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PAK DP prospective long-range interceptor
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Backinblack wrote:Russian Aircraft Corporation MiG is developing a new interceptor to replace MiG-31.
http://mil.today/2015/Weapons11/
Yeah, similar news appared almost 2 years ago, we shall see what happens. My gut says it will be either MiG31 or MiG 1.44 based + borrowed technology from SU35/PAK-FA, nothing too exotic, coz they dont have alot of money to throw in that project imo.
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Interview with the head of the RAC "MiG" Sergei Korotkov.
He says that a new aerial system is needed to solve the problems of air defence assigned to MiG-31, which actually increased - based on new principles, new materials. It will be an airplane. Work is already underway to determine the shape of the aircraft, and it is not an initiative
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1642309.html
He says that a new aerial system is needed to solve the problems of air defence assigned to MiG-31, which actually increased - based on new principles, new materials. It will be an airplane. Work is already underway to determine the shape of the aircraft, and it is not an initiative
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1642309.html
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Adapt and Overcome: New Russian Interceptor to Replace MiG-31
The Russian Aircraft Corporation MiG is currently working on a new military aircraft to replace the MiG-31, according to media reports.
Despite being one of the fastest combat aircraft in the world, the Mikoyan MiG-31 (NATO reporting name: Foxhound) supersonic interceptor went out of production in 1994. However, as Russia still requires this type of aircraft to protect its sizeable airspace, the Russian Aircraft Corporation MiG is already working on a new combat aircraft which will eventually replace the old reliable Foxhound.
"The MiG-31 is in great demand to meet our country’s air defense needs. But it went out of production some time ago, although the functions assigned to the MiG-31 will still be required," the corporation’s CEO Sergei Korotkov told Russian Vedomosti newspaper. "We need a new aircraft to deal with these problems—which have, in fact, grown—based on new principles and new materials. And we understand what kind of airplane it will be: work is already underway to determine the aircraft’s design."
Korotkov didn’t share any other details regarding the new interceptor. However, when asked whether the sixth generation fighter will be a manned or unmanned plane, he replied that UAVs are unlikely to completely replace manned aircraft in the foreseeable future.
"I think manned and unmanned combat aircraft will coexist for a long time. Today, even though the intelligence of combat systems is growing rapidly, they still need a human to make a final decision," Korotkov remarked, according to Vedomosti.
"For simple tasks, unmanned aircraft will be enough, but for complex ones, a human presence—either as an onboard pilot or a drone operator—is still needed."
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160101/1032572760/combat-aircraft-interceptor-development.html#ixzz3vzst9ZZ5
The Russian Aircraft Corporation MiG is currently working on a new military aircraft to replace the MiG-31, according to media reports.
Despite being one of the fastest combat aircraft in the world, the Mikoyan MiG-31 (NATO reporting name: Foxhound) supersonic interceptor went out of production in 1994. However, as Russia still requires this type of aircraft to protect its sizeable airspace, the Russian Aircraft Corporation MiG is already working on a new combat aircraft which will eventually replace the old reliable Foxhound.
"The MiG-31 is in great demand to meet our country’s air defense needs. But it went out of production some time ago, although the functions assigned to the MiG-31 will still be required," the corporation’s CEO Sergei Korotkov told Russian Vedomosti newspaper. "We need a new aircraft to deal with these problems—which have, in fact, grown—based on new principles and new materials. And we understand what kind of airplane it will be: work is already underway to determine the aircraft’s design."
Korotkov didn’t share any other details regarding the new interceptor. However, when asked whether the sixth generation fighter will be a manned or unmanned plane, he replied that UAVs are unlikely to completely replace manned aircraft in the foreseeable future.
"I think manned and unmanned combat aircraft will coexist for a long time. Today, even though the intelligence of combat systems is growing rapidly, they still need a human to make a final decision," Korotkov remarked, according to Vedomosti.
"For simple tasks, unmanned aircraft will be enough, but for complex ones, a human presence—either as an onboard pilot or a drone operator—is still needed."
