?
Do we respect the scum that caused Beslan?

Some people might pray for their souls. Thats their choice. But they're more than just enemies. They were killed in the act of killing people who just wanted their basic human rights respected.
The reality is, they got what they deserved.

Ironically, if they had a conscience, I think it would be harder for them to rest in peace.
Thats just my view.

The reality is that innocent lives were saved here. Something most here are thankful for.
Again, just my view.

Actually  I'm an atheist.    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/h/heraclitus.html. (OK orthodox by tradition ,baptised also..)
 So I don't really care . is just a matter of manner...

Dmitry Steshin (war correspondent in Slavjansk) seems upbeat.

He says there is more and more volunteers and weapons coming to Slavjansk and he's not sure what "surprise" uncle Strelkov has in the cellar   
He speculates that this "betrayal" of Novorosija might end with a rebel offensive and uprising in Kharkov and Zaporozije



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So yeah, RIP

I can understand where you're coming from....but as far as I'm concerned, since they were SBU officers - Rest in Pieces

That should not be a surprise.. There are about 500,000 refugees in Russia from Ukraine.. and i noticed many
mens of combat age ,that have not yet joined the fight.. but that they could do if they get tired of being a refugee
and being jobless doing nothing in Russia. This is specially more true ,because Kiev have the intention to give the Fascist
their lands in Eastern ukraine. So eastern ukrainians have nothing in Russia only a tent that is not theirs.. and they have only
two options ..to become refugees without a house or land for the rest of their lives or to fight the pro NATO facist in Eastern ukraine.
Many refugees once their families secure in Russia ,will return to fight ,specially the older mens from 55+ that have not much to lose
and everything to win if the rebels wins. So if at least 5% of the refugees in Russia return to fight as Rebels.. that is about
25,000 new reinforcements that could pose a serious threat to kiev. If 10% return and join the rebels then you have about 50,000
new soldiers a significant force that should not be underestimated specially if they are trained and given the right weapons.
So being conservative.. The Pro Independence fighters will have no problems to at least get from 10,000 to 20,000 new fighters at the very
least from volunteers returning to Donetsk and Lugansk to fight for their territory that is the only thing they have. The numbers could be as high as 30,000 to 50,000 however if a major genocide of civilians happens in Eathern ukraine .

http://lifenews.ru/news/135578

Царев: После решения Путина власти Киева должны сами прекратить огоньЛидер движения "Юго-Восток" отметил, что в случае невыполнения обещаний Совфед России может разрешить ввести российские войска на Украину.  Олег Царев поддержал решение президента России Владимира Путина отменить решение о возможности использовании войск на территории Украине. Он сообщил, что в связи с этим киевские власти теперь должны сами, а не под давлением соседнего государства прекратить огонь.   – 24 июня в присутствии посла России и членов ОБСЕ состоялись консультации с представителями украинской стороны. Посланники Киева заявили, что они будут соблюдать режим перемирия на юго-востоке страны, – заявил Олег Царев. – Россия сделала шаг навстречу, дабы показать открытость и серьезность своих намерений и снизить накал противостояния. Теперь украинские власти должны самостоятельно прекратить огонь.

Глава движения также сообщил, что, если Киев не выполнит свои обещания, Совет Федерации может вернуть в силу решение о вводе войск на территорию Украины. При этом он отметил, что надеется на благоразумность властей страны.

– Я уверен, что у России хватит и других возможностей – экономических и политических, чтобы заставить власти Киева выполнить взятые на себя обязательства по перемирию. В случае их невыполнения Совет Федерации России может снова быстро принять решении об использовании российский войск на территории Украины.  

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Gubarev wrote:    Павел Губарев:

Срочно! Репост!

Мы с уважением относимся к принятому решению Владимира Владимировича, однако, считаю своим долгом отметить, что Украина и не собиралась исполнять взятые на себя обязательства перед мировым сообществом и своим народом, и практически сразу же нарушила условия мирного соглашения. Идут атаки на всех направлениях из стрелкового оружия, Семеновка и близлежащие населенные пункты подвергаются обстрелам гаубиц, танков и запрещенным ООН оружием как кассетными фосфорными снарядами.

Все это Украина делает лишь с одной целью - подписать соглашения с Евросоюзом. Далее Украина введет миротворческие силы ЕС и под их патронажем продолжит геноцид русского населения Новороссии.
Именно по этому мы просим ввести на территорию ДНР и ЛНР Российский миротворческий контингент. Формат может быть разный, возможен вариант и в составе ООН, но с ведущей ролью России.    

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there he is ..

I am completly shocked and confused about the Ukrainian militarys tactics and organisation ....   

First that incredibly careless loss of an entire para platoon in Luhansk, all those badly coordinated air sorties and the loss of pretty much most of their helicopter park. What is going on ? who is in charge there ? Politician .... ???? I know that Ukr army is in dire need of officers who are willing to take charge .... but honestly the style of executing those oeprations borders to treatury. Seems painfully familiar ....

arpakola wrote:

there he is ..

That guy is the Jen Psaki of NATO, making ridiculous claims that all the Anti-fracking demonstrations across europe are financed by Putin, to keep europe dependent on russian gas.

Rasmussen, is now the clown for anti-fracking demonstrations and green peace like organisations.

To same degree ludicrious statements came from German state propaganda ARD,ZDF and ORF austrian state propaganda after germans and austrians have posted on their internet sides that their one sided propaganda is harming german security and is warmongering against Russia.

All those people were now declared are: Putins online armee, consistent of jobless people who by coincidence speak fluently german are paid 40 euros to post on german propaganda news.

Here in germany there is a new Newspeech method trying to discredit people. It is called "Putin understander", if now someone has understanding or wants to understand a foreign president is now a bad guy someone who is supposedly a warmonger.

Our western MSM gone completley mad after they obviously lost the information war to russia.