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etaepsilonk wrote:sepheronx wrote:Well, Moscow is saying 5,000. Some idiot in RT is claiming 25,000. The numbers are just to far out there and makes this whole thing just a joke.
The estimates vary depending on whether or not journalists and policemen were also counted
And, according to nemtsov, up to 100 thousand may have taken part.
Dunno how that was counted, probably includes people who wanted to go, but were prevented by secret services.
sepheronx wrote:I would ask for them to point out whom are the Russian soldiers in Ukraine, provide the evidence as such, and then they can start talking.
Werewolf wrote:
You mean this Nemtsov who runs in and out of US embassy for instructions?
00:20 Boris Nemtsov.
sepheronx wrote:http://ria.ru/society/20140921/1025012853.html
So it was 5000 people, not 50,000? And it was semi highjacked by pro Ukrainians?
Go figure. What was the outcome in St.Petersburg then?
Strelkov on the famous "mysterious" forum commented on the Minsk memorandum 2.0
http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/2014/09/21/
Actually that about "the necessity of which the Bolsheviks have always spoken" has been accomplished [note from the translator: this Lenin quote became a famous Russian idiom] – the Ukies overcame their panic, regrouped, prepared for new battles, and now they clearly demonstrate that they would agree only to one possible development of these events: a complete capitulation of Russia in Novorussia. "Brilliant successes of peacemakers" of Surkov-Lavrov-Zurabov group once again lead the president to the very same choice that he faced a month ago: either a decisive war (now with even higher losses and costs) or a shameful capitulation (up next – Crimea and "Milošević scenario"). The military action was stopped precisely for achieving this goal. Only one question remains to be asked: for how much longer can Surkov obviously deceive Putin by presenting his "virtual successes" as real accomplishments? And for how long will the President be sure that Surkov and Co. remain under his control? In his day the deposed Napoleon said on St. Helena island (close to the source): "if I would hang Talleyrand and Fouché in proper time, then I would still rule over France!" And this was said by a great statesman who was also sure that he would outmaneuver the plotters in his circle..."
Who says that "everything is bad"? Everything will be bad only in if the President will make a suicidal step of accepting the terms of Party of Treason that are put under as "the only possible decision". And the latest steps and the rhetoric of various riffraff (starting from Zhirinovsky-the-buffoon) suggest that nobody is going to "dump" Novorossia. The only problem is that they are trying to conduct new politics using "old hands" – that is, through people who constitutionally can't stand it. Correspondingly, the results are good for nothing and instead of brilliant successes there are losses and ridiculous affectations around the various "open secrets" (this is when the whole world knows and one's own population doesn't know).
Demonstrations in Russia:
According to RT, 5'000 to 26'000 people have marched in the streets of Moscow demanding peace in the Ukraine. According to Vzgliad,20 people demonstrated in Petrozavodsk and Saratov, 50 in Perm, up to 100 in Ekaterinburg, 10 in Novosibirsk, 15 in Syktyvkar and a few people in Barnaul. What are important here are not the actual figures, but the order of magnitude. What we clearly see is that these demonstrations were tiny, at least by Russian standards and when RT's Anissa Naouai reports that there was a "very high turnout" she is plain wrong. Also, and this is no less important, let us be very careful about what these demonstrations were all about: for peace in the Ukraine and against war. With such a vague and yet doubleplusgoodmeaning slogan, even refugees from bombed out Donetsk could agree (maybe even especially them).
What we have here is a typical propaganda ploy: get people in the streets in support of peace, love and happiness all over the world, and then present that as an "opposition" protest against the government policies. But, come on, seriously, who wants war in the Ukraine? The Kremlin?
NationalRus wrote:just have read a awesome joke about ukraine
2 Jews from Ukraine meet in Warsaw:
"Hey Jakov, how are things in Ukraine?"
"They are at war with Russia!"
"Damn! and how is it going?"
"We lost nearly all our airforce, several thousends soldiers death more wounded, hundreeds of tanks and other heavy equipment destroyed or captured."
"And Russia???"
