Serbian Defence Industry and Arms Exports

galicije83 wrote:probably....i made one mistake it isnt M06 its M16 Milos...

any truth in the rumours Pakistan is interested in buying 400 Nora B-52s 100 built in Serbia and 300 in Pakistan also heard they are interested in the new grads with 280KM range

The Sumadija, a surface-to-surface missile capable of hitting targets up to 300 kilometers away, designed and built in Serbia, grabbed much attention during the Abu Dhabi show.

“This is exactly what Serbia needed to prevent its regional neighbor’s possible participation in the 1999 aggression against us. The Sumadija can also hit big cities in neighboring countries.

“Hopefully no such conflict will ever happen, but if it does and someone is crazy enough to make his airspace available to any third country willing to attack Serbia [like Bulgaria did in 1999], we now have a missile to reach all the strategic cities in the region,” Lazanski warned.

He added that the Sumadija is entirely an indigenous project by the state-owned company Yugoimport-SDPR and the private firm Edepro.

The missile has a minimum range of 70 kilometers and a maximum range of 300 kilometers. It can operate at air temperatures ranging from 30 degrees below zero, up to 50 degrees above zero. The Sumadija carries a fragmentation, or thermobaric warhead, and takes 12 minutes to launch.

https://sputniknews.com/military/201703041051263518-serbia-missile-nato/

Godric wrote:

galicije83 wrote:probably....i made one mistake it isnt M06 its M16 Milos...

any truth in the rumours Pakistan is interested in buying 400 Nora B-52s 100 built in Serbia and 300 in Pakistan also heard they are interested in the new grads with 280KM range

There are always rumors of such type. Last year on another expo they claimed India is interested in 450 Noras, so... take it with grain of salt. Pakistan was also "interested" in buying few hundred Lazar 2s... and we all know how that turned up to be.

New Grad rocket is 50km range, not 280km. Rocket you are refering to with 280km range is atm called "Šumadija" and its so called "artillery rocket". Somewhat like Luna-M was back in time lets say.

George1 wrote:

The Sumadija, a surface-to-surface missile capable of hitting targets up to 300 kilometers away, designed and built in Serbia, grabbed much attention during the Abu Dhabi show.

“This is exactly what Serbia needed to prevent its regional neighbor’s possible participation in the 1999 aggression against us. The Sumadija can also hit big cities in neighboring countries.

“Hopefully no such conflict will ever happen, but if it does and someone is crazy enough to make his airspace available to any third country willing to attack Serbia [like Bulgaria did in 1999], we now have a missile to reach all the strategic cities in the region,” Lazanski warned.

He added that the Sumadija is entirely an indigenous project by the state-owned company Yugoimport-SDPR and the private firm Edepro.

The missile has a minimum range of 70 kilometers and a maximum range of 300 kilometers. It can operate at air temperatures ranging from 30 degrees below zero, up to 50 degrees above zero. The Sumadija carries a fragmentation, or thermobaric warhead, and takes 12 minutes to launch.

https://sputniknews.com/military/201703041051263518-serbia-missile-nato/

That video is so full of shit tho "New Serbian guided balistic missile", God Good so many mistakes in so many words.

Militarov wrote:
That video is so full of shit tho "New Serbian guided balistic missile", God Good so many mistakes in so many words.

even if it comes from a russian page

George1 wrote:

Militarov wrote:
That video is so full of shit tho "New Serbian guided balistic missile", God Good so many mistakes in so many words.

even if it comes from a russian page

Well video was obviously made by Serbian, but its horrid. Full of mistakes and well... it isnt very good as video either

Showing new Serbian technology

Demonstration of the new models of armored vehicles produced by the Yugoimport SDPR facilities to the Prime Minister of Serbia Alexander Vucic; March 2017

Supplement bmpd. The show was made during a visit to A. Vucic on March 12, 2017 of the new enterprise Borbeni Slozheni Sistemi (FSU) of the Serbian military-industrial association "Јgoimport - SDPR" in Velika Plana. At the show, prototypes of a new LAZAR 3 armored personnel carrier with a wheel formula of 8x8 and a new armored vehicle BOV M16 Miloš class MRAP with a 4x4 wheel arrangement and a 155 mm / 52 mm Nora B-52K1 self-propelled howitzer on a modified wheeled chassis " KAMAZ-63501 "with the formula 8х8.

During the visit, A.Vučić reported that 12 Serbian armored personnel carriers LAZAR and 12 self-propelled howitzers Nora B-52 will be delivered to the Serbian army, and six LAZAR 3 armored personnel carriers to the Serbian gendarmerie 3. Six armored vehicles BOV M16 Miloš will be delivered to the counterterrorism group CAJ of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Serbia.











http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2490941.html

Militarov Serbian Arms Industry is growing!!

George1 wrote:

Militarov Serbian Arms Industry is growing!!

Well i would rather call it "recovering".

They are mentioning assembly line and project for independent suspension which would in future be used by Lazar, Milosh and Nora. Line is allegedly to be assembled in FAP, however i am not sure if our engineers can pull it out without major foreign help.

Reason why they are trying to do it, is because so many..well.. majority of components we use in those vehicles are from import.

