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This is some news......sounds like Iran Russia drawing closer:

https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201804261063913414-iran-enlighs-language-monopoly/

And lo and behold Iran signed a contract today for 40 Sukhoi Super Jets SSJ-100's.

http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/04/25/559703/Iran-seals-deals-to-buy-40-Sukhoi-SuperJets-

@GarryB

Agree that Iran should not openly withdraw from NPT , but I should have added that , it could do so at a time when nuclear arsenal is complete , but yet not revealed . As a warning . With the aim of forcing the other side to back down . A little better than a nuke test . But the reason they are considering it now , could indicate they are already there .

As far as equipping Iran with Russian jet fighters . I agree . Since we may not go to nuclear exchange immediately . And we may have to effectively defend for a few months . I have been also saying Iran should buy Russian passenger planes and not rely on yank and Co . I am glad they are doing this . But Russia must provide repair and servicing of planes , since Iranian companies wanting to make quick profit , may not spend as much on this . And blame " Russian planes " , for any accident caused by own greed .

The amount of money Iran spends on Russian fighter jets , should not be so high as to detract Iran from building nuclear arsenal . Because like Russia , any war with yank or usraeli will quickly turn nuclear . Or the threat of it .Just imagine Iran sinking an aircraft carrier . That it can do . With 5000 yank sailor dead . What is yank response ? Or yank destroy a dam in Iran or hit nuclear power with radiation . What is Iranian response ? So conventional arms will play a role . But not as a big a role as a conflict with say Saudi . Here nukes not needed . But with Pakistan for example , yes nukes needed .

And lo and behold Iran signed a contract today for 40 Sukhoi Super Jets SSJ-100's.

This is really good, because it will force the need for a model of aircraft without US components... and that means Russian or even Iranian companies can vie to produce those components.

Once they start producing these bits they can improve them to the point where they are as good at least as the American parts and then perhaps start replacing those parts in more and more aircraft (ie the same aircraft type and other aircraft types too).

They are selling mostly to countries who want a good plane... first and foremost it has to do the job well to be chosen over a Boeing or Airbus, but it will also be sold to countries having problems with the US or Europe because they don't have other choices... and for them less US components makes sense as well...

Agree that Iran should not openly withdraw from NPT , but I should have added that , it could do so at a time when nuclear arsenal is complete , but yet not revealed . As a warning . With the aim of forcing the other side to back down . A little better than a nuke test . But the reason they are considering it now , could indicate they are already there .

Lets be honest and face facts... Israel and the US and to a lessor extent the EU will jump up and down and claim Iran is building nuclear weapons if they scrap this new agreement... whether they have any evidence or not... we have seen no evidence is needed... just some defector or white helmet video on youtube and they are guilty...

In such an environment it will be hard to create facilities to build nuclear weapons...

The NPT treaty guarantees Iran access to commercial nuclear technology to generate electrical power but this access has been criticised and blocked by the west every chance it got.

Only Iran has needed this extra agreement to ease sanctions... sanctions that should never have been imposed in the first place...

Israel is immune to this... they never signed the NPT but for some reason they don't have to... different rules apply it seems.

But Russia must provide repair and servicing of planes , since Iranian companies wanting to make quick profit , may not spend as much on this . And blame " Russian planes " , for any accident caused by own greed .

There was an agreement between Iran, the Ukraine and Russia to make An-140 aircraft wasn't there?

Iran would make their own planes, Russia would make its own planes and ukraine would make planes too...

Well that must have gone tits up, so why not pick a similar Russian transport and build them in Iran in the factor that made the Ukie planes?

It could also be redesigned to service other Russian aircraft of all types... hell, they could make basic simple Su-30s. That would be very cheap as they would pretty much actually be Su-27UBs but made with modern practises... as commerce builds up and Iran becomes more wealthy they could upgrade components and turn these aircraft from Su-27UBs to two seat Su-35s if they want to... depending on how much they want to spend.

Making them themselves no one will be able to cut off supply or deny them spare parts.

They could integrate RVV-BDs into the design and replace their F-14s with these aircraft.

Just looking at the new products Iran makes... they have talent... really only limited by the fact that they are basing their new stuff on 1970s US stuff that they already operate ...give them new designs and they could be world class...

The amount of money Iran spends on Russian fighter jets , should not be so high as to detract Iran from building nuclear arsenal . Because like Russia , any war with yank or usraeli will quickly turn nuclear . Or the threat of it .Just imagine Iran sinking an aircraft carrier . That it can do . With 5000 yank sailor dead . What is yank response ? Or yank destroy a dam in Iran or hit nuclear power with radiation . What is Iranian response ? So conventional arms will play a role . But not as a big a role as a conflict with say Saudi . Here nukes not needed . But with Pakistan for example , yes nukes needed .

