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Libyan Crisis

GarryB

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Post n°126

Re: Libyan Crisis

GarryB Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:25 am

The irony is that the west and Europe did their best to break Libya... which resulted in the flood of refugees to Europe...

Now the Russians are trying to fix the country and help restore law and order they are complaining that the flood of refugees was Russias doing and it wasn't their fault at all...

I would say Russia should provide submarine transport to African refugees and arm each one so that they wont just get deported when they get to Europe without a fight...

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Post n°127

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M60TM Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:07 am

Turkish defense minister holds official visits in Libya

Turkey's defense minister on Nov. 5 held meetings with Libyan officials in the capital Tripoli.

According to a Defense Ministry statement, Hulusi Akar met at the Prime Ministry with officials including Fayez al-Sarraj, the head of Libya's Presidential Council, and chaired meetings between the delegations.

Akar also met with Libyan Interior Minister Fatih Ali Bashagha and Khalid al-Mishri, head of the High Council of State (HCS).

During the meetings, cooperation between the two countries on defense, military, and regional security issues was discussed.

Currently, two rival seats of power are vying for supremacy in Libya: an internationally recognized national unity government based in Tripoli, and an “interim” government supported by a legislative assembly based in the eastern city of Tobruk.

Headed by al-Sarraj, the Tripoli government was established in early 2016.

Turkish defense minister holds official visits in Libya

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George1

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George1 Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:29 pm

Russian PM outlines Russia’s position on providing unity in Libya

Medvedev is currently on his visit to Italy to take part in the international conference on Libya

PALERMO /Italy/, November 13. /TASS/. Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev and other participants of the international conference on Libya held a preliminary meeting ahead of the plenary session, at which they shared their views on the settlement of the situation in this country. Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Mikhail Bogdanov told reporters that the meeting lasted more than two hours.

"Each participant outlined his country’s approach (to the settlement of the crisis,) Dmitry Medvedev outlined Russia’s position on the way unity in the country should be provided," the diplomat said.

"Head of Libya's Government of National Accord Fayez al-Sarraj and commander of the Libyan National Army Khalifa Haftar took part in this meeting," he said.

The negotiations were also attended by Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte, President of Tunisia Beji Caid Essebsi, France’s Minister of Europe and Foreign Affairs Jean-Yves Le Drian and President of the European Council Donald Tusk.

More:
http://tass.com/world/1030602

starman

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Post n°129

Re: Libyan Crisis

starman Sat Apr 06, 2019 4:58 pm

Did Hifter miscalculate his chances of taking Tripoli?

Admin

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Post n°130

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Admin Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:27 pm

starman wrote:Did Hifter miscalculate his chances of taking Tripoli?

He is a pawn of Egypt and the Gulf States, he is the only one with the financial backing to prevail. EURONAVFOR has suspended its enforcement of the Libyan arms embargo which tells me the French and Italians are backing his moves.

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Post n°131

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PapaDragon Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:15 pm

Is Toyota Corporation trying to finally win that coveted seat at UN security council? Cool

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miketheterrible Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:31 pm

Everyone is backing heftar now. Russia has been for quite some time.

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Post n°133

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Isos Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:23 pm

Vladimir79 wrote:

starman wrote:Did Hifter miscalculate his chances of taking Tripoli?

He is a pawn of Egypt and the Gulf States, he is the only one with the financial backing to prevail. EURONAVFOR has suspended its enforcement of the Libyan arms embargo which tells me the French and Italians are backing his moves.

It's time to sell some migs payed by gulf states like you did with Egypt. Take your chance. Sell some outdated ones like those you gave to Serbia.

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Admin Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:05 pm

Isos wrote:
It's time to sell some migs payed by gulf states like you did with Egypt. Take your chance. Sell some outdated ones like those you gave to Serbia.

They wouldn't be able to fly them much less maintain them.

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George1 Sat Apr 06, 2019 10:32 pm

Russian diplomat holds phone talks with Libyan National Army commander Haftar

The phone call was requested by the Libyan side

MOSCOW, April 6. /TASS/. Russian Special Presidential Representative for the Middle East and Africa Mikhail Bogdanov held phone talks with Commander of the Libyan National Army Khalifa Haftar on Friday, the Russian Foreign Ministry said on Saturday.