Ah yea, they also managed to make first 105mm howtizer bore on new cannon drilling machine. Next year they will try 120mm tank gun.

Militarov wrote:

George1 wrote:

Militarov Serbian Arms Industry is growing!!

Well i would rather call it "recovering".

They are mentioning assembly line and project for independent suspension which would in future be used by Lazar, Milosh and Nora. Line is allegedly to be assembled in FAP, however i am not sure if our engineers can pull it out without major foreign help.

Reason why they are trying to do it, is because so many..well.. majority of components we use in those vehicles are from import.

Ah yea, they also managed to make first 105mm howtizer bore on new cannon drilling machine. Next year they will try 120mm tank gun.

Then they have to found client for exporting them. There are more and more countries prducing these type of vehicle, even the traditional buyers can now produce their own armored 4x4, howitzer and MRLS. But for Serbia's economy, they don't need to sell lot of them however.

Serbian missile system ALAS in action

On May 3, 2017, a rehearsal of the demonstration of arms and equipment of the Serbian Armed Forces and the Serbian industry "Steel 2017" was held at the Serbian military training ground of Nikinki near Belgrade, which is to be held there in honor of the Victory Day on May 9.

During the rehearsal, for the first time, rocket firings of the Serbian tactical missile system ALAS with a fiber-optic guidance system, developed for a long time in Serbia, were shown for the first time, but now it seems that with the help of the UAE financing the system completed and fully prepared for production in the interests Emirati customer. The self-propelled six-shot launcher of the ALAS complex demonstrated in Nikinki is made on the chassis of the Nimr (6x6) car produced by the Tirazun emirate holding company. The launcher in camping position is disguised as a tent truck.



Recall that in February 2013 at the IDEX-2013 exhibition in Abu Dhabi, an agreement was signed between the state-owned company of the UAE Emirates Advanced Research and Technology Holding (EARTH) and the Serbian state military industrial association "Jugoimport-SDPR" on joint development and production of the Serbian Perspective long-range anti-tank (actually multi-purpose tactical) ALAS missile system with fiber-optic guidance. The total cost of Emirati investments in the project is $ 220 million. The agreement was signed to develop a Memorandum of Understanding between the UAE and Serbia on joint defense developments (including the ALAS complex) concluded in October 2012.

The ALAS (Advanced Light Attack System) complex has been created in Serbia since the 1990s with the participation of the private Serbian company EDePro (Engine Development and Production), created on the basis of the Laboratory of Jet Propulsion of Belgrade University and leading work in the field of jet weapons and rocket engines. The project was financed by the Jugoimport-SDPR, but before the conclusion of the agreement with the UAE, the lack of funds prevented the development of ALAS before the stage of full-scale mining.

In its present form, the ALAS missile has a mass of 50 kg, the mass of the warhead (can be made of different types) 10 kg, the length of the body is 2040 mm, the caliber is 175 mm and the swinging cross-spiral wing is 1450 mm wide. The missile has a command guidance system, including a television-thermal imaging head with image transmission and control commands via a fiber-optic cable. The missile is equipped with an EDePro miniature turbojet engine TMM-404 Mongoose thrust of about 40 kg (in combination with two solid-propellant launch accelerators) and has a range of up to 25 km at a cruising speed of 180 m / sec, while claiming the possibility of increasing the range of firing to 60 km .

At the last IDEX-2017 exhibition in Abu Dhabi in February 2017, the representatives of Jugoimport-SDPR reported that the ALAS complex had successfully passed a test cycle with an inert warhead and that in 2017 it was planned to test the system with real warheads, after which ALAS will be ready for serial production.



http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2591211.html

New Serbian 155-mm self-propelled howitzer Aleksandar

At the 8th Defense Exhibition "Partner 2017" held in Belgrade (Serbia) from 27 to 30 June 2017, the Serbian military-industrial association "Јgoimport - SDPR" demonstrated a new 155-mm / 52 automated Aleksandar self-propelled howitzer with 8×8 wheeled chassis .






http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2699475.html

Put this bad boy on tracked vehicle and you got yourself a Scorpion tank from Halo.

George1 wrote:New Serbian 155-mm self-propelled howitzer Aleksandar

At the 8th Defense Exhibition "Partner 2017" held in Belgrade (Serbia) from 27 to 30 June 2017, the Serbian military-industrial association "Јgoimport - SDPR" demonstrated a new 155-mm / 52 automated Aleksandar self-propelled howitzer with 8×8 wheeled chassis .





http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2699475.html

Allegedly this variant came to be fron tries of SDPR to comply with Indian howtizer tender and requirements set by Serbian Army. Autloader has 12 ready to fire shells, with maximum fire rate of 6rpm.

Militarov wrote:.......................
Allegedly this variant came to be fron tries of SDPR to comply with Indian howtizer tender and requirements set by Serbian Army. Autloader has 12 ready to fire shells, with maximum fire rate of 6rpm.

Speaking of India there is also possibility of SDPR opening ammo factory there.

India makes trucks right? Can we license one of their models for all this stuff?

I don't know what truck is in the photo, can anyone shed some light? Doesn't look new or locally produced at all. Something bigger would be more than welcome...