The value of an Iranian nuke is not getting to use it... it is making the west and Israel back off because they no longer win if it comes down to an escalation spiral.

In Syria or Iraq the US can pretty much do what it likes including invading and sending in troops... even illegally under international law, because they are sure as long as they don't go too far no consequences for them or their forces in the region.

Obviously they wont attack Russian forces or Russian bases because they know the Russians can attack their forces in the region too so that is the limit...

What Iran needs is not some super powerful airforce that will stop anything and everything... a couple of A-50s and a couple of dozen Su-30s on their own could dramatically blunt a cruise missile attack with 100 missiles... and that is not even considering SAMs located near potential targets... specifically TOR and Panstir systems.

Some blimp radars... which would also improve radio communications in mountainous regions together with ground based radar and SAMs... integrated into a unified air defence system to coordinate all the assets on land and in the air means the best protection for Iran... and at some stage a satellite to help monitor the airspace in the region... and then you could build a nuclear weapon building facility with its rooftops decorated with target symbols all you want and there is little the US could do.

The key is some specific components and full integration and cooperation.

Building basic Flankers under licence relatively cheaply offers a move forward in aircraft design that should be attainable and valuable for Iran.. they don't need 5th gen stealthy planes... they would be too expensive for their needs and they would likely not need such aircraft.

With A-50UKs or even A-100Ks (why not spend a little more when you are only going to be buying three or four and get the extra performance) your planes don't need to be dogfighters that Israeli fighters can test to the limits... load them up with RVV-BD and attack them from 200km away... and R-77s and fight them from 100km away... and you could use the fact that the Israeli F-35s wont be carrying many missiles on their long range strikes against Iran... an Su-30 could carry a couple of RVV-BDs and a half dozen R-77s and the rest could be R-74s... use the RVV-BDs at max range against any support aircraft the Israeli aircraft might have... tankers and AWACS and jammer aircraft and the R-77s to shoot down any AMRAAMs the F-35s fire... and when you get really close the R-74s against gun armed F-35s should be pretty one sided no matter what the talent of the F-35 pilots...

Protect your A-100s and you should be able to shoot down the other threats using data from the A-100... and you can probably incorporate electronic upgrades for the S-300s and use the A-100s to terminally guide your missiles against aircraft and cruise missiles...

There was a time when no air defence system would have a chance against a cruise missile attack, but these days with the right components and money spent in specific areas on the right equipment you could get a rather good defence without spending a fortune...

The AWACS is worth spending on... but with fighters an Su-30 with decent weapons has range and endurance and plenty of weapon pylons. Its lack of a super radar is not important because the A-100 and blimp radars will be doing the dog work there... blimp radars that can each operate for 3 months at a time, plus A-100 aircraft that could cover much of Iranian airspace each... having 3-4 of them should allow round the clock coverage when needed... and with inflight refuelling and extra crews coverage could be even better. A few TOR and Pantsir batteries beneath each radar blimp and S-300s and TOR and Pantsir near potential targets like Comms centres, HQs, and airfields of course.., and nuclear power stations and "research facilities".

Iran makes its own MANPADs... and the latest models with proximity fuses are perfectly suited to shooting down low flying cruise missiles... as long as they get warning in time... provided by blimps and aircraft.

Moving blimps around regularly would make planning an attack a nightmare, which would make the blimps a priority target... being aware of that, this means you get warning of an attack if something happens to a few blimps...

Hell you could use information from the radar blimps to better map the weather in the mountains, which would be valuable anyway.

I agree with what you said about building conventional forces with Russian help . And I agree with you that a withdrawal from nuclear agreement will make things difficult for Iran . So it should not be done impetously . I think that any withdrawal from agreement or NPT , should happen only when Iran already possess a nuclear detterent , and when things are getting quite bad . As I said it is a little better than conducting a nuclear test .

My feeling about this whole thing , is that the yanks are not happy with their position in Iran and middle East . And neither are usraeli or Saudi. But Europeans are happy . So I think there is real disagreement between the two . And I feel that they have decided to allow the yanks and co, to go ahead with withdrawing from deal . And they will initially come out in support . Saying things like , Iran should scrap missiles or limit or withdraw from Syria etc . I feel the Europeans have given the yanks a time limit of two months . During this time , we may expect , as well as yanks withdrawing from deal , some additional measures . These could be diplomatic . Like closing Iranian interest diplomatic section in US , or freezing some assets , or even some limited military strike . Say against a " missile site " .

