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Assassination of scientisits is something dirty , Israel did it before with the Egyptian female atomic energy scientist Dr Sameera Moussa who was the first Arab woman to obtain a PhD in atomic radiation. They killed her in a "car accident" during her visit to the US .

Well the first thing they need to do is publicly expose what is happening and list all the victims of what Israel is doing.

They can call it what it is... terrorism, and that if it does not stop immediately with compensation then Iran will start its own programme and start killing Israels best and brightest.

Israel did it for the same reason that it has been killing its enemies since 1948. To quote from the movie Munich, why cut your finger nails ? They are just gonna grow back.

Because when you amputate your enemies fingers they can no longer sign peace deals... but they can still form a fist and set off explosive charges...

Iran is in a tough place. If they hit back too hard , they risk a Serbia/Iraq style air campaign from the US.

I disagree... if the US wanted to take on Iran they could have done it plenty of times in the past... they are vastly more afraid of Iran than you give them credit for... I think Serbia really surprised them in terms of how well they evaded HATO air power... they were too afraid to send in ground troops there too...

They have next to no allies that would stand by them. Iran is stuck eating these attacks for now.

They have no choice but to call for an end to these operations or to respond in kind... attacking Israeli scientists to prevent them developing nukes is redundant so they need to choose their targets via a different criteria... perhaps cultural targets like celebrities, or religious leaders, or educators and academics...

Or just the 1% rich jews who support Israel perhaps... and also their families...

They will probably try and stick out the next 50 days of Trump and go from there.

This policy and activity existed before trump and will continue until stopped.

As unpalatable as it will be, yes, that’s what they need to do, wait it out. This attack won’t stop things but the wrong response could do.

So continue to ignore their crimes.... with no penalty...

Their interests imo would be to redouble their efforts to root out the Mossad safe houses they established during the friendly shah days. That would really hurt israel. Not to mention some intel they would get from their ‘questioning’ of said agents before they caught COVID-19 and succumbed to it....very very difficult for them to achieve this but not impossible either. They need a lucky break, there is always a lucky break.

They need to clean house, but as shown in many a western movie or UK spy drama... what happens when the people in charge of cleaning house are the spies you are looking for?

The other point I’d make, is why would such a high value asset only have one armed guard? Why not be in convoy and surrounded by special forces every where he went? From the media reports it would appear there was only 1(?) armed guard with him, a relative who was his bodyguard.
Given the history of these type assassinations, surely the security should have been stronger and more detailed?

Hindsight is 20/20.... there are likely enormous numbers of people in the country critical for various different reasons... how many million bodyguards can you train?

And Usraelis need a constant reminder. So many targets. Iranians are spoilt for choice. I do not see why waiting is of any use. So many Usrael University. So many professors.

Indeed...

And if anyone from Albania was involved, well Iranians can reach deep and touch their new camp Ashraf with few BM. Otherwise they hold meetings with Bolton in USA. Hundreds of them. All gathered together in one place.

X2.

At 2:30 PM Iran time, a Nissan commercial vehicle exploded near Fahrizadeh's car. Immediately afterwards the assassins fired at Fahrizadeh & his bodyguard. Fahrizadeh was rushed by helicopter to the hospital where he died of his wounds

A fine line between terrorism and pre-emptive self defence...

GarryB wrote:Well the first thing they need to do is publicly expose what is happening and list all the victims of what Israel is doing.

Publicly expose to whom? The West or the East. The former won't believe the latter doesn't matter.

Western audience sometimes do not trust their government on domestic matters. But on matter related to Asia, Africa they have tremendous faith in whatever their sinister government tells them.

Propaganda is asymmetrical, it's only available to the rich. Next, there are 3 external costs to any corporation; Cost of Labor, Cost of Taxes, Cost of Capital. One dollar not going to those is 100% Profit. In the pre SM, MSM days idiots used to think idiotic things, which were initially random, unorganized and neutralized each other, but crooked and ambitious people managed to "polarize" this disorder using social media so that it becomes the greatest political force at their service.

