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sepheronx wrote:
Except for this time, they are not armed by US with Stinger missiles. Food for thought.
etaepsilonk wrote:sepheronx wrote:
Except for this time, they are not armed by US with Stinger missiles. Food for thought.
Offtopic:
- Spoiler:
In fact, about half or so of soviet losses were inflicted in pansher valley by massoud forces.
TheGeorgian wrote:What's the situation of Donbass battalion ? I've heard they got cut off or something ?
also, why are you arguing about Afghanistan and stuff. Was just a poor excuse to create fake connections with Saddam and invade Iraq as a consequence. In comparison with Soviet invasion which had mainly political background in first place the US lead crusade is mainly about profit and isolation. The only thing close to that the Russians ever tried was to place missiles in Cuba whereas US is trying to completly surround Russia with enemies. I never approved that despite having my own grudge against Russian politics. It's just insulting.
Werewolf wrote:
And you are wrong on exact this one. Soviet Union never tried to play aggression with the nukes on Cuba it was the Soviet reaction to the Jupiter missiles the US put prior to Cuba crisis in turkey to surround Soviet Union. Jupiter missiles are nukes.
MOSCOW, July 25 (RIA Novosti) – A system mix up during a Ukrainian air defense units’ rocket launch exercise could be the cause of the Malaysia Airlines crash in southeast Ukraine, a source from one of the Ukrainian defense departments told RIA Novosti.
“On July 17 the commanding officer of 156th Anti-Aircraft Regiment was instructed to conduct a training exercise of ground troops stationed near Donetsk, which involved deploying the troops, and carrying out a routine tracking and destroying of targets with the Buk-M1 missile,” the source said.
The source added that the actual launch of the rockets was not intended.
Two Sukhoi Su-25 combat aircraft on a reconnaissance mission participated in the exercise. It is likely at some point, the routes of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 and a Su-25 jet overlapped. Despite flying at different levels, they became a single dot on the radar of the missile system. Of the two, the system automatically chose a larger target.
The reasons for the actual missile launch taking place remain unknown and are still under investigation, as practical exercises with the Buk missiles has been prohibited since 2001, when a Russian Tu-154 passenger airplane en route from Novosibirsk to Tel Aviv was shot down by the Ukrainian military.
At the moment, an international team of 24 experts is investigating the plane crash. The B777-200 aircraft had a clean maintenance record and was last checked on July 11 at Malaysia Airlines’ hangar at Kuala Lumpur International Airport.
Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 heading from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur crashed on July 17 near the city of Donetsk in Ukraine, killing all 298 people on board. Kiev placed the blame on the independence supporters in eastern Ukraine for shooting the plane down, but the latter insisted they did not have the means to shoot down an aircraft flying at 32,000 feet.
No red lines, no YouTube clips, no "satellite images" of WMD this time: just more "straight to propaganda" speculation by the Pentagon. From Reuters:
The Pentagon said on Friday the transfer of heavy-caliber multiple-launch rocket systems from Russia to Ukrainian separatists appeared to be imminent with the arms close enough to the border they could be handed over "potentially today."
"We have indications that the Russians intend to supply heavier and more sophisticated multiple-launch rocket systems in the very near future," said Army Colonel Steve Warren, a Pentagon spokesman, adding that the weapons were in the over-200mm range.
Warren indicated the weapons had been seen getting closer to the border and the Pentagon believed a transfer was imminent and could happen "potentially today."
"We believe that they are able to transfer this equipment at any time, at any moment," he said.
So Russia "could", "potentially today" transfer rocket launchers to Ukraine. But wait, wasn't the same Pentagon reporting hours ago that Russia is now, with the entire world clearly watching, no longer even pretending to be not engaged and is firing at Ukraine forces directly from its own territory? Why would they stop now? And surely with every US spy satellite trained at east Ukraine, the moment this happens it will be blasted to every media outlet. Right?
More:
A multiple-launch rocket system is a wheeled or tracked vehicle mounted with multiple tubes capable of firing a half dozen or more guided or unguided rockets in quick succession at targets scores of miles (km) away. The rockets are generally 100mm to 300mm, with those over 200mm in the heavier-caliber category.