"Haftar shared information on the Libyan National Army’s operations in recent days, which were said to be pursuing a goal of boosting the fight against terrorist and extremist groups operating in different parts of the country, including in the capital of Tripoli, which pose a threat to stability of Libya’s society and hinder the implementation of agreements on the establishment of a sustainable intra-Libyan inclusive political process and a consensus dialogue, with the aim to set up unified efficient government bodies," the Russian Foreign Ministry said.

"The Russian side reaffirmed its principal position in support of political solutions to all disputable issues in Libyan society and mediatory steps taken by the United Nations and its Special Envoy for Libya Ghassan Salame. In addition, [they] underscored the need to consolidate efforts in the fight against terrorism and extremist ideology," the ministry added.

The phone call was requested by the Libyan side.

Libya has two supreme executive authorities, namely Tripoli’s world-recognized government of National Accord headed by Prime Minister Fayez al-Sarraj and the interim government headed by Prime Minister Abdullah al-Thani, which operates in the country’s east along with the elected parliament and is supported by the Libyan National Army.

On April 4, Haftar announced the launch of an offensive on Tripoli. On Saturday, the Libyan National Army was reported to have approached Tripoli at a distance of ten kilometers from the city center. Meanwhile, Fayez al-Sarraj ordered all military units subordinate to him to be on alert and to use force if necessary "to defend the civilian population and critical facilities.".

More:
http://tass.com/politics/1052457

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Post n°136

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Hannibal Barca Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:17 pm

Haftar is backed by the Russians and my taking is that he has the strongest hand. Tripoli will most probably fall.

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Post n°137

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Tsavo Lion Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:48 pm

Details: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2606899.html

https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2606482.html

The Med. Sea will soon cease to be "NATO lake" entirely.

Isos

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Post n°138

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Isos Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:43 pm

Vladimir79 wrote:

Isos wrote:
It's time to sell some migs payed by gulf states like you did with Egypt. Take your chance. Sell some outdated ones like those you gave to Serbia.

They wouldn't be able to fly them much less maintain them.

Who cares as long as they pay. You think all the countries buying f-35 will be able to maintain them.

And this guy seems to be the new Ghaddafi. In 3 years he will be as rich as its predecessor. Russia lost big cintracts for kilo dubs and other sukhoi to NATO agression of Lybia.

It's time to catch up. I doubt Haftar will make the same mistake by trusting europeans like Ghaddafi. He will need a big army. If you don't, chinese will with the jf-17.

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Admin Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:19 pm

Isos wrote:

Who cares as long as they pay. You think all the countries buying f-35 will be able to maintain them.

And this guy seems to be the new Ghaddafi. In 3 years he will be as rich as its predecessor. Russia lost big cintracts for kilo dubs and other sukhoi to NATO agression of Lybia.

It's time to catch up. I doubt Haftar will make the same mistake by trusting europeans like Ghaddafi. He will need a big army. If you don't, chinese will with the jf-17.

It was France that started the intervention and it is their goal to place pawns to make it their next client state. Just look at Egypt and soon to be Algeria. All of N. Africa will be French clients as the whole of the Sahel is already under their thumb.

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miketheterrible Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:24 pm

Algeria isn't as easy as you may think since Algeirs was not that long ago with a lot of people alive still from that era. France always had influence in Algeria but their military rules Algeria and they have a rather good policy in their defenses. Egypt is ruled by Saudi Arabia through Al Sisi rather than France.

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Admin Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:14 pm

miketheterrible wrote:Algeria isn't as easy as you may think since Algeirs was not that long ago with a lot of people alive still from that era. France always had influence in Algeria but their military rules Algeria and they have a rather good policy in their defenses. Egypt is ruled by Saudi Arabia through Al Sisi rather than France.

It has been 57 years since their independence. The only people old enough to remember were either children or on their death beds. This is the French next move to continue the Arab Spring, backed by their buddies in Egypt and the Gulf.

