The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

Vann7 wrote:

TheGeorgian wrote:So without further stinging and provoking, please provide me, us with some valid information about what is going on right now. May the souls of the airliner incident rest in peace. But I want more military detail of the crisis. Like how's the situation of rebels fortifying themselves in Donetsk. Nobody still gave me an answer if insurgents do or do not have self-propelled howitzers for instance. Please stay on topic.

Pretty much the Rebels have captured almost any weapon the Ukraine army have. I don't know if you missed the capture of a repair center with 200 tanks/armored vehicles a month ago..more or less. They even were reports they captured one Su-25 that had to do its pilot an emergency landing.. but without weapons that plane is pretty much useless unless they remove the cockpit and throw molotov bombs on Ukraine position..    Of course you need a real pilot to operate them..  There was also some unconfirmed reports they capture some time ago a Buk defense system from the ukie army.. but none of that have been confirmed.  However reports of Grad rockets and self propell artillery , there were some of them.. that rebels captured a few of them too. In videos however it can be confirmed  the Rebels have Portable Mortars and manpads in enough numbers.  All of that taken from the ukie army.

By looking at the map situation and their lose of Slavyanks week ago ,it appears Russsia support for rebels is very limited if any. And that rebels have very strong fighters from abroad ie Serbians and kosacks. But so far majority of Rebels are from eastern Ukraine .

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http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com.br

they have very good reports not only from Ukraine conflict but also Middle east.
and when it comes to Ukraine , the reports there says that the Ukraine army had some small territorial but not very important gains in terrain here and there but at the expense of catastrophic human loses and losing a lot of hardware to the rebels.. It appears that they are under big pressure to win the war fast no matter the casualties.
also that kiev army have been pushing to try to take control of the crash site.

here is a summary of July offensive by kiev.. pretty much they have been beaten hard ,even when scoring marginal gains in territory in the north and near the crash site. The Novorossiya forces believe the Ukraine army is nearly out of steam ,and showing first signs of collapse. This could explain why Poroshenko is asking for a new round of forced recruitment .

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com.br/2014/07/the-ignominious-conclusion-of-kiev.html

MOSCOW, August 2 (RIA Novosti) – The EU member states have agreed “behind the back” to lift restrictions on supplying Kiev with military equipment that may be used for internal repressions, the Russian Foreign Ministry said Saturday.
“We noticed that at the recent meeting at the European Council in Brussels the leaders of the EU member states “quietly” agreed to lift the restrictions on the exports of equipment to Ukraine that may be used for internal repressions. The export of military technologies and equipment has been also allowed,” the ministry said in a statement.
The ministry said the move is "pierced" by double standards and runs counter to the rules governing control of exports of military technology and equipment adopted by the EU Council on December 8, 2008.
In particular, Russian diplomats stressed that one of the provisions “urges not to grant a license for exports of military technology or equipment, which could trigger or prolong an armed conflict or aggravate existing tensions in the country of final destination.”
The Russian Foreign Ministry urged Brussels to reinstate the ban on supplies of military equipment to Ukraine. “Without this [move] the responsibility of the European Union for the continuing bloodshed in southeastern Ukraine is expected to grow,” the ministry said, also calling on the EU to listen to reason, not Washington’s instructions.
The ministry explained that the earlier restrictions were introduced by the European Council on February 20 when Ukraine’s Viktor Yanukovych was the country’s president and there were fierce clashes between armed Maidan radicals and police.
“At that time the European Union thought it was wrong to supply the Yanukovych regime with special equipment and weapons. Now, despite the continuing military operation by the current Kiev authorities in the country’s southeast, the EU thought it is necessary to resume issuing licenses for the exports of military equipment in full,” the ministry said.
In mid-April, Kiev launched a military crackdown on independence supporters in eastern Ukraine. According to the latest UN report, the conflict has claimed the lives of 1,129 civilians since then, with another 3,442 injured.
Moscow has repeatedly condemned Kiev’s “war against own people” and urged an immediate stop to the punitive operation, advocating for a peaceful resolution to the crisis.

TR1 wrote:

Mike E wrote:I don't want to sound like TR1 (no offense), but I do sincerely believe that Russia should have done more to keep Ukraine stabile. That being said, keeping a country stabile while the West' controls it is no easy task!

Yeah, you wouldn't want to sound like you are capable of critical thinking !

This thread is hilarious. No, it really is.

How dare ANYONE suggest Russia did ANYTHING wrong in Ukraine! That basically has been the gist of the last two pages.

At this point I find it humiliating personally to even be associated with such a laughable discussion thread, and by extension, forum.

Farewell.