I feel during this time , the Europeans will remain silent . TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS . If Iranian gave in and negotiated , then all is well . But if they stood firm , then I think the Europeans will step in and play the good cop . They will then try to buildup their damaged relations with Iran . And regain their more comfortable position in Iranian markets . The yanks at this stage will have lost . Probably for another fifty years , any chance of entering Iranian markets . But they would have caused some material damage to Iran too . Possibly damaging infrastructure .

I feel the period of grace for the yanks is short . Say a couple of months . During this period , I think Iran should not show any weakness . Or withdraw from agreement . But of course defend itself . Neither should it alienate Europe . Even if they give verbal approval to yanks . What happens if sanctions extend beyond a couple of months . And Iran can not say export oil . Then my friend , they will decide to react . An unpleasant reaction .

Guys extreme silence on Russia/ Iran weapons deals........the Su-30SM deal looks dead in the water! No news, NOTHING!

They are probably in limbo because if the US fails to ratify the agreement then there are no Russian sanctions against Iran... they could donate some MiG-31s and sell some Su-35s if that agreement is ripped up...

Israel doesn't want war with Iran, so Bibi says but it would love the US to have one. At least he is consistent in his lies, sorry claims.

The terrorist nation with nuclear weapons is accusing Iran of supporting terrorism and wanting to develop nuclear weapons... even though Iran has abided by the rules and signed the NPT treaty, and Israel never did... I can't remember the last time Iran invaded anyone, but I don't have enough fingers to count all the Israeli attacks of self defence in the last decade let alone the entire period of its existence...

1 week to go folks. The end of the JCPOA is upon us. I'd be surprised if Putin sells Iran those long requested Su-30SM's. Already been three years now since the JCPOA was signed, and if I hear Lavrov say one more fukking time......'our western partners wishes might be hurt if we transfer anything to Iran'.......I'd lose all hope in this Russia/ Iran alliance.

Lavrov's fukking grovelling to the Zio's is at its limit. He ought to be ashamed of himself!

Israel might be tempted to strike immediately if it hears Iran is going to get new weapons... if they think Iran is getting new Flankers and S-300 systems then they might try to strike Iran before they arrive/become operational.

Even just a pin prick attack to set things off could be bad for Iran, because trump is an idiot.

I really doubt North Korea would even want the US involved in any treaties with the way the US drops them when it feels like it.

But North Korea does not need to get the US on board... what they need is talks with the south.

Sadly it would not matter who Iran talks to... basically everyone that signed is happy except the US, and Israel didn't sign anything so they can go fuck themselves...

......."GarryB"......."Israel might be tempted to strike immediately if it hears Iran is going to get new weapons... if they think Iran is getting new Flankers and S-300 systems then they might try to strike Iran before they arrive/become operational.

Even just a pin prick attack to set things off could be bad for Iran, because trump is an idiot.

I really doubt North Korea would even want the US involved in any treaties with the way the US drops them when it feels like it.

But North Korea does not need to get the US on board... what they need is talks with the south.

Sadly it would not matter who Iran talks to... basically everyone that signed is happy except the US, and Israel didn't sign anything so they can go fuck themselves........."


Fortunately I doubt Iranians care too much what usraelis say or do . Nor should they care what yanks say . It is clear that the yanks have chosen war . And make no mistake about it , the yanks are not going to sit still and let Iranians trade with the world and exclude them and develop independent foreign policy and support regional states against yank inspired dissolution and break up .

Even if Russia and China and Europe and the rest of the world sticks with the Deal . And Iranian economy survives through their support and reorganising itself to become more self sufficient , and Iran does not go to war against yank . Still they will go to war . Once they feel they have an advantage . Perhaps more demonstrations on the streets .

And I said Iran should now have a secret nuclear detterent . Absolutely . But should not reveal this . Until it becomes necessary . As in severe political pressure , brought on by sanction imposed economic hardship . Or direct threat of imminent military attack by yank . Certainly Iranians should not wait to declare themselves a nuclear weapon state , when they are too weak to fight a war . And have been diminished to the level of people in Yemen .

But for now , if they will not declare themselves a nuclear weapon state . Because the nuclear arsenal is not ready or they don't face the threat of imminent military attack . Then in response to Trump , a suitable response may be to display say ICBM missiles . And do a test firing . No law against that .