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160101/1032572760/combat-aircraft-interceptor-development.html#ixzz3vzst9ZZ5
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On the basis of the MiG-31, proposed to create a new high-altitude interceptor MiG-41
http://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2016/01/20/377210.html
http://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2016/01/20/377210.html
High-altitude fighter-interceptor MiG-31, which according to experts still do not have analogues in the world, can become the basis for the creation of modern high-altitude combat aircraft MiG-41, said, "Interfax-AVN" on Wednesday, a member of the Duma Committee on Defense Alexander Tarnaev.
"This view is not only deputies, but also the development and production of this unique aircraft, which they expressed in the visiting session of our committee in Lukhovitsy near Moscow (branch corporations" MIG "-" Interfax-AVN ") and Nizhny Novgorod plant" Sokol "where serially produced MiG-31, and is now undergoing modernization, "- said A.Tarnaev.
He said that in response to the appeal of the State Duma deputies to the country's leadership, decided to include the project of creating long-term high-altitude interceptor, the new armament program with the terms of the realization in 2020. "This car will be the further development of the fighter-interceptor MiG-31, which is a decade ahead of its time. We do not exclude that its development can begin before 2020, since such a plane is very necessary to our armed forces," - said A.Tarnaev.
According to him, some time ago there was a special meeting of the Defense Committee of the MiG-31 interceptor. The participating experts noted the unique characteristics of the aircraft. Managing Director - General Designer of "" OAO Alexander Inozemtsev, for example, said that the design features of the fuselage such that when you install new engines on a plane, he might even go hypersound.
"As far as I know, all were built more than 500 high-altitude interceptor MiG-31. In the ranks is currently in the order of 100 machines. Until such time as the MiG-41 begins to enter the army, the last modernization of high-altitude interceptors will remain in the Air- Russian Space Forces, "- said A.Tarnaev.
He said that thanks largely to the support of the State Duma deputies managed to preserve this unique aircraft in service and start its modernization. Today the modernized MiG-31BM has come into force. "Last September, during a working visit of members of the Duma Defense Committee in the Nizhny Novgorod region and visiting the plant" Sokol "we had the opportunity to personally make sure that there is a large-scale modernization of the MiG-31. The plant successfully fulfilling the state defense order for the modernization of MiG-31. It is pleased that the legendary plane again, "stands on the wing," - said A.Tarnaev.
The supersonic fighter-interceptor MiG-31, developed by the Russian Aircraft Corporation "MiG". It is designed for long patrols and combat high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft, strategic bombers and low-flying targets. Aircraft was produced at the Nizhny Novgorod aircraft building plant "Sokol" In total, between 1976 and 1994 were issued 533 aircraft of various modifications.
Earlier, Deputy Assistant Director General of RAC "MiG" Mikoyan Hovhannes (son Artem Mikoyan aircraft designer) told reporters that the fighter-interceptor MiG-31 has a high potential, he will be able to successfully operate a century.
"This - is my favorite airplane. Even a hundred years, he can defend our sky, because it is - a unique machine that has no direct analogues abroad. It is made of steel and titanium, has a maximum speed of 3 thousand kilometers per hour. Four fighter-interceptor MiG-31, operating in a single information field, may block the front of 900 km, tracking and destroying dozens of foreign cars. " - O.Mikoyan said.
The contract for the modernization of the 2019 order of 60 MiG-31 was concluded with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in 2011.
The upgraded MiG-31BM has a modern management system, target detection range up to 320 km, the defeat - 280 km. The aircraft is capable of simultaneously hitting 6 and track up to 10 air targets. Due to the avionics and weapons of the new generation of the effectiveness of the MiG-31BM compared with the MiG-31 has increased by 2.6 times
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Austin wrote:On the basis of the MiG-31, proposed to create a new high-altitude interceptor MiG-41
High-altitude fighter-interceptor MiG-31, which according to experts still do not have analogues in the world, can become the basis for the creation of modern high-altitude combat aircraft MiG-41, said, "Interfax-AVN" on Wednesday, a member of the Duma Committee on Defense Alexander Tarnaev.