TheGeorgian wrote:
I would compare this a bit with US civil war. Union had the manpower and weapons, while tactical superiority was on confed side. This is how I see it here. Rebels def are superior in terms of strategy, tactics .... and that's what they have to be in order to survive.

dionis wrote:

TR1 wrote:

Mike E wrote:I don't want to sound like TR1 (no offense), but I do sincerely believe that Russia should have done more to keep Ukraine stabile. That being said, keeping a country stabile while the West' controls it is no easy task!

Yeah, you wouldn't want to sound like you are capable of critical thinking !

This thread is hilarious. No, it really is.

How dare ANYONE suggest Russia did ANYTHING wrong in Ukraine! That basically has been the gist of the last two pages.

At this point I find it humiliating personally to even be associated with such a laughable discussion thread, and by extension, forum.

Farewell.

The 3 T-64s are about the closest thing I've seen to any real evidence of some support - so that was a good find/repost/whatever.

How's about the supposed Buk which might have shot down MH17?

Werewolf wrote:

The BUK was already proven to be ukrainian in a city occupied by ukrainian army for months.

Regular wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

The BUK was already proven to be ukrainian in a city occupied by ukrainian army for months.

No. Update Your info. But it was not in same spot as Ukrainian idiots in SBU claimed.

Vann7 wrote:

This is the weapon that will come very handy for the Novorrosya militia.
Fully portable 1.5km range ,one time use to barbeque the Kiev neonazis..
take a look..   



Combine that with lazer artillery and Kornets-D and you will have a winner.

medo wrote:http://ria.ru/infografika/20140731/1018256300.html

Some ration between Ukrainian army and Novorussian army. Interesting is, that Novorussian army have now around 20.000 soldiers, what make ration between Novorussian and Ukrainian army to 1:2. I doubt Ukraine will be able to mobilize additional 60.000 soldiers, because Ukraine will not be able to pay for such big army, also people are not willing to join. Novorussian army will have to get more volunteers to increase their numbers to 40.000 and Russia will have to give more weapons and supplies to them. With 40.000 soldiers, even if Ukraine manage to increase their number to 100.000, will not be able to do much more as they could do now. I hope those 4 Ukrainian brigades with 1500 soldiers encircled at Russian border will soon surender and give all weapons to Novorussian army and I hope Novorussian army will keep them in captivity and not return them back to Ukrainian side. They will not last very long as they are now without food and water. Surrender of 4 brigades, what is practically a quarter of Ukrainian army, will bring a great release to Novorussian forces.

Original: Colonel Cassad LiveJournal
Translated from Russian by Gleb Bazov

"The Junta offensive has petered out in most areas. The ambitious plans of encirclement of Donetsk and Gorlovka has failed. The Ukrainian Minister of Defence, Valeriy Geletei, has announced that the Junta’s capacity for offensive operations has been exhausted, following which the Junta started to make inquiries in Belarus, with the intention of having Lukashenko act as an intermediary in negotiations. The Junta is in desperate need of a break to continue regrouping and concentrating its forces. In general, while the situation is difficulty, it is clearly leaning in favour of the Militia, which has been able to repel a massive offensive by a regular army on most fronts. "

Particularly sensitive was the Junta’s defeat in the areas of Shakhtersk and Saur-Mogila, where even the deployment at the front lines of over 250 armoured vehicles did not achieve in any way appreciable results. Nevertheless, the occupation of the larger part of Debaltsevo has complicated the lines of communication between DPR [Donetsk People’s Republic] and LPR {Lugansk People’s Republic] is allowing the danger of encirclement of Donetsk and Gorlovka from the north to persist. While, in view of the defeat near Shakhtersk, there can no longer be talk of a complete encirclement of Donetsk, the Junta, having fortified itself in Debaltsevo, might try to attempt the less ambitious task of encirclement of Gorlovka. The Junta retains sufficient strength to do so, and, in essence, the area of the front between Gorlovka and Alchevsk remains the only one where the Junta is still able to undertake an offensive aimed at achieving serious operational goals. That is why we should not rush in saying that the Junta offensive has completely failed. In the very near term, the battles for Debaltsevo will demonstrate whether the Junta is able to advance any further, or we will gradually see the Junta forces enter a period of serious difficulties.

If you zoom the picture in, you can tell their noses are completely different.

An encircled unit of the Ukrainian troops is negotiating with the militia about surrendering, the militia told RIA Novosti.

The Ukrainian troops have been cut off from supply lines in the Sverdlovsk area of the Lugansk Region not far from the Russian border, where they were sent to take control of the border but were trapped instead.

The militia said that the Ukrainian unit offered to destroy some 70 military vehicles in their possession and leave behind all small arms and ammunition, if they were guaranteed safe passage to Kiev-controlled territory.

The offer was not taken up by the militia, who said they wanted to capture the armored vehicles intact, they told the news agency.

TheGeorgian wrote:sounds veeeery made up. I don't believe any military unit with 70 combat vehicles would not at least try to break through encirclement ( in which they would definitly succeed ). Sounds way to fairy talish, even for UA standart.