One way of developing a nuke arsenal quick . Without the yanks having time to react is that say ten prototypes need to be built . Each prototype will be a hundred in number of devices . Ten prototypes can be tested underground simultaneously . one design that has the highest yield then can be used to arm quickly the one hundred prototypes with fissile material , or so warheads of same type . Of course the fissile metal must be of same size and dimensions . Nuke detterent in an afternoon .

It's high time to take Russia-Iran military cooperation to the next level! One way or another Saudi-Israeli alliance will attack them from strong US backing and arming. Better start preparing. Don't count on Europe. They are still pussies, they have no gut to ignore order from US.

T-47 wrote:It's high time to take Russia-Iran military cooperation to the next level! One way or another Saudi-Israeli alliance will attack them from strong US backing and arming. Better start preparing. Don't count on Europe. They are still pussies, they have no gut to ignore order from US.

This is very hard to do for Russia, if Russia does more military cooperation with Iran than more sanctions will come on Russia. I think the Iranians will turn to China for military cooperation, China is one country that the US cannot sanction without hurting itself. Iran needs about $15-$20 billion in arms and I think 90% of that money goes to China.

Russia is in a position where it actually benefits from being pushed away by the US, and by the look of it the EU is not going to tear up the nuclear deal with Iran, so how can the US sanction Russia and not the EU and China?

Sorry... my mistake... why cloud the situation with common sense. of course the US can sanction Russia and not the EU or China...

The point is that there is more potential for trade between Iran and Russia than there is between Russia and the US, and a more stable future between Iran and Russia, so why would Russia waste time with the US?

Of course perhaps this was the plan all along... the current setup means Iran is tied to no nuke weapons with the remaining agreement with everyone except the US, but the US gets to put its sanctions in place again... presumably locking up all the Iranian money they are pinching, and restricting the Iranian economy, but getting Iran to agree to the other members of the pact that they will not develop nuclear weapons...

In such a situation I would say the better option for Iran is to demand a new agreement, because they are keeping their end of the bargain but with the US out the other side of the bargain is not the same...

par far wrote:
This is very hard to do for Russia, if Russia does more military cooperation with Iran than more sanctions will come on Russia. I think the Iranians will turn to China for military cooperation, China is one country that the US cannot sanction without hurting itself. Iran needs about $15-$20 billion in arms and I think 90% of that money goes to China.

Why are you still expecting US won't do any further sanctions and stuffs against Russia anymore? Even if Russia just sit idle and start growing up their own economy, society, industry and army US will invent something from other universe and blame it on Russia and put sanctions or something. Remember Skripal case??
It's better Russia-Iran both take the chance they have now. It's not just about buying-selling arms, it's about developing a cooperation.

PS: Tronald Dump will try to sanction China as well, if he feels like it! Do you really think he knows what he is doing? xD

The zio's can try whatever they want. At the end of the day Iran will prevail in Syria. These pussy attacks don't change anything on the ground whatsoever. A few months maybe even years from now Syria will be in the same predicament as Iraq is today.....an Iranian colony.

The EU will not stand by Iran and the JCPOA. Here’s why.

Despite their anger European leaders will not risk rupture of their links with the US because of Iran

http://theduran.com/eu-claims-to-stand-by-jcpoa-with-iran-should-not-be-taken-seriously-heres-why/

Russia/ China/ Iran troika is all that matters in the Eurasian integration. Iran's main customers are India, china, Sk and Japan. EU is a secondary customer. Can be replaced and probably will be.

https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2017/1217/How-Iran-the-Mideast-s-new-superpower-is-expanding-its-footprint-across-the-region-and-what-it-means

Iran doesn't need the EU, the EU needs Iran.

Iran controls Iraq (second largest Oil & Gas reserves in the world), Syria, Lebanon and soon Yemen. What about Serbia?......lol

Today 90% of Syria under Iranian control.......let's get things in perspective first.

Bahrain and Qatif (Sawdi eastern province, where all the oil lies, and its 100% shia) are next on Iran's list to destabilize and take over. Let's see who has the last laugh. I bet it won't be the EU.......lol

PapaDragon wrote:
The EU will not stand by Iran and the JCPOA. Here’s why.

Despite their anger European leaders will not risk rupture of their links with the US because of Iran

http://theduran.com/eu-claims-to-stand-by-jcpoa-with-iran-should-not-be-taken-seriously-heres-why/

I agree that Iran can still manage well without Europe . If others continue to trade with Iran . But getting Europe on our side will make things easier . The only way to confront trump , is on governmental level . Single companies do not have the clout to do it alone . And they can not face the risks .

Therefore European states can impose counter sanctions against US firms in retaliation . If they are being sanctioned by yanks . The European states can then compensate each firm for any losses in profits . This could be done by state investment in these companies .

