Libyan Crisis

The military downed an islamist Mirage F-1 yesterday. Tail:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Aristide wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:LNA looking like they going to lose Tripoli international airport.

How much we bet that Haftar wins?

Depends on his own or with international aid? because at this point he ain't winning unless a major player starts helping him actively.

He already won. He won 90% of teh country. Has full support of France, Russia and Trump.

We want a military dictator in Libya and i´m qute sure we will get one.

Aristide wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Aristide wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:LNA looking like they going to lose Tripoli international airport.

How much we bet that Haftar wins?

Depends on his own or with international aid? because at this point he ain't winning unless a major player starts helping him actively.

He already won. He won 90% of teh country. Has full support of France, Russia and Trump.

We want a military dictator in Libya and i´m qute sure we will get one.

He only wins when his forces seize the capital, All those nations are just supporting him with words nothing more.

Words in politics are worthless.

But hey if you want to consider words meaningful Lazrov called for Haftar to seize his "advance" seven or so hours ago.

Both sides are composed of militias. There is no army and no one will control anything in Lybia for a long time.

Investing in this country right now is worthless. Even stupid.

Even if he got the capital, it will be as safe for him as Baghdad is for GIs.

He already won. He won 90% of teh country. Has full support of France, Russia and Trump.

We want a military dictator in Libya and i´m qute sure we will get one.

In the meantime, the military continues its operations to regain the rest of the country. Islamists have been successfully driven away from Ghaylan all the way to Aziziyah. M109 howitzers were extensively used in the operation.



Top brass in Tobruk plans the operations for the next month.

The Libyan National Army (LNA) has imposed control of the area of al-Sbeaa south of the Libyan capital, Tripoli, the army’s media office confirmed on May 2.

Al-Sbeaa is located on a key highway leading to the southern part of Tripoli. The area links the Libyan capital, which is controlled by forces loyal to the Government of National Accord (GNA), with the towns recently captured by the LNA in the southern part of the country.

Over the last few days, pro-GNA forces launched several counter attacks and even attempted to flank LNA forces south of Tripoli. However, these attempts failed and the LNA is apparently still advancing towards the capital.

The upcoming few days will likely witness more advance by the LNA, whose leadership is still determined to capture Tripoli as soon as possible. The GNA’s failed counter-attacks may have weakened the defensive positions around the capital.

MiamiMachineShop wrote:The Libyan National Army (LNA) has imposed control of the area of al-Sbeaa south of the Libyan capital, Tripoli, the army’s media office confirmed on May 2.

Al-Sbeaa is located on a key highway leading to the southern part of Tripoli. The area links the Libyan capital, which is controlled by forces loyal to the Government of National Accord (GNA), with the towns recently captured by the LNA in the southern part of the country.

Over the last few days, pro-GNA forces launched several counter attacks and even attempted to flank LNA forces south of Tripoli. However, these attempts failed and the LNA is apparently still advancing towards the capital.

The upcoming few days will likely witness more advance by the LNA, whose leadership is still determined to capture Tripoli as soon as possible. The GNA’s failed counter-attacks may have weakened the defensive positions around the capital.

They already lost that position.

Turkish armored vehicles Kirpi II in Libya

Erdogan began on a grand scale to fulfill the recent promise to render all possible support to the Government of National Accord (Unity) led by Faiz Sarraj against Field Marshal Haftar, the Libyan National Army. Let me remind you that in late April, in a conversation with Sarraj, Erdogan promised to stand firm on the side of the PNS and use all the opportunities of Turkey to say: "prevent a plot against the Libyan people."

Judging by the photos and videos that appeared today [May 18, 2019], as part of the fulfillment of these promises, a ship of the new BMC Turkish Kirpi II armored vehicles arrived at the Libyan Tripoli port in Turkey from Turkey. Thus, in Libya we now have Turkish armored vehicles that will fight against the armored vehicles Panthera T6, Panthera F9, etc. supplied by the United Arab Emirates for the troops of Haftar.







https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3646007.html

Haftar has backings from UAE,SA,US,France and Russia combined. I am really curious about each backing country's intention in doing that.

