The Situation in the Ukraine. #6

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Firebird wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

As Sa'iqa wrote:I am getting more and more convinced that if Ukraine does not manage to defeat the seps till the end of july, Poland should send it's forces. Two brigades on KTO Rosomak + brigade on Leo2A4 should suffice.

So Poland could have it's ass handed to them by Russia for the 6791789181898 time?

Yeah the Poles could drive them to Hohol-land Lvov themselves. Except they're all too business cleaning toilets over in England...

That sir is quite derogatory and offensive! For your information according to Radioslaw Sikorski, Poles are too busy smoking American sausages in those bathrooms, they'll be little room or time to clean them...plus my claims are backed up by the forensic "DNA" evidence they left behind. 

Strizh wrote:I hope that there wont be any truce they must destroy/capture the encircled troops!!!!!!

mack8 wrote:RIP to the 300 victims.
Supposedly, a spanish flight controller working in Ukraine said the malaysian plane was escorted  (or followed?) by 2 ukrainian fighters until minutes before being shot down.

fragmachine wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Firebird wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

As Sa'iqa wrote:I am getting more and more convinced that if Ukraine does not manage to defeat the seps till the end of july, Poland should send it's forces. Two brigades on KTO Rosomak + brigade on Leo2A4 should suffice.

So Poland could have it's ass handed to them by Russia for the 6791789181898 time?

Yeah the Poles could drive them to Hohol-land Lvov themselves. Except they're all too business cleaning toilets over in England...

That sir is quite derogatory and offensive! For your information according to Radioslaw Sikorski, Poles are too busy smoking American sausages in those bathrooms, they'll be little room or time to clean them...plus my claims are backed up by the forensic "DNA" evidence they left behind. 

And still doesn't show your countries. Or is it offensive? Generalisation isn't a thing a intelligent person use, I am right or wrong? Because some hypnotized idiots go to foreign country to clean toilets that's fine... For me and for the country. Let them waste itself in that EU mess.

Won't even mention the numbers - handed. Doesn't matter if Poland at times were winning with lesser army or losing in more numerous ones. Those nationalistic rants get boring, regardless of side disputing.

Reports from the militia headquarters say that the Ukrainian military have abandoned four townships on the Lugansk outskirts, the capital city of the self-proclaimed Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR) while the self-defence fighters entered the villages of Sabovka, Govorukha, Roskoshnoye and Georgievka.
At the same time units of the Ukrainian National Guard abandoned their positions in the village of Provalye.
The militiamen are advancing forward in the Donetsk Republic as well. Near the Marinovka locality 5,000 Ukrainian servicemen were entrapped and retreated.
In the nearby area of the village of Mospino the DPR units opened fire from the 120mm mortars on the enemy’s fortified positions that destroyed its freight and armoured transport an anti-tank system and killed 50 servicemen.
The combat actions for the villages of Amvrosiyevka and Izvarino are reported to go on.
The self-defence forces say that Ukrainian servicemen “on a massive scale drop their arms and flee into the Russian territory, with the estimated number of 100 people.

Co-chairman of Novorossiya’s People’s Front Konstantin Dolgov told ITAR-TASS.
Dolgov said that the militia possessed reliable information that the morgues of the city of Kharkiv were packed with 4,000 corpses, with an increase of 1,000 over the past week.“They include Ukrainian servicemen and also those who fought in the so-called special battalions,” he said.

DONETSK, July 17. /ITAR-TASS/. Militiamen of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) brought down a military transport Antonov-26 (An-26) plane of the Ukrainian Air Force on the outskirts of the town of Torez, eyewitnesses said. A missile hit the An-26, it fell on the ground and caught blaze, they said.
On July 14, militiamen of the self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic downed another An-26 of the Ukrainian Air Force.

Vann7 wrote: http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/134299-controlador-trafico-aereo-buelo-mh17-escoltado-cazas-ucranianos

So if all this is confirmed ,it will confirm a major division inside the Ukraine Military

Южнее Донецка-Саур-Могила.

Ополчение заняло Мариновку и разрушило понтонный мост на Миусе. Остался узкий коридор (причем извилистый для неплавающей техники), по которому еще в ночное время есть шанс вырваться. Но это уже «грозит» далеко не всем.

Котел разрезан на три части. Те кто не успел отступить к Кожевне блокированы в районах Бирюково и Провалья. Единственная коллона, у которой еще есть шанс выскользнуть из котла это та, которая сейчас стоит под Кожевней. Ночью и днем она несет потери от ДРГ ополчения и артиллерийского огня. Разрушение переправы через Миус делает невозможным прорыв неплавающей техники. Нужно обходить через Дмитровку 10 км, а потом назад 10 км и еще 10 вдоль Саура. И все время под ударами артиллерии, по минным полям и через засады ополченцев. Для плавающей только 10 км. Потому пока ступор колонны. Команды уходить всем кто еще может пока нет.