In this way alone , can Europe confront the Yank onslaught . Of course if this escalates , then Europeans may have to back down . But I think an initial concerted joint effort , by all Europe , may convince trump to back down . Merkel needs to take the lead . And quick . The contracts will be going to the Chinese soon .

This idea of Europe providing guarantees . How is this possible ? It is better that they deliver the goods and services first . And only then , they get paid . Not like before . When oil is delivered . And no payment made . They always have to fulfill their part of bargain first . This is only acceptable guarantee . Verbal guarantee and agreement no good .

The present contract with airbus is the same . Deliver a plane and then get paid . If not then not acceptable . Give money for oil first . Then get oil . Otherwise not acceptable . If you do not buy oil or sell plane because of trump sanction then you have imposed secondary sanction . You are in breach of nuclear deal . No new agreement can be made with Europe . Bye bye JCPOA , hello world .

These EU fags are just a buncha fukkin human garbage. Iran doesn't need shit from them. Only that they keep buying Iran/ Iraq oil and gas.

Other than that, once the Comac/ MS-21 series comes out, Iran wouldn't need them at all!

Today Sukhoi stressed that future US sanctions won't affect the 40 SSJ's heading to Iran:

Sukhoi to supply SuperJets to Iran despite sanctions:

http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/05/13/561540/Sukhoi-to-supply-SuperJets-to-Iran-despite-sanctions

nomadski wrote:I agree that Iran can still manage well without Europe . If others continue to trade with Iran . But getting Europe on our side will make things easier . The only way to confront trump , is on governmental level . Single companies do not have the clout to do it alone . And they can not face the risks .

Therefore European states can impose counter sanctions against US firms in retaliation . If they are being sanctioned by yanks . The European states can then compensate each firm for any losses in profits . This could be  done by state investment in these companies .

In this way alone , can Europe confront the Yank onslaught . Of course if this escalates , then Europeans may have to back down . But I think an initial concerted joint effort , by all Europe , may convince trump to back down . Merkel needs to take the lead . And quick . The contracts will be going to the Chinese soon .

Today 90% of Syria under Iranian control.......let's get things in perspective first.

Does that include the half of Syria under terrorist/US control and the areas Turkey is keeping the Kurds out of?

The Europeans have a lot invested in Iran and Iranian deals and I really don't think they will leave the deal.

Actually... sad as it is, it is actually beneficial for Trump and Israel that the other members of that deal keep it going... that deal means Iran has to not develop nuclear weapons... that suits the US and Israel. Withdrawing from the deal means they can reimpose their sanctions even though Iran is continuing to honour the deal with the other parties.

If anything the only losers are the US companies that would have made money in Iran... now likely that money will be made by others.

Bahrain and Qatif (Sawdi eastern province, where all the oil lies, and its 100% shia) are next on Iran's list to destabilize and take over. Let's see who has the last laugh. I bet it won't be the EU.......lol

I do wish you guys would hurry up and destabilise those saudi bastards...

@GarryB

Our job is to unite people . Their job is to divide people . Iran could easily divide these colonial remnants . Based on historical or religious influence . And guess what , all these regions are highly rich in oil and strategic . This is no accident . Because ancient and old civilizations grew up in particular geological area . Where ancients could mine metals like copper . The same geology led to oil reserves . In same areas .

Iran would be very powerful . But for shorter time . Since on the down side . There would exist a sectarian divide . Lasting for hundred years . And ultimately a disaster for Iran . So Iran by keeping unity of people and territorial integrity . Is thinking long term . Beyond narrow self interest . Or blind nationalism . Why have part of the cake now , when we can all share the cake tomorrow .

But then Iran can afford to wait . Russia is well to make large investment in the future too . Of course the yanks are doing this with the world . Why have part of the cake now , with small gains . When you can , all by yourself , have ( they hope ) the entire world cake tomorrow? So the question is strategic for all concerned . Not a miserly few billion dollar gain . Here or there .

The old Persian saying nomadski...........

Iran was born an empire! Without an empire, Iran is nothing!

Certainly a region where there is national independence . Democracy . Peace . Tolerance . Trade . Laws . And not a doormat for yanks to walk on .....

lulldapull wrote:Today 90% of Syria under Iranian control.......let's get things in perspective first.

Iran since late 2015 has been sitting on the sidelines while Russia was strengthening the core of SAA & co. year after year. Yes there are some few voluntary battalions (at most a weak brigade-level force), but that's it. Logistically speaking they're flying in a couple of C-130s every week. Their footprint is small and diminishing year after year, due to the nuclear deal.