"Well... they didn't showed up"
Yuri Korolef and Katerina Seklanova’s aristocratic wedding took place in Elia, Mykonos. 200 rich and famous friends of the couple arrived on the island courtesy of the bride’s father, Russian banker Sergei Seklanov. Together with their friends, they enjoyed a glamorous night which will remain unforgettable. Two known bands from Russia and the rock star Chris Norman entertained the guests, who were dressed to the nines. The guests were treated to 150 kilos of fresh lobster, 1500 bottles of champagne, and 100 kilos of delicious cake. Another stand out was the bride’s bouquet which was made of golden leaves. The bride was showered with champagne by the groom, while cake was distributed across the 1000 square metre venue. It was the bride’s wish to have her wedding in Mykonos, which cost her father an estimated 2 million euros! The wedding was organized by Daktilidi family, whose hotel housed all of the wedding guests. Mykonos Live Tv has exclusive footage from the lavish wedding party
In February 2009 it became known that Vitino was acquired by structures of the trader "Rusneftehim", which co-owners are considered to be Maxim Pukhlikov and Sergei Sheklanov. According to BTA Bank "Rusneftehim" actually manages terminals in Vitino, Mr. Pukhlikov through a chain of offshore companies owns 49% of the company Lux Investment Ltd (owns Usarel) and other companies in the port Vitino, while Mukhtar Ablyazov owns 51%.
take care..medo wrote:http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201409221143-x5bf.htm
Ukrainian president Porosenko confirm, that 60 - 65% of Ukrainian army equipment is destroyed in Novorussian front. Practically Ukrainian army lost 2/3 of their equipment, so it would not last long to lost the last third of equipment. Novorussian army is becoming equal.
Novorussian army is growing and could now form 3 divisions. With such tempo in two months they will have more than 40.000 or 4 full divisions, what will be enough to liberate DNR and LNR and to defend them.
Vann7 wrote:@KVS
Go post there this video..
they lost tanks in the hundreds.
arpakola wrote:medo wrote:http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201409221143-x5bf.htm
Ukrainian president Porosenko confirm, that 60 - 65% of Ukrainian army equipment is destroyed in Novorussian front. Practically Ukrainian army lost 2/3 of their equipment, so it would not last long to lost the last third of equipment. Novorussian army is becoming equal.
Novorussian army is growing and could now form 3 divisions. With such tempo in two months they will have more than 40.000 or 4 full divisions, what will be enough to liberate DNR and LNR and to defend them.
take care..
this is a good reason for him, an excuse, to demand new NATO heavy weapons..
1. As we wrote before, the trajectory of the line that leads to a certain semblance of "Large Transnistria" is explained by the desire of the Russian Federation to avoid the direct confrontation with the West. And this is exactly the main spring of the negotiating process. It is quite obvious that this "new Transnistria" won't remain in Ukraine.
2. The future of Novorossia is no more than a bargaining chip here: if they'll agree in one way, then there will be one future, if they'll agree in a different way – another future. If they won't agree altogether – yet another future.
Not much actually depends here on the political leadership of Novorossia, they are in a subordinate position with respect to the current political line of Moscow and they are fully dependent on shipments of the humanitarian aid. However, there is a factor of "armed people", who have a very negative view of what is happening, but for now their discontent is purely verbal.
3. Regarding the pharisaic cry of "Winter will come, it will be bad" – providing the population in the rear strip is possible even during the ongoing war, thankfully in the DPR and the LPR there are more than enough areas that are completely cleaned from the junta military. The necessity of shipping food and fuel to Krasnodon or Yenakiyevo is not changed in any way by whether there is a war going on somewhere in the Dnieper area. Building life there and driving the junta further back are not mutually exclusive concepts. So, when I hear the argument of "winter is coming", then I involuntarily doubt the psychiatric well-being of such a person (well, except for the paid characters, who have to translate this BS in the media). If there was a strong desire to save the lives of people (as they tell us), then there were possibilities for this associated with a military intervention in the spring and also along with more expeditious work of the "military surplus store" in the summer. Otherwise, it ends up like this: first they melancholically observed as thousands of people perished and the infrastructure of the life of a couple of millions was destroyed and then they suddenly yelled "winter is coming, time to wrap it up". Formally this seems to be right, but essentially this is a disgusting joke.