"This view is not only deputies, but also the development and production of this unique aircraft, which they expressed in the visiting session of our committee in Lukhovitsy near Moscow (branch corporations" MIG "-" Interfax-AVN ") and Nizhny Novgorod plant" Sokol "where serially produced MiG-31, and is now undergoing modernization, "- said A.Tarnaev.
He said that in response to the appeal of the State Duma deputies to the country's leadership, decided to include the project of creating long-term high-altitude interceptor, the new armament program with the terms of the realization in 2020. "This car will be the further development of the fighter-interceptor MiG-31, which is a decade ahead of its time. We do not exclude that its development can begin before 2020, since such a plane is very necessary to our armed forces," - said A.Tarnaev.
According to him, some time ago there was a special meeting of the Defense Committee of the MiG-31 interceptor. The participating experts noted the unique characteristics of the aircraft. Managing Director - General Designer of "" OAO Alexander Inozemtsev, for example, said that the design features of the fuselage such that when you install new engines on a plane, he might even go hypersound.
"As far as I know, all were built more than 500 high-altitude interceptor MiG-31. In the ranks is currently in the order of 100 machines. Until such time as the MiG-41 begins to enter the army, the last modernization of high-altitude interceptors will remain in the Air- Russian Space Forces, "- said A.Tarnaev.
He said that thanks largely to the support of the State Duma deputies managed to preserve this unique aircraft in service and start its modernization. Today the modernized MiG-31BM has come into force. "Last September, during a working visit of members of the Duma Defense Committee in the Nizhny Novgorod region and visiting the plant" Sokol "we had the opportunity to personally make sure that there is a large-scale modernization of the MiG-31. The plant successfully fulfilling the state defense order for the modernization of MiG-31. It is pleased that the legendary plane again, "stands on the wing," - said A.Tarnaev.
The supersonic fighter-interceptor MiG-31, developed by the Russian Aircraft Corporation "MiG". It is designed for long patrols and combat high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft, strategic bombers and low-flying targets. Aircraft was produced at the Nizhny Novgorod aircraft building plant "Sokol" In total, between 1976 and 1994 were issued 533 aircraft of various modifications.
Earlier, Deputy Assistant Director General of RAC "MiG" Mikoyan Hovhannes (son Artem Mikoyan aircraft designer) told reporters that the fighter-interceptor MiG-31 has a high potential, he will be able to successfully operate a century.
"This - is my favorite airplane. Even a hundred years, he can defend our sky, because it is - a unique machine that has no direct analogues abroad. It is made of steel and titanium, has a maximum speed of 3 thousand kilometers per hour. Four fighter-interceptor MiG-31, operating in a single information field, may block the front of 900 km, tracking and destroying dozens of foreign cars. " - O.Mikoyan said.
The contract for the modernization of the 2019 order of 60 MiG-31 was concluded with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in 2011.
The upgraded MiG-31BM has a modern management system, target detection range up to 320 km, the defeat - 280 km. The aircraft is capable of simultaneously hitting 6 and track up to 10 air targets. Due to the avionics and weapons of the new generation of the effectiveness of the MiG-31BM compared with the MiG-31 has increased by 2.6 times
The Mig-41 should not come before 2025th. A look at the Chinese J-20 could be valuable here. Why not venture in China 12 J-20 buy to profit of cognitions?
The Mig-31BM should get another upgrade in 2022. With a 1200 mm Super Irbis-E2 radar and L-band in the wings.
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Russia is the country that designed the J-20, not China. Buying the J-20 from China is akin to setting a big pile of money on fire.Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:Austin wrote:On the basis of the MiG-31, proposed to create a new high-altitude interceptor MiG-41
High-altitude fighter-interceptor MiG-31, which according to experts still do not have analogues in the world, can become the basis for the creation of modern high-altitude combat aircraft MiG-41, said, "Interfax-AVN" on Wednesday, a member of the Duma Committee on Defense Alexander Tarnaev.
"This view is not only deputies, but also the development and production of this unique aircraft, which they expressed in the visiting session of our committee in Lukhovitsy near Moscow (branch corporations" MIG "-" Interfax-AVN ") and Nizhny Novgorod plant" Sokol "where serially produced MiG-31, and is now undergoing modernization, "- said A.Tarnaev.