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miketheterrible Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:14 am

They tried already a few times with no success. Algeria is rather hard nut to crack due to military rule which is official now. Egypt is friendly to France but also very, very friendly to Russia.

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Post n°143

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Tsavo Lion Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:46 am

They tried already a few times with no success. Algeria is rather hard nut to crack due to military rule which is official now.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/04/algeria-190404134717274.html

Egypt is friendly to France but also very, very friendly to Russia.

It's also friendly to PRC, India & Pakistan:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Egypt_relations#Bilateral_trade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt%E2%80%93India_relations#Economic_relations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt%E2%80%93Pakistan_relations#Military_relations

With Italy joining the OBOR, China will benefit from pro-Russian regime in Libya.

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verkhoturye51 Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:48 am

LNA's Grad on Ural moving on Tripoli at 0:05

https://twitter.com/i/status/1114982919167148035

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Admin Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:30 pm

miketheterrible wrote:They tried already a few times with no success. Algeria is rather hard nut to crack due to military rule which is official now. Egypt is friendly to France but also very, very friendly to Russia.

Egypt isn't too happy with us right now as the MiG-29s we provided were shit. One of them even crashed on its induction flight. So now we have to provide Su-35s as compensation for the rest of the order otherwise they would have cancelled. Once France gets over their ITAR snag with the Scalp missile you will see Egypt buying more and more Rafale.

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miketheterrible Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:05 pm

I heard Egypt was fine with the MiG's. And I also heard they were very unhappy with the rafales due to lackluster performance and high price.

Hearing things are nothing to do with truth. Care to share where Su-35 are for MiG 29 replacements? Cause Egypt is paying for those Sukhois. Plus the Sukhois are a different class of fighters than MiG's, plus they need more than 18 as proposed of Su-35 to make up the total of MiG's they ordered. Plus two are also different prices altogether.

Would really like a source to the claim cause Egypt is still set to receive delivery of MiGs

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kvs Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:05 pm

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-08/pompeo-urges-libyas-haftar-halt-advance-capital-fears-bloodbath-loom

Pompeo trying to save the asses of his terrorist proxies. The US always calls for cease fires in the name of "humanitarianism"
when its proxies are losing. When they are winning and butchering thousands of civilians, well, then there is not a peep of
concern.

Please, Haftar, slaughter these US maggots without mercy. Pompous ass Pompeo needs to be taught respect for reality.
American leaders are psychopaths who think that their will creates reality.

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Tsavo Lion Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:26 pm

All US military personnel evacuated Libya, while the local leadership fled to Tunisia, so IMO there will be no massive air support against Haftar forces. Trump won't intervene there as he wants to leave Syria & Afghanistan.
Let France & UK reap what they sow!

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Admin Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:30 pm

Tsavo Lion wrote:All US military personnel evacuated Libya, while the local leadership fled to Tunisia, so IMO there will be no massive air support against Haftar forces. Trump won't intervene there as he wants to leave Syria & Afghanistan.
Let France & UK reap what they sow!

Of course there won't be any attack on Haftar, he is there to clear out the government that is full of Islamists. They had there chance to unify the tribes and they failed. The only things that unify an Islamic nation is a dictator that puts them under boot and heel. The greatest mistake of France was thinking that they could ever be a democracy.

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Isos Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:40 pm

Vladimir79 wrote:

Tsavo Lion wrote:All US military personnel evacuated Libya, while the local leadership fled to Tunisia, so IMO there will be no massive air support against Haftar forces. Trump won't intervene there as he wants to leave Syria & Afghanistan.
Let France & UK reap what they sow!

Of course there won't be any attack on Haftar, he is there to clear out the government that is full of Islamists. They had there chance to unify the tribes and they failed. The only things that unify an Islamic nation is a dictator that puts them under boot and heel. The greatest mistake of France was thinking that they could ever be a democracy.

Lol. Sarkozy destroyed Lybia because he made some dark business with Gadhaffi. He gives as much fuck about lybian democracy as Bush gave for Irak democracy. Sarkozy is more a mafia guy than a president. He only loves money.

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