4. The fact that the junta military is retreating from encirclements clearly suggests that there are certain backstage agreements on the separation of territory that is controlled by Novorossia and the junta. Of course the field commanders are strictly against the fact that they are left with a bombarded and defective stump of two regions instead of the desired Novorossia. From this originate the demands in the spirit of "at least drive the junta out of the territory of Donetsk and Lugansk regions". Meanwhile, the junta is forced to retreat from encirclements in which its military were sitting. At the same time it continues to destroy Donbass infrastructure. Overall, by the last decade of September the beneficial possibility of routing major junta groups that sat in cauldrons and suspicious protrusions was lost. It was exchanged for a "piece of paper that means nothing".
5. The vindicators of the agreement in the beginning told us that this agreement is a worthless piece of paper, then they told us that Kuchma is a nobody, then that nobody among those who had to sign it actually signed it, and those who signed it had a wrong status. Actually, we see a step-by-step plan on creating of a stump of Novorossia with a certain configuration, which is being implemented to the extent of the abilities of its masters. The role of Kuchma is the role of damper-gasket, in order to soften the effect of the ongoing cluster---- so that people wouldn't go nuts when Yatsenyuk, Turchinov, or Poroshenko would sit opposite of Zurabov.
Those who tried to present this piece of paper as something inessential were at best engaged in self-deception. At worst – they simply service a certain line directed at creating a certain informational camouflage around this piece of paper.
6. However, the hopes of being able to buy a respite in escalation of tensions with the West and slow down the roll of sanctions at the price of such an exchange of Novorossia appear delusive even now. The West already effectively saved the junta from a direct military defeat in Donbass. Now, by occupying the dominating positions, it is pushing its variant of solving the issue. Meanwhile, it is not forgetting about Crimea, which is now a convenient hook for introducing absolutely arbitrary sanction packages. Together with a fortifying position in Donbass, this gives the USA a convenient and quite cheap set of instruments for pressuring Russia, which includes the use of the fascist junta that preserved its power in Kiev. Those who counted on the war leading to the next Nuremberg can consider themselves free of their expectations, at least for now. If one of the main sponsors of mass murder is now considered to be a respectable politician "who needs to be saved" in Moscow, then the majority of main sponsors and executors of the bloodbath will definitely avoid the responsibility. However, the characters like Kolomoisky, Korban, Filatov, Lyashko, Semenchenko, Yarosh, and a number of other people may come to harm in the end, including physical harm. Some little guys will of course be designated one way or another. The fascist discontent with one or another aspect of the collusion is inessential – the American puppets have no vote in the questions of global exchanges. In some other conditions they could lose a number of other regions and if Washington would pull certain threads, then no matter how much Lyashko would write in Facebook, the masses would obediently accept such a decision too.
7. Whether this particular collusion will be pushed to the end is not yet a given. In Novorossia itself and in Russia there is a serious opposition to this course, which is why an informational campaign under the banner of "such good and beautiful is this piece of paper that means absolutely nothing" was required. The stupidity or the necessity to serve the line of protecting the commercial interests of the Russian oligarchy, which is under threat, is a quite nutritional soil for translating such view. However, because such a course looks so unpresentable, it is quite hard to implement it using orders – they are afraid of overturning the thread. The frog needs to be boiled slowly, so that people wouldn't be able to understand how they ended up in a new depressive Transnistria instead of Novorossia. It only remains to wait for the collective decision of the military.
TheGeorgian wrote:Vann7 wrote:@KVS
Go post there this video..
they lost tanks in the hundreds.
I highly doubt that. It's very likely the US lost around 40-100 tanks ( like out of commission losses ) in those 10-11 years but not "by the hundreds".
To topic. Putin can't pull the handbreak anymore. He started it and now there is no retreat. US on the other hand is playing the diplomacy card. Refusing to support and arm Ukraine much to Poroshenkos worries. Fighting ISIS in Iraq, supporting the kurds .... fighting Ebola outbreak in Africa togheter with NATO / UN etc. Every single event and decision is all routine play. I wonder in what way Putin's gonna try to meet all the expectations and hopes of his followers.
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