He said that in response to the appeal of the State Duma deputies to the country's leadership, decided to include the project of creating long-term high-altitude interceptor, the new armament program with the terms of the realization in 2020. "This car will be the further development of the fighter-interceptor MiG-31, which is a decade ahead of its time. We do not exclude that its development can begin before 2020, since such a plane is very necessary to our armed forces," - said A.Tarnaev.
According to him, some time ago there was a special meeting of the Defense Committee of the MiG-31 interceptor. The participating experts noted the unique characteristics of the aircraft. Managing Director - General Designer of "" OAO Alexander Inozemtsev, for example, said that the design features of the fuselage such that when you install new engines on a plane, he might even go hypersound.
"As far as I know, all were built more than 500 high-altitude interceptor MiG-31. In the ranks is currently in the order of 100 machines. Until such time as the MiG-41 begins to enter the army, the last modernization of high-altitude interceptors will remain in the Air- Russian Space Forces, "- said A.Tarnaev.
He said that thanks largely to the support of the State Duma deputies managed to preserve this unique aircraft in service and start its modernization. Today the modernized MiG-31BM has come into force. "Last September, during a working visit of members of the Duma Defense Committee in the Nizhny Novgorod region and visiting the plant" Sokol "we had the opportunity to personally make sure that there is a large-scale modernization of the MiG-31. The plant successfully fulfilling the state defense order for the modernization of MiG-31. It is pleased that the legendary plane again, "stands on the wing," - said A.Tarnaev.
The supersonic fighter-interceptor MiG-31, developed by the Russian Aircraft Corporation "MiG". It is designed for long patrols and combat high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft, strategic bombers and low-flying targets. Aircraft was produced at the Nizhny Novgorod aircraft building plant "Sokol" In total, between 1976 and 1994 were issued 533 aircraft of various modifications.
Earlier, Deputy Assistant Director General of RAC "MiG" Mikoyan Hovhannes (son Artem Mikoyan aircraft designer) told reporters that the fighter-interceptor MiG-31 has a high potential, he will be able to successfully operate a century.
"This - is my favorite airplane. Even a hundred years, he can defend our sky, because it is - a unique machine that has no direct analogues abroad. It is made of steel and titanium, has a maximum speed of 3 thousand kilometers per hour. Four fighter-interceptor MiG-31, operating in a single information field, may block the front of 900 km, tracking and destroying dozens of foreign cars. " - O.Mikoyan said.
The contract for the modernization of the 2019 order of 60 MiG-31 was concluded with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in 2011.
The upgraded MiG-31BM has a modern management system, target detection range up to 320 km, the defeat - 280 km. The aircraft is capable of simultaneously hitting 6 and track up to 10 air targets. Due to the avionics and weapons of the new generation of the effectiveness of the MiG-31BM compared with the MiG-31 has increased by 2.6 times
The Mig-41 should not come before 2025th. A look at the Chinese J-20 could be valuable here. Why not venture in China 12 J-20 buy to profit of cognitions?
The Mig-31BM should get another upgrade in 2022. With a 1200 mm Super Irbis-E2 radar and L-band in the wings.
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The Mig-41 should not come before 2025th. A look at the Chinese J-20 could be valuable here. Why not venture in China 12 J-20 buy to profit of cognitions?
The Mig-31BM should get another upgrade in 2022. With a 1200 mm Super Irbis-E2 radar and L-band in the wings.
Well why J-20 if MiG-1.44 is still in Russia
AFAIK J-20 is not a long range interceptor. Stealth is not really key feature for heavy-interceptor: but range, speed,ceiling are. MiG-31 frame is aerodynamically hard to improve only when requirements will change form will follow (like max speed 5,000km/h)I presume updated concept of MiG 301/321 can have it´s chance
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Mig-41 apparently is designed to fly faster than missiles.. up to match 4.3.
http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160124/1033636651/russia-plane-development.html
Pak-da hypersonic and Mig-41 close to it.. sound like a dream come true.
hopefully they do it .