ALSO:

Sumadija missile system.  285km range and 200kg warhead:


(Can't find bigger photo but there is lots of videos on YouTube, just search ''Partner 2017'')

PapaDragon wrote:

Militarov wrote:.......................
Allegedly this variant came to be fron tries of SDPR to comply with Indian howtizer tender and requirements set by Serbian Army. Autloader has 12 ready to fire shells, with maximum fire rate of 6rpm.

Speaking of India there is also possibility of SDPR opening ammo factory there.

India makes trucks right? Can we license one of their models for all this stuff?  

I don't know what truck is in the photo, can anyone shed some light? Doesn't look new or locally produced at all. Something bigger would be more than welcome...


ALSO:

Sumadija missile system.  285km range and 200kg warhead:


(Can't find bigger photo but there is lots of videos on YouTube, just search ''Partner 2017'')

For NORA, Alexander and current mockup launchers of Sumadija base chasis is Kamaz-63501 to my knowledge just with modifications applied. Its maximum payload is about 36t and Nora in armored variant is 34t, and this "Alexander" variant is about 30t. So its adequate.

Yes, India does produce trucks, tho mostly lighter variants.

They read my mind

"Serbia wants to construct a plant manufacturing Russia’s KAMAZ trucks on its territory and waits for the Russian decision on the issue..."

https://sputniknews.com/europe/201707021055165075-vucic-kamaz-serbia-russia/

PapaDragon wrote:
They read my mind  

"Serbia wants to construct a plant manufacturing Russia’s KAMAZ trucks on its territory and waits for the Russian decision on the issue..."

https://sputniknews.com/europe/201707021055165075-vucic-kamaz-serbia-russia/

Maybe some small assembly hall, we dont have yearly requirements for more than 20-30 such trucks together with export.

Militarov wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
They read my mind  

"Serbia wants to construct a plant manufacturing Russia’s KAMAZ trucks on its territory and waits for the Russian decision on the issue..."

https://sputniknews.com/europe/201707021055165075-vucic-kamaz-serbia-russia/

Maybe some small assembly hall, we dont have yearly requirements for more than 20-30 such trucks together with export.

Agreed.

It's not just about trucks, it's also about suspension system that comes along with them. It's needed for MRAPs and IFVs. Says as much in the article.

Maybe even engines, who knows...

Probably the only way Russia could sell such things within NATO and EU is by having them made within the EU...

Zastava shown a new rifle called MAR:





http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/07/10/new-rifle-serbian-zastava-arms-called-mar-modular-automatict-rifle/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

Cool looking rifle! Any Serbs here know more about this?

All I can found out is that the rifle is still in developing stage, it is modular rifle, two calibers 7,62x39 mm and 6,5x39mm. Apparently, 6,5mm caliber is the future of Serbian army.

The problem with inventing and building all this new equipment is that Serbia doesn't have the money to buy exactly like Belarus. Some stuff is actually quite good but shame most of it will never be put into decent numbers

Another thing this new sumadija missile to me it looks like a longer range FROG-7 I just hope in practice it's more accurate.

Also why did Serbia T-72 ? Wouldn't it be better to just to upgrade M-84 to M-84AS/AS1 ?
Or is down to lack of money and getting a loan from Russia on the T-72

littlerabbit wrote:All I can found out is that the rifle is still in developing stage, it is modular rifle, two calibers 7,62x39 mm and 6,5x39mm. Apparently, 6,5mm caliber is the future of Serbian army.  

Our guys said long ago: ''Nothing better than AK system exists so we will be using that one until something better is invented''

Nothing better has been invented yet.

As for ammo, not really an issue. We moved from 7,62 to 5,56 NATO without hassle largely due to fact that we produce insane amounts of ammo for a country of our size so switching to on 6,5mm down the road should not be a problem either.  

And we are still manufacturing and sitting on huge amounts of local AK-47s (M70) and ammo just in case (you never throw that stuff away)

d_taddei2 wrote:The problem with inventing and building all this new equipment is that Serbia doesn't have the money to buy exactly like Belarus. Some stuff is actually quite good but shame most of it will never be put into decent numbers

Correct and it's a constant pain in the ass but on the upside we don't need to make too much of it anyway. Our military is not exactly Chinese People's Liberation Army when it comes to size.

d_taddei2 wrote:Another thing this new sumadija missile to me it looks like a longer range FROG-7 I just hope in practice it's more accurate.
Also why did Serbia T-72 ? Wouldn't it be better to just to upgrade M-84 to M-84AS/AS1  ?
Or is down to lack of money and getting a loan from Russia on the T-72

M-84 and T-72 are same thing basically.

Almost all Serbian military equipment has ''M'' label, from gas masks to tanks.... don't ask why because I don't have a clue...

I know that M-84 and T-72 are similar I just wondering why purchase from Russia surely easier to upgrade what you have using companies in your own country.

Of course Serbia doesn't need huge numbers have they money to purchase any of this equipment at least to the levels of replacing old equipment. I also wonder how surrounding countries would feel is Serbia purchased around 12 sumadija? Would they feel threatened?