@garry expose what? Do you think the world gives two shits? They don’t.

Their top nuke scientist travelling with what looks like 1 guard. Sorry but that’s what the secretary in his office should have had. He required a team, that’s not 20/20 vision - that’s plain old incompetence. You’re speaking from your bottom mate.

Yes, when I was posting on IMF, many years ago, when previous batch of Iranian scientists were being killed, I did say that all scientists should be moved to a secure city. With nuclear fallout shelter. There they live and work with family and students and research. I also said that people with high rank and info on Iran defence, should not be allowed to leave Iran. Like Soliemani. He could have been abducted instead. Tortured for information. But whoever leads Iran, lacks power and vision and organising ability. This needs to be sorted out. A smart move. New people at the top.

But of course the main problem is this religious Fatwa against Nuclear detterent. In my view a politicised factional decision, running against Iranian national interests. This Fatwa must be retracted or ignored by Iranian scientists and military men. Or new leadership be appointed, that will endorse detterent, at least after they are built. No other way for peace.

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/202011281081301263-iranian-supreme-leader-vows-punishment-for-iranian-scientists-murder/

Maybe already being done. This time no turning back like 2003.

The fact he was named dropped a few months ago by the israelis should have been ample warning to ramp up his security. Just incredible this has happened given the amount of assassinations that have taken place of the past number of years.
He was their head guy ffs.

GarryB wrote:Well the first thing they need to do is publicly expose what is happening and list all the victims of what Israel is doing....

They got exposed ages ago, nobody cares

GarryB wrote:Because when you amputate your enemies fingers they can no longer sign peace deals...

Why would anyone waste time on peace deals when he can have victory?

GarryB wrote:but they can still form a fist ...

No they can't, not without fingers

GarryB wrote:and set off explosive charges...

You can't set off anything with a stump (unless you try using two of them but you will be way too slow and get taken out before you do anything)

the place of the assassination of the Iranian nuclear scientist, photo








https://twitter.com/spriter99880/status/1332329892965396482

Yeah, building a closed city near the plant may not be a bad idea.

miketheterrible wrote:Yeah, building a closed city near the plant may not be a bad idea.

This happened in Teheran.

You can't protect them all always. To do so they must be sure that israel don't do it in fear of a retaliation.

Anyway that was a stupid move from Israel. Now they legitimize an attack on their civilians AND the iranian nuk program isn't affected because such a program isn't made by one guy like their propagabda tries to make believe.

He was the top of the program and that only means he managed the teams. He wasn't working directly. They probably have hundreds if not thousands of scientists working on that program.

From Cyberspec1's twitter:

#Iran #Fakhrizadeh
French paper Le Figaro, is also of the opinion that the assassination is a provocation aimed at getting an Iranian armed response to justify a US attack with support from the Saudi coalition.


https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1332491597917822978

#Iran #Fakhrizadeh
Fmr Head of Israeli Intell: "Such a move could lead to a violent reaction from Iran, which would provide the necessary pretext for a US attack on Iran's nuclear facilities during the remainder of trump's presidency."


https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1332489792580329473

".......... You can't protect them all always.........."


Yes you can. Put them underground, until they produce detterent. Then they can come up for air.
Together with the ICBM. How long is it going to take ? Probably a few months or a couple of years max. QED. Then they are all protected forever.

nomadski wrote:
".......... You can't protect them all always.........."


Yes you can. Put them underground, until they produce detterent. Then they can come up for air.
Together with the ICBM. How long is it going to take ? Probably a few months or a couple of years max. QED. Then they are all protected forever.