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PAK-DA is supposed to be subsonic, not hypersonic. Flying wing design does not really allow even supersonic, let alone hypersonic speeds. And when its about "MiG 41", it will be most likely just deep redesign of MiG31 with new technologies and materials i wouldnt expect something like MiG301, maybee eventually something based on 1.44.
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Confirmation about the MiG-31 successor MiG-41
The upgraded MiG-31 will be on the videoconferencing service until 2028
The upgraded MiG-31 will be on the videoconferencing service until 2028
After 12 years of fighter-interceptor MiG-31 finish its existence, because you can not always make upgrades to the aircraft, the head of the KLA delegation Sergey Korotkov. According to him, now we need to start developing a new aircraft to replace.
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Viktor wrote:Confirmation about the MiG-31 successor MiG-41
The upgraded MiG-31 will be on the videoconferencing service until 2028
After 12 years of fighter-interceptor MiG-31 finish its existence, because you can not always make upgrades to the aircraft, the head of the KLA delegation Sergey Korotkov. According to him, now we need to start developing a new aircraft to replace.
So many different claims regarding MiG31, just 2 months ago we had claims how it can serve till at least 2040. with updates.
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With a new AESA radar and updated avionics and new engines it should be perfectly capable of doing its job for some time to come.
It is rather heavy, but that is a direct consequence of needing to fly fast... some of the upgrades could include new composite materials and heat resistant metals... that new heat resistant aluminium would be ideal for upgrades as the reduced weight yet good tolerance to high speed (high temperatures) would allow an enormous improvement in performance and a simplification of maintainence and a serious weight reduction which would also improve acceleration and flight range and speed.
A change of engine to allow bypass air to be used as a ramjet with the turbojet airflow cut down to almost nothing would allow much higher flight speeds without requiring too much exotic technology...
It is rather heavy, but that is a direct consequence of needing to fly fast... some of the upgrades could include new composite materials and heat resistant metals... that new heat resistant aluminium would be ideal for upgrades as the reduced weight yet good tolerance to high speed (high temperatures) would allow an enormous improvement in performance and a simplification of maintainence and a serious weight reduction which would also improve acceleration and flight range and speed.
A change of engine to allow bypass air to be used as a ramjet with the turbojet airflow cut down to almost nothing would allow much higher flight speeds without requiring too much exotic technology...
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The interceptor MiG-41 will improve all parameters
http://rg.ru/2016/04/06/perehvatchik-na-baze-mig-31.html
New fighter-interceptor based on the MiG-31 will receive an improvement of almost all important parameters, said in an interview with TV channel "Star" President and General designer of Ramenskoye design Bureau (RPKB) Givi Janjgava.
- Fighter will be a continuation of ideas and technologies MiG-31: slightly increase the speed, the range of the radar, range of weapons. But the fact that it modernization is modern: its main feature is that it initially was a network plane, and this is very important, - said the expert. - In the modern world, planes don't fly solo: it is the complexes that include dozens of cars, and this significantly improves combat effectiveness. Now, the MiG-31 at a time when no one talked about network groups, had the avionics, which allowed to coordinate the group.
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higurashihougi wrote:Wonder will that future 6th gen also fulfil the role of MiG-25/31/41 ? Considering the described properties it is also a suitable interceptor.
Or interceptor of that time will me Mach 10+++
I guess MiG-41 will use updated airframe of MiG-31 (as airflow physics remains the same
and everything elas ewill be nwe, engines, materials, avionics, weapons...and 6th gen will be totally new stuff. Hypersonic, strato/mezopheric (starwars warfare?).
http://www.mechel.ru/press/press/kuznitsa?rid=24847&oo=6&fnid=68&newWin=0&apage=1&nm=136736&fxsl=view.xsl
"Uralkuz" produced stamping for upgraded interceptor aircraft
Factory "the Ural smithy" (OAO "uralkuz", part of the Mechel Group) produced a batch of stamped products used in the production of upgraded fighter-interceptor based on the MiG-31.
Aviation complex long-range interception based on the MiG-31 is intended for interception and destruction of air targets at extremely small, small, medium, and high altitudes, at any time and in any weather conditions when use of enemy radar interference and false thermal purposes.