At the end of the day, Haftar will have to decide his final partner in building his own reign. He cant pursue this club dance with all backers forever.

GNA is not perfect option for a suitable government for Libya though, but at least they were the legitimate structure after Libyan conflict. Thats why they have a seat in UN.

Haftar is number one threat for Turkey in Libya as he accepts European demands on giving up EEZ borders that Turkey assumes mutual with Libya. Haftar literally betrays to his own country by doing so.

What Russians would benefit from him is another story yet to be seen and understood.

AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:Haftar has backings from UAE,SA,US,France and Russia combined. ..
Haftar is number one threat for Turkey in Libya as he accepts European demands on giving up EEZ borders that Turkey assumes mutual with Libya.

I'm not sure the US actively supports him- IMO they just don't support the GNA. EEZs of Libya & Turkey r too far apart- Italy's EEZ, the closest to Libya, is none of Turkey's business.

Libyan eastern most EEZ border does border Turkey's western most EEZ boundary. Greek claims nullify Turkish coastline effect but it is unfair. Thats why Libya is crucial for Turkish claims.

As for Italy they support GNA as well.

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/worldarmedforcesforum/conflicting-eez-views-of-greece-and-turkey-in-the--t211324-s40.html?sid=7154f9744068d5482b7111dc986da5fa

How would the EU redraw the Libyan EEZ & how will it affect Turkey?

https://mobile.twitter.com/towersight/status/1144478565812936704

Javlin missiles captured by GNA.

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#BREAKING Libyan commander Haftar orders forces to attack Turkish ships and interests in the country, according to spokesman

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#BREAKING Libyan commander Haftar orders forces to attack Turkish ships and interests in the country, according to spokesman

I wasn't keeping up, why Turkey?

PapaDragon wrote:

Isos wrote:
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#BREAKING Libyan commander Haftar orders forces to attack Turkish ships and interests in the country, according to spokesman

I wasn't keeping up, why Turkey?

The Turks support his rivals.

The LNA lost Gharyan two days ago, his offensive has failed and stalled out.

Has I said, unless he can win and fast he will get bogged down and fail.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

The Turks support his rivals.

The LNA lost Gharyan two days ago, his offensive has failed and stalled out.

Has I said, unless he can win and fast he will get bogged down and fail.

With two battalions defecting from the GNA it is less about controlling ground and more about loyalty.  Hafter has the oil which Total is paying royalties directly to him for his protection.  GNA has no funds.

Vladimir79 wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

The Turks support his rivals.

The LNA lost Gharyan two days ago, his offensive has failed and stalled out.

Has I said, unless he can win and fast he will get bogged down and fail.

With two battalions defecting from the GNA it is less about controlling ground and more about loyalty.  Hafter has the oil which Total is paying royalties directly to him for his protection.  GNA has no funds.

GNA is being funded by the ones who want them to remain in control of the Capital if that funding stops then sure the LNA will have no hard time with em.

Those were weak and undermanned divisions, I agree any defection hurts the GNA but it wasn't two full-strength battalions.

Vladimir79 wrote:
Russia definitely does NOT back Haftar.  He is a French and Arab pawn.  

FGM-148 Javelins that were captured from of Field Marshal Haftar's Libyan National Army (LNA), by the Government of the National Accord (PNS), belonged to French special forces and were in stock, as they were damaged and temporarily stored for subsequent destruction.
But this explanation then actually puts the situation in such a way that it turns out that French special forces are on the side of LNA. France’s support for Haftar is certainly not a secret, but Paris somehow tried not to advertise its direct participation in the Tripoli attack.



https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3701991.html

Chinese are probably trying to buy some of them to GNA and they will probably succeed. So IMO in two or 3 months there will be a chinese Javelin presented for export.