"We're very concerned with the quantity and the capability of weapons flowing from Russia into the Ukrainian separatists' hands," Warren said.
"There has been a continuous flow over the last several weeks of weapons and equipment from Russia to Ukraine," he said, noting that the "most egregious example" was a column of more than 100 vehicles crossing the border.
The Pentagon's assessment that a transfer of heavy weaponry was imminent came as Russian authorities accused Ukraine of firing a volley of mortar rounds across the frontier into Russia on Friday while a group of investigators was in the area assessing reports of cross-border shooting.
A Russian security official said up to 40 mortar bombs fired by Ukrainian forces fell in the Russian province of Rostov near the border where Ukrainian government forces are fighting pro-Russian separatists. There were no reports of injuries.
Then there was this:
EARNEST SAYS U.S. TALKING WITH EU ABOUT MORE RUSSIA SANCTIONS
And then, just to hammer home the message that crazy Putin, the "West's Public Enemy Number One" is about to invade Ukraine, we get this from Reuters:
MORE THAN 15K RUSSIAN TROOPS ON UKRAINE BORDER
Ok, we get it: the former KGB spy is on full tilt and deserves every #hashtag the West can unleash. So please activate the sanctions already, those including Gazprom and not the purely theatrical ones to date, and let's all sit back and watch what happens to Europe's economy.
In the meantime, due to popular demand, here is some cover art courtesy of William Banzai.
Werewolf wrote:It's pure hegemonic idiology of the past, modern imperialism on an insulting level. US playing world police like who the fuck asked them to .... ?
sepheronx wrote:Company In Which Joe Biden's Son Is Director Prepares To Drill Shale Gas In East Ukraine
TR1, now you blame Russia?
BRUSSELS, July 26. /ITAR-TASS/. Director of Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) Alexander Bortnikov, Director of Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) Mikhail Fradkov and President of Russian North Caucasian Republic of Chechnya Ramzan Kadyrov were put on the EU sanction list against Russia and Ukraine, the EU official journal said on Saturday.
The EU official journal has made public the July 24 EU Council’s decision expanding current ‘blacklist’ by 15 people, 18 companies and organisations.
The EU sanction list also included Chairman of Russian Security Council Nikolai Patrushev, Deputy Chairman of Russian Security Council Rashid Nurgaliyev, member of Russian Security Council Boris Gryzlov, chief of 5th Federal Security Service Directorate Sergei Beseda, lawmaker of Russia’s parliament lower house State Duma Mikhail Degtyarev, Governor of Russia’s southern Krasnodar Territory Alexander Tkachev, chief of the mobilisation department of the Defence Ministry of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic Pavel Gubarev and his wife Yekaterina Gubareva, high-ranking officer in the command of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) military forces Fyodor Berezin, the president of the self-proclaimed Republic of Novorossia, a confederative state of the Union of Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, Valery Kaurov, Novorossia militia commanders Sergei Zdrylyuk and Alexander Antyufeyev.
Nine companies and nine [state-run and public] organisations, including authorities of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic and the Lugansk People’s Republic (LNR) and Russian seaports of Sevastopol and Kerch are placed on the EU sanction list.
Now EU sanctions are imposed on 87 individuals and 20 legal entities. All of them are banned from entering Ukraine until November and if their assets are found in European banks they will be frozen, European businesses are banned from dealing with legal entities on the sanction list.
Flyingdutchman wrote:How can they ban someone from coming to a not EU country??
A multiple-launch rocket system is a wheeled or tracked vehicle mounted with multiple tubes capable of firing a half dozen or more guided or unguided rockets in quick succession at targets scores of miles (km) away. The rockets are generally 100mm to 300mm, with those over 200mm in the heavier-caliber category.
"We're very concerned with the quantity and the capability of weapons flowing from Russia into the Ukrainian separatists' hands," Warren said.
Vann7 wrote:Flyingdutchman wrote:How can they ban someone from coming to a not EU country??