In the framework of the order "the Ural smithy" has mastered serial production of more than ten new kinds of forgings: parts of the fuselage, wings, fuel tanks. High-alloy steel grades for these aircraft parts produced Chelyabinsk branch of the company specializing in production of special alloys.
Today "uralkuz" makes forming of titanium, corrosion-resistant, heat-resistant steels and alloys, carbon and alloy steel grades for almost all the leading enterprises of aviation industry of Russia. Parts used in the manufacture of the most modern aircraft. Quality products aviation applications since 2000, is certified by the Aviation register of the Interstate aviation Committee.
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Even just keeping the existing layout and design, the improvements in materials should dramatically reduce weight and increase heat resistance with heat resistant aluminium alloys they have developed as well as new titanium alloys they could use would have a large effect on performance.
Improvements in electronics and indeed simply the reduction in weight of instruments in the cockpits alone would have huge benefits.
Also improvements in engines would allow the increase in speed to be significant without increasing fuel burn.
A variable cycle turbofan engine with with the bypass flow allowing fuel to be added to act like a ramjet so at high speeds the air flowing through the engine will mostly be bypassing the turbojet hot section and will be flowing around the cold section and having fuel added and burned like a ramjet allowing much higher operational speeds with much much less stress on the engines.
A cruise speed of mach 3.2-3.5 should be achievable and sustainable over rather longer ranges due to reduced weight and higher exhaust speed from the engines...
A newer wing design would allow much better manouver performance at lower speeds and efficient cruise at higher speeds too.
Scramjet powered missiles would greatly extend missile reach too.
Improvements in electronics and indeed simply the reduction in weight of instruments in the cockpits alone would have huge benefits.
Also improvements in engines would allow the increase in speed to be significant without increasing fuel burn.
A variable cycle turbofan engine with with the bypass flow allowing fuel to be added to act like a ramjet so at high speeds the air flowing through the engine will mostly be bypassing the turbojet hot section and will be flowing around the cold section and having fuel added and burned like a ramjet allowing much higher operational speeds with much much less stress on the engines.
A cruise speed of mach 3.2-3.5 should be achievable and sustainable over rather longer ranges due to reduced weight and higher exhaust speed from the engines...
A newer wing design would allow much better manouver performance at lower speeds and efficient cruise at higher speeds too.
Scramjet powered missiles would greatly extend missile reach too.
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GarryB wrote:Even just keeping the existing layout and design, the improvements in materials should dramatically reduce weight and increase heat resistance with heat resistant aluminium alloys they have developed as well as new titanium alloys they could use would have a large effect on performance.
Very true, I meant something like MiG-41 vs Mig-31 like Su-35 vs. Su-27...
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This is another case political infighting. Russ MoD are allocating serious money from 2017 to interceptor project.
NOw SUkhoi has become the monopoly for all civil military programs inside UAC. UAC itself is the worlds second largest aerospace holding.
UAC has copied all the features of interceptor aircraft and is selling them as 6th generation aircraft(Sukhoi product).RUss MOd has clearly given its preference for MIG interceptor.
It will be interceoptor , bomber, feature speeds close to Mach 5 and stealth. All the features are copied same to sam ein Sukhoi 6th generation fighter.
Russ MOd wants the MIG35 sensors to come close to T-50(except the stealth feature) so that the MIG 41 project gets the required momentum.
Bottom line:HUge spendign for Sukhoi 6th gene fighter and MIG 41 (whose specs are as advanced as SUkhoi 6th gen , basically copy paste of each other) may be a huge waste of resources.
SOmeone will have to GIVE IN .. maybe the MIG 41 project will be stalled kind of inorder to accelerate Su 6th gen development.
This would be unfortunate.Whatever happened in 1990 to 2005 (MIG and sukhoi)same will happen from 2020 to 2035(mig and sukhoi).
Well time will tell which product gets preference but unless oil prices go back to usd 100 /barrel .. both projects cannot go..
NOw SUkhoi has become the monopoly for all civil military programs inside UAC. UAC itself is the worlds second largest aerospace holding.
