Libyan Crisis

Vladimir79 wrote:The only things that unify an Islamic nation is a dictator that puts them under boot and heel.  The greatest mistake of France was thinking that they could ever be a democracy.

this is the tragic reality for these nations. And whenever a dictator was toppled he was replaced by another dictator/autocratic leader

Isos wrote:

Vladimir79 wrote:

Tsavo Lion wrote:All US military personnel evacuated Libya, while the local leadership fled to Tunisia, so IMO there will be no massive air support against Haftar forces. Trump won't intervene there as he wants to leave Syria & Afghanistan.
Let France & UK reap what they sow!

Of course there won't be any attack on Haftar, he is there to clear out the government that is full of Islamists.  They had there chance to unify the tribes and they failed.  The only things that unify an Islamic nation is a dictator that puts them under boot and heel.  The greatest mistake of France was thinking that they could ever be a democracy.

Lol. Sarkozy destroyed Lybia because he made some dark business with Gadhaffi. He gives as much fuck about lybian democracy as Bush gave for Irak democracy. Sarkozy is more a mafia guy than a president. He only loves money.

Sarkozy wasnt the only one however. Tony Blair and silvio berlusconi also had dealings with Qaddafi thats why they dint get a position against him in 2011. And if you remember Blair had publicly called him "my friend"
Sarkozy bombed Libya because he was embarrassed when Qaddafi revealed that he gave money for his presidential campaign

Sarkozy was the leader of the agression. The others had to follow since stupid media were reporting " the truth" to stupid western poeple that believes the same lies aagain and again.

Vladimir79 wrote:

Isos wrote:
Lol. Sarkozy destroyed Lybia because he made some dark business with Gadhaffi. He gives as much fuck about lybian democracy as Bush gave for Irak democracy. Sarkozy is more a mafia guy than a president. He only loves money.

It is actually in the national interests of France to have a stable N. Africa so all of those boat people will stop landing on their shores.  When the Colonel was ready to slaughter thousands of people of Benghazi it would have created so many boat people Sarkozy was like hell no, this guy has to go.  In so doing he managed to throw out all of the Chinese colonisation interests in the country and secure the contracts for Total's oil exploitation.  The goal was to get a government stable enough to buy their weapons but it still hasn't happened yet.  Haftar is that government.

So Haftar has the backing of France?

It is actually in the national interests of France to have a stable N. Africa so all of those boat people will stop landing on their shores.  When the Colonel was ready to slaughter thousands of people of Benghazi it would have created so many boat people Sarkozy was like hell no, this guy has to go.  In so doing he managed to throw out all of the Chinese colonisation interests in the country and secure the contracts for Total's oil exploitation.  The goal was to get a government stable enough to buy their weapons but it still hasn't happened yet.  Haftar is that government.

Sarkozy doesn't care about North africa. The colonel used that threat very often against europeans. The war only made it real. The guys from Benghazi and the black africans are free to go on boats since he is dead.

The war was not in european interest. EU is beeaking against refugees if you haven't noticed. Italy is goig crazy because of that war's consequencies. French are hated by italians because of that.

Russia with that war won Italy as a support. Better than wining lybia and its not so huge oil reserves which is still in chaos.

Chinese can just impose taxes on europeans to get back that money. They produce everything that we buy in the west. And they are slowly moving their real pawns which are not some cheap dictators that can change their mind if payed enough.

Le Pen and the far right are also now the first political party here as she was on top at the first round of elections. Next elections she will be even more because Macron is a british made banker who destroys poor poeple.

Vladimir79 wrote:

Tsavo Lion wrote:France may be just sitting on the fence; Haftar has the backing of Russia.

Russia definitely does NOT back Haftar.  He is a French and Arab pawn.  

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190406-russia-disowns-libyas-general-haftar/

They also welcomed him on Kuzntsov.


Maybe Russia will start an operation to protect the lybian gov against a crazy guy. So that they get a naval and air base and put a pawn themself. US also don't like him. Could be a race to who destroy him first.

https://sputniknews.com/world/201904091073945981-libya-france-antonio-tajani/

Some fresh news for Vladimir79. Just like I said EU is pissed off by Grance's actions in Lybia.

My conclusion is that France is backing Haftar for influence and economic interests and Russia just for defeating the islamists

US have no interest in Lybia, since always. They just hated Gaddafhi because he tried hated them and bought weapons from soviets.