Одновременно с этим хунта отчаянно пытается вытащить хоть что-то из котла. Для этого в район Саура брошено все, что готовилось для охвата Донецка с юга. Но… пробить оборону ополчения там уже практически невозможно. Авиация после понесенных вчерашних потерь (на 6 вылетов 2 сбитых) с утра сидела на земле. Зато артиллерия карателей работает по полной. Снарядов и ракет не жалеют. Но пока безуспешно. Тактика карателей очень рискованная. Выведя все войска с Амвросиевки на Саур и гоня туда все подкрепления они могут получить другой котел, гораздо более опасный.

Ополчение постепенно подбирается к Амвросиевке. Утром ДРГ разгромила блок-пост в районе с. Металлист (Кутейниково). А это уже в тылу у Амвросиевки. С другой стороны, прекращение попыток прорвать окружение — это гарантированное и быстрое пленение остатков окруженных войск (прекращение попыток прорваться они воспримут как сигнал к сдаче). Хунта на это пойти не может. Поэтому она пытается спасти ситуацию, даже сильно рискуя обрушением всего южного фронта.

Севернее Донецка на фоне других фронтов затишье. Похоже, все что можно хунта сейчас гонит на Юг. Ополченцы им не мешают. У всех сейчас другие проблемы.

ЛНР

Треугольник (Рубежное-Северодонецк-Лисичанск). Атак хунты уже нет (хотя войск здесь пока предостаточно.). Ополчение само начинает прощупывать оборону карателей. Сегодня ночью разромлен артиллерией блок-пост в с. Старая Краснянка. ДРГ ополчения постоянно тревожат карателей ночными засадами и усановкой минных полей на лесных дорогах. По словам ополчения на них за последние дни подорвалось 4 танка. Вообще похоже и здесь для ополчения кризис миновал. Судя по их настрою они и здесь готовятся наступать. Самое перспективное здесь безусловно направление на Сватово. Заняв этот город (35 км от теперишних позиций) ополченцы фактически отрезают весь северный фронт. Снабжать большую группировку по полевым дорогам затруднительно и опасно (в случае дождей группировка будет фактически отрезана от остальной Украины). Кстати блок-пост, который разнесли этой ночью перекрывал как раз это направление. Другое перспективное направление это по северному берегу реки Северский Донец на Красный Лиман. Тут преимущество лесистой местности. Но стратегически это направление пока бесперспективно. Вопрос только в количестве наличных сил.

Stealthflanker wrote:Meanwhile in Indonesian forum. News streaming in..That it was the rebels that shot down the plane with Buk.

Cyberspec wrote:

It's possible....what's the source?

The Russian MOD says the JUnta has 27 BUK systems deployed in the Donetsk region

Stealthflanker wrote:
hmm and another one..claiming as "intercepted transcripts"

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/separatists-admit-downing-a-civilian-plane-in-tapped-conversation-full-transcript-356545.html

In Eastern Ukraine, the rebels have "1" Buk complex, while the Coup Kiev govt. has "27", which means the Kiev govt. is 27x more likely to have shot down the Malaysian passenger plane, let's not even talk about who has more radars.

Stealthflanker wrote:We're only got from one side source.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/17/us-ukraine-crisis-airplane-idUSKBN0FM22N20140717

There were also this :


hmm and another one..claiming as "intercepted transcripts"

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/separatists-admit-downing-a-civilian-plane-in-tapped-conversation-full-transcript-356545.html

Regular wrote:I still think it was rebels who brought the plane down, but it was mainly AC fault.
I doubt there was fighter jet escort, we will see when black box information is revealed. It's a day of joy for Ukr gov and big hit for rebels/Russia

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Regular wrote:I still think it was rebels who brought the plane down, but it was mainly AC fault.
I doubt there was fighter jet escort, we will see when black box information is revealed. It's a day of joy for Ukr gov and big hit for rebels/Russia

Despite the fact that Kiev declared a No Fly Zone over Eastern Ukraine 9 days earlier (July 8th)? It's strange how everyone seems to gloss over this piece of empirical evidence.

magnumcromagnon wrote:The word from journalists is that Kiev shot down the airliner, and the Pro-Russian rebels lack the necessary radars to do the job on top of the fact that Kiev declared a No Fly Zone over Eastern Ukraine July 8th. Let's see if Washington tries to pin this on Russia (Hillary and McCain already are pinning this on Russia), Russian's know their SAM systems designs and characteristics better than anyone else, on top of it all Russian OTH radar had the airspace of Ukraine under heavily surveillance, let's see if they try to pull the wool over the world's eyes and Russia should retaliate by countering their claims with empirical electronic evidence. I wanna see them try to "educate" Russia on the capabilities of their SAMS...