UAC has copied all the features of interceptor aircraft and is selling them as 6th generation aircraft(Sukhoi product).RUss MOd has clearly given its preference for MIG interceptor.
It will be interceoptor , bomber, feature speeds close to Mach 5 and stealth. All the features are copied same to sam ein Sukhoi 6th generation fighter.
Russ MOd wants the MIG35 sensors to come close to T-50(except the stealth feature) so that the MIG 41 project gets the required momentum.
Bottom line:HUge spendign for Sukhoi 6th gene fighter and MIG 41 (whose specs are as advanced as SUkhoi 6th gen , basically copy paste of each other) may be a huge waste of resources.
SOmeone will have to GIVE IN .. maybe the MIG 41 project will be stalled kind of inorder to accelerate Su 6th gen development.
This would be unfortunate.Whatever happened in 1990 to 2005 (MIG and sukhoi)same will happen from 2020 to 2035(mig and sukhoi).
Well time will tell which product gets preference but unless oil prices go back to usd 100 /barrel .. both projects cannot go..
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The MiG-31 like the MiG-25 and Tu-128 Fiddler, and indeed the Su-15 and Su-11 and Su-9 were all PVO interceptors... I rather suspect there will be room for a PVO funded dedicated interceptor where stealth is not as important as speed, range, and payload capacity of very large and very long range missiles... likely including anti satellite missiles too.
A separate fighter will likely be wanted in 5-10 years in the light 5th or light 6th gen range... which will not be similar to an interceptor requirement.
A separate fighter will likely be wanted in 5-10 years in the light 5th or light 6th gen range... which will not be similar to an interceptor requirement.
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GarryB wrote:That means the vertical stabs won't be blocked by wing and hull at high AoA.
Keep in mind this is an interceptor... so long range, high flight speed, ability to fly very high or very low if needed are all useful features along with very big radar/sensors, and significant payload of air to air weapons...
High manouver capability, along with stealth are secondary and would actually likely reduce performance in more important areas.
With new engineering , combination of both high speed , maneuverability , and stealth possible
Twin fins is good for stability, but two fins is twice as heavy and increases drag compared to one.
On the other hand if you have two they don't generally need to be as big as they need to be when you only have one...
If the new aircraft has leading edge root extensions like the MiG-29/35 and Flankers then twin fins
improve performance as they generally are in line with the energised vortexes generated by the LERXs, which improves control and stability...
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The MiG-31 like the MiG-25 and Tu-128 Fiddler, and indeed the Su-15 and Su-11 and Su-9 were all PVO interceptors... I rather suspect there will be room for a PVO funded dedicated interceptor where stealth is not as important as speed, range, and payload capacity of very large and very long range missiles... likely including anti satellite missiles too.
Well in these days of financial crunch and overloading Industry specially the aviation Industry. Russia simply does not have the resources to build the infrastructure of MIG 41 and SU(6th gen )simultaneoulsy.
The investment needed to build near hypersonic (high altitude interceptor, space iterceptor , ground bombing(using near hypersonic) , shock attack missions on land, sea (using near hypersonic)) would be like 20 billion dollars at an exchange rate of 65 rubles/usd.
We are now talking about 2 parallel investments in Sukhoi and MIG.This is preposterous. No body in sane mind would go for this.
I think when MIG has accumulated the experience of high speed engines(MIG-31 )derivatives and developed a high altitude interceptor. The same aircraft can be configured for land , sea attack missions to destroy U.S missile defenses, air defenses , THAAD. MIG 41 for interceptor and maybe MIG 51 ground bombing missions.
That would be the end of NATO if they see this heavy interceptor deeply modified for land attack missions.This land attack hypersonic aircraft would need sensor packages to similar to the T-50 sensor package inorder to overwhelm air defense systems
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It is quite simple to develop such systems. I recall that Hyde and I over at mp.net talked about how interchangeable systems can be and what can be done. Essentially, This next interceptor will be developed by MiG corporation. It will though, incorporate many technologies that exist currently through MiG-35 program and it will ultimately make it cheaper. I imagine that subsystems, which most are all owned by 1 company - Rostec, will also have such systems ready to make the MiG-41 interceptor due to how they produce components needed for PAK FA program and others.