Isos wrote:Chinese are probably trying to buy some of them to GNA and they will probably succeed. So IMO in two or 3 months there will be a chinese Javelin presented for export.

The Javelin's been around for 2 decades, if they wanted a copy, they would have done it already.

Two Ukrainian Il-76TD transport aircraft destroyed in Libya

Reportedly, on the night of July 26, 2019 in Libya at the airfield of Al-Jufra, controlled by Libyan National Army (LNA), Field Marshal Khalifa Haftar, two IL-76TD transport aircraft were destroyed by an air strike of the forces of the Government of the National Accord (PNS) of Libya (Ukrainian registration numbers UR-CMC and UR-CRP), belonging to the Ukrainian airline LLC "Europe Air". At the same time, the commander of the crew of one of the planes, Vladimir Bukhalsky, died. The blow, according to a number of reports, was inflicted by Turkish unarmed aerial vehicles TB2 Bayraktar used by the PNS forces. Both Ukrainian aircraft were chartered by the United Arab Emirates and were used to deliver weapons from the Emirates to Field Marshal Haftar’s forces.




Sources from among the retirees of the 25th Transport Aviation Brigade residing in the city of Nikolaev, who wished to remain incognito, reported that the flights were also performed by military retirees, including the aircraft commander Il-76TD and UR-CMC board number, a citizen of Ukraine V. Bukhalsky AT. According to the source, the aircraft was attacked by a UAV, the commander tried to save ship's documents and died.

Killed one of the most experienced pilots of the 25th Guards Moscow Aviation Brigade of transport aviation, based in Melitopol (military unit A3840), - Vladimir Bukhalsky, who once served as deputy commander of the airborne brigade. He passed more than one hot spot, took part in many operations of the Northern Falcon. Had he ever been in Libya, where he died. In 2011, he was the commander of the crew of the plane that took Ukrainians from Libya with the start of riots. In August 2012, the crew under the command of Lieutenant Colonel Vladimir Bukhalsky flew to Damascus to evacuate Ukrainians from Syria.

He graduated from the Tambov Higher Aviation School in 1992. He served in Zaporozhye, where his parents still live. In 1998 transferred to Melitopol. Here he became commander of an airship, commander of a detachment, deputy commander of a squadron and deputy commander of the Melitopol air raid, Dmitry Mymrikov.

As noted on the site of the JSC "Ilyushin" the life of the vessel expires on August 31, 2019.


By board number on FlightRadar24, EPV-1506 flight was last recorded over the territory of Egypt, in the direction of Libya.



https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3720822.html

Isos wrote:Chinese are probably trying to buy some of them to GNA and they will probably succeed. So IMO in two or 3 months there will be a chinese Javelin presented for export.

Does China back GNA?

AlfaT8 wrote:

Isos wrote:Chinese are probably trying to buy some of them to GNA and they will probably succeed. So IMO in two or 3 months there will be a chinese Javelin presented for export.

The Javelin's been around for 2 decades, if they wanted a copy, they would have done it already.

HJ-12

The extermination of Ukrainian Il-76 in Libya continues

It is reported that the IL-76TD reg. UR-COZ number, which delivered the cargo of weapons from Ankara (Turkey) to air. Misrata (Libya) for a terrorist group close to the Government of the National Accord (GNA) a few hours ago [on the evening of August 5, 2019] was destroyed by the Libyan National Army Air Force (LNAF) a few minutes after landing.

BREAKING – The LNA says it has carried out five airstrikes against Misrata’s air college and destroyed one Ilyushin Il-76 cargo plane and ammunition depots. #Libya
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#Libya - It seems that Il-76TD 'UR-COZ' belonging to Ukranian Cargo Alfa Air & flying from Ankara was destroyed on Misrata runway by #UAE airstrike one minute after it landed (23:30). This aircraft was suspected to have already transported Turkish armed UAVs at #Mitiga on 6 July.

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3729877.html