Is only a ban to EU.. this is what the European Union is doing to try to calm the rage of the white house
that wants to sabotage Russia economy. The US senate and White House are angry for failing to block
the Mistral sale and for failing to blockade Russia energy business. The real sanctions however is the
discussion about sanctions to Russia. The discussions alone creates doubts in European and American Investors
and scare them to invest their money in Russia. But that group of potential investors already left Russian the Russia economy since the First sanctions of US in Russia. Sanctions to Russia means .. USA + Major allies not investing more in Russia. So is only a western thing..it cannot impact Russia business in EuroAsia. This is why
Russia cannot be isolated.. because US will never have control of Asian economies as much they will love to.
In just 5-10 years Russia will start receiving a lot of money from China and India ,that wants to buy exclusively all their energy from Russia and ditch Australia ,Canada US and saudi Arabia. Japan and South Korea are also interested in Russian gas pipelines. Russia will be filthy rich.
On other news..
One American Economist is saying that there are secret Plans and discussions between Germany and Russia ,
to join the BRICS and ditch the American dollar and the EU.
http://actualidad.rt.com/economia/view/135055-plan-secreto-alemania-union-brics
That news have spread in all internet like wild fire.. If half of what he says is true.. it will be a MAJOR kick in the balls of the western american - jewish banking system.Germany is the most strongest economy in all Europe by far ,the most technologically advanced and the one with the biggest military capabilities. Something like that will be truly scary for NATO even though is an economic relation ,but sooner or later will also cover defense when relationship grow. Because will mean their most capable economically and militarily European nation will jump ship. IF i was Germany i will have done that long time ago.. Under BRICS ,they will own all Asia automobile industry but also in Medicine and equipment for hospitals. Germany and Russia united could truly own the world.
between the things they both can produce and sale. Russia supply the rare materials and energy ,Germany the technology and China the cheap labor. India also can give brilliant engineers and the biggest client of them.
Right now Germany is still under an occupation of US after world war 2..with american military bases everywhere. with the help of Russia and BRICS they can easily recover their Independence and kick all US bases from their land and become again as powerful as it was one time but without firing a single shot.
Hannibal Barca wrote:
Please stop using the laughable term US and allies and tell things as they stand.
US and conquered countries. Let's face reality. It's nasty but we are slaves.
quote@ Benesha
I am ashamed to be a EU citizen. Please Mr Putin, give me the Russian nationality out of moral grounds.
Vann7 wrote:Flyingdutchman wrote:How can they ban someone from coming to a not EU country??
Is only a ban to EU.. this is what the European Union is doing to try to calm the rage of the white house
that wants to sabotage Russia economy. The US senate and White House are angry for failing to block
the Mistral sale and for failing to blockade Russia energy business. The real sanctions however is the
discussion about sanctions to Russia. The discussions alone creates doubts in European and American Investors
and scare them to invest their money in Russia. But that group of potential investors already left Russian the Russia economy since the First sanctions of US in Russia. Sanctions to Russia means .. USA + Major allies not investing more in Russia. So is only a western thing..it cannot impact Russia business in EuroAsia. This is why
Russia cannot be isolated.. because US will never have control of Asian economies as much they will love to.
In just 5-10 years Russia will start receiving a lot of money from China and India ,that wants to buy exclusively all their energy from Russia and ditch Australia ,Canada US and saudi Arabia. Japan and South Korea are also interested in Russian gas pipelines. Russia will be filthy rich.
On other news..
One American Economist is saying that there are secret Plans and discussions between Germany and Russia ,
to join the BRICS and ditch the American dollar and the EU.
http://actualidad.rt.com/economia/view/135055-plan-secreto-alemania-union-brics
That news have spread in all internet like wild fire.. If half of what he says is true.. it will be a MAJOR kick in the balls of the western american - jewish banking system.Germany is the most strongest economy in all Europe by far ,the most technologically advanced and the one with the biggest military capabilities. Something like that will be truly scary for NATO even though is an economic relation ,but sooner or later will also cover defense when relationship grow. Because will mean their most capable economically and militarily European nation will jump ship. IF i was Germany i will have done that long time ago.. Under BRICS ,they will own all Asia automobile industry but also in Medicine and equipment for hospitals. Germany and Russia united could truly own the world.
between the things they both can produce and sale. Russia supply the rare materials and energy ,Germany the technology and China the cheap labor. India also can give brilliant engineers and the biggest client of them.