This is how I think Russia solved the issue of the past of having to fund two separate projects - have an entity that has control of the major subsystems that cost the most in terms of development. In this case, Rostec.
This is how I think Russia solved the issue of the past of having to fund two separate projects - have an entity that has control of the major subsystems that cost the most in terms of development. In this case, Rostec.
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Different tools for different jobs.
If you think they wont develop a 6th gen fighter and the MiG-41 then you have to ask yourself why they are upgrading the current MiG-31s instead of just developing an interceptor version of PAK FA.
The aerospace defence force will have its own budget and will be able to afford all sorts of new toys.
There will be a lot of overlap in capabilities and performance between a 5th or 6th gen fighter and a dedicated interceptor, but there will be enough differences to warrant a separate design.
Hypersonic speed would be desirable and the ability to carry rather large and heavy missile over rather great distances.
A very large radar or radar arrays would be useful, but stealth would be of little use.
Different sensors to detect threats and targets would be useful including short, medium and long wave IR sensors as well as a variety of radar sensors in different wavelengths and detection equipment, but also datalinks so that several aircraft can work together looking for targets and threats.
Hypersonic speed, very high altitude capability and large missiles would make satellites vulnerable to this sort of aircraft too.
If you think they wont develop a 6th gen fighter and the MiG-41 then you have to ask yourself why they are upgrading the current MiG-31s instead of just developing an interceptor version of PAK FA.
The aerospace defence force will have its own budget and will be able to afford all sorts of new toys.
There will be a lot of overlap in capabilities and performance between a 5th or 6th gen fighter and a dedicated interceptor, but there will be enough differences to warrant a separate design.
Hypersonic speed would be desirable and the ability to carry rather large and heavy missile over rather great distances.
A very large radar or radar arrays would be useful, but stealth would be of little use.
Different sensors to detect threats and targets would be useful including short, medium and long wave IR sensors as well as a variety of radar sensors in different wavelengths and detection equipment, but also datalinks so that several aircraft can work together looking for targets and threats.
Hypersonic speed, very high altitude capability and large missiles would make satellites vulnerable to this sort of aircraft too.
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i see no reason for supersonic interceptor if you have supercruising pak-fa. maybe some enhanced version of pak-fa with less stealth, no lerx , standard inlets ,round nozzles etc...
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But will the maker of the MiG-31 replacement be MiG or Sukhoi?
I suspect it will be MiG and as such I think they will use their own subcontractors rather than those working with Sukhoi to develop the PAK FA.
If the 6th gen fighter can manage sustained hypersonic speeds then the issue is blurred, but for the moment the PAK FA is probably not fast enough and probably can't carry enough air to air missiles at high speed for the job despite having lots of powerful sensors.
In fact it would be interesting to see what a converted Tu-22M3 would be like as a heavy long range interceptor with inflight refuelling added it would be able to carry a very large number of heavy AAMs on its belly in conformal locations, plus the internal rotary launcher should be able to carry perhaps 6 or 12 more long range weapons.
A very large belly mounted and wing pylon mounted missile could be used for anti satellite use for launch at high altitudes and high speeds... perhaps new scramjet engines would be needed, but it could carry an enormous nose mounted radar...
I suspect it will be MiG and as such I think they will use their own subcontractors rather than those working with Sukhoi to develop the PAK FA.
If the 6th gen fighter can manage sustained hypersonic speeds then the issue is blurred, but for the moment the PAK FA is probably not fast enough and probably can't carry enough air to air missiles at high speed for the job despite having lots of powerful sensors.
In fact it would be interesting to see what a converted Tu-22M3 would be like as a heavy long range interceptor with inflight refuelling added it would be able to carry a very large number of heavy AAMs on its belly in conformal locations, plus the internal rotary launcher should be able to carry perhaps 6 or 12 more long range weapons.
A very large belly mounted and wing pylon mounted missile could be used for anti satellite use for launch at high altitudes and high speeds... perhaps new scramjet engines would be needed, but it could carry an enormous nose mounted radar...