Right now Germany is still under an occupation of US after world war 2..with american military bases everywhere. with the help of Russia and BRICS they can easily recover their Independence and kick all US bases from their land and become again as powerful as it was one time but without firing a single shot.
Flyingdutchman wrote:Vann7 wrote:Flyingdutchman wrote:How can they ban someone from coming to a not EU country??
Is only a ban to EU.. this is what the European Union is doing to try to calm the rage of the white house
that wants to sabotage Russia economy. The US senate and White House are angry for failing to block
the Mistral sale and for failing to blockade Russia energy business. The real sanctions however is the
discussion about sanctions to Russia. The discussions alone creates doubts in European and American Investors
and scare them to invest their money in Russia. But that group of potential investors already left Russian the Russia economy since the First sanctions of US in Russia. Sanctions to Russia means .. USA + Major allies not investing more in Russia. So is only a western thing..it cannot impact Russia business in EuroAsia. This is why
Russia cannot be isolated.. because US will never have control of Asian economies as much they will love to.
In just 5-10 years Russia will start receiving a lot of money from China and India ,that wants to buy exclusively all their energy from Russia and ditch Australia ,Canada US and saudi Arabia. Japan and South Korea are also interested in Russian gas pipelines. Russia will be filthy rich.
On other news..
One American Economist is saying that there are secret Plans and discussions between Germany and Russia ,
to join the BRICS and ditch the American dollar and the EU.
http://actualidad.rt.com/economia/view/135055-plan-secreto-alemania-union-brics
That news have spread in all internet like wild fire.. If half of what he says is true.. it will be a MAJOR kick in the balls of the western american - jewish banking system.Germany is the most strongest economy in all Europe by far ,the most technologically advanced and the one with the biggest military capabilities. Something like that will be truly scary for NATO even though is an economic relation ,but sooner or later will also cover defense when relationship grow. Because will mean their most capable economically and militarily European nation will jump ship. IF i was Germany i will have done that long time ago.. Under BRICS ,they will own all Asia automobile industry but also in Medicine and equipment for hospitals. Germany and Russia united could truly own the world.
between the things they both can produce and sale. Russia supply the rare materials and energy ,Germany the technology and China the cheap labor. India also can give brilliant engineers and the biggest client of them.
Right now Germany is still under an occupation of US after world war 2..with american military bases everywhere. with the help of Russia and BRICS they can easily recover their Independence and kick all US bases from their land and become again as powerful as it was one time but without firing a single shot.
A few months ago there was a big discussiant in the Netherlands About the EU as more and more people want to leave the EU, if germany Leaves the EU Great britain and the Netherlands together with alot other countries Will follow.
Sujoy wrote:Are the "separatist" really Russians ? That's what need to be established first .
Does the ability to speak Russian makes you Russian ?
IIRC , if you can speak Russian you will understand almost 85% of Ukrainian and the opposite is also true .
Therefore , why is it not possible that the "separatist" are actually ethnic Ukrainian with sufficient knowledge of Russian ?
Fire opened on Lviv mayor's house from antitank grenade launcher
KIEV, July 26 (Itar-Tass) - Fire was opened on the Lviv mayor's house from an antitank grenade launcher overnight, Ukrinform news agency reported on Saturday.
On Friday, at about 23:30 local time (00:30 Moscow time), a shot was fired from a grenade launcher at the house in which Lviv Mayor Andrei Sadovy with his family live. A shell hit the garret on the third floor. The shell explosion damaged the roof and windows. Nobody was hurt.
The news agency said a Mukha grenade launcher was found not far from the house.
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/742396
Sujoy wrote:Are the "separatist" really Russians ? That's what need to be established first .
Does the ability to speak Russian makes you Russian ?
IIRC , if you can speak Russian you will understand almost 85% of Ukrainian and the opposite is also true .
Therefore , why is it not possible that the "separatist" are actually ethnic Ukrainian with sufficient knowledge of Russian ?
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