Armored car with more than one bodyguard would have been more than enough

magnumcromagnon wrote:From Cyberspec1's twitter:

#Iran #Fakhrizadeh
French paper Le Figaro, is also of the opinion that the assassination is a provocation aimed at getting an Iranian armed response to justify a US attack with support from the Saudi coalition.


https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1332491597917822978

#Iran #Fakhrizadeh
Fmr Head of Israeli Intell: "Such a move could lead to a violent reaction from Iran, which would provide the necessary pretext for a US attack on Iran's nuclear facilities during the remainder of trump's presidency."


https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1332489792580329473

This was the plan all along, they want Iran to do something stupid, so they can attack Iran but I don't think that Iran will respond this way.

Why did they use explosives?  They always do this. I think it was simply to stop the car. And then they opened fire. Knowing the car not armoured. Who knew ? But more than this, he was returning home from holidays. So they must have known the exact route of return in advance. Most probably, well  before  he set off. Because too little time to organise a complex attack, in short time. By chasing his car and phoning forward. No guarantee of success. Therefore he must have spoken about route of return , before setting off. Who knew?

An armoured car can still  be attacked. By RPG or mine. If they can stop a Tank, they can stop armoured car. Or they can attack other targets. As they have done so recently. Wage war. Starve population........ So no we need Nukes to protect against war. Not rusty Iron armour.

@ Parfar

Once I was waiting for a postal delivery. Very important to me. I refused to go to the toilet. And waited. I nearly shit my pants. Now I have my priorities right. Those who say that things will change in a few weeks time with Biden, lie to the people. The Leopard never changes it's spots.

There is nothing wrong with self defence. Or negotiations. Each in proper measure and in good time. Even conducted simultaneously.  The main problem in Iran is lack of political leadership and  a pro-western Liberal elite with monopoly of power. Looking after itself, not Iran. Looking to subservient role to USA. This  a result of corruption of Iranian culture and revolution...........

nomadski wrote:
Why did they use explosives?  They always do this. I think it was simply to stop the car. And then they opened fire. Knowing the car not armoured. Who knew ? But more than this, he was returning home from holidays. So they must have known the exact route of return in advance. Most probably, well  before  he set off. Because too little time to organise a complex attack, in short time. By chasing his car and phoning forward. No guarantee of success. Therefore he must have spoken about route of return , before setting off. Who knew?

An armoured car can still  be attacked. By RPG or mine. If they can stop a Tank, they can stop armoured car. Or they can attack other targets. As they have done so recently. Wage war. Starve population........ So no we need Nukes to protect against war. Not rusty Iron armour.

Imo, planned well in advance but waiting for Australia to secure release of their dual citizen first...israels thanks for all its one side support in recent times.
Make no mistake, the israelis are well embedded in the Iranian security apparatus much like the British and Irish intelligence were in the IRA.

There are ways of cleaning them out.  But it takes clever tactics. You can bait them by provision of false target or scenario. Put them in situation of facing certain ( fake) death. Test loyalty. Follow them.. Counter intelligence work. IMO, they are rather easy to spot. Mostly young and Amateurish.

After a while, you get to know how they operate. They have many operatives. All rather eager to get to know you, with surprising coincidental interests, such as yourself... They scan your mobile phone and browsing history and tap your Alexa and smart TV  and even send special messages through a Radio programme, that only you can understand or has personal meaning to you, to spook you... Even cyberspec on this forum, took the trouble to insert my Amazon shopping list  before posting a YouTube video and inviting me to view it....


But since I know how they operate,   I can loose them, if I wanted to....the only way to stop me, is to put a bullet in my head.... And they know it...... LOL.

nomadski wrote:There are ways of cleaning them out.  But it takes clever tactics. You can bait them by provision of false target or scenario. Put them in situation of facing certain ( fake) death. Test loyalty. Follow them.. Counter intelligence work. IMO, they are rather easy to spot. Mostly young and Amateurish.

After a while, you get to know how they operate. They have many operatives. All rather eager to get to know you, with surprising coincidental interests, such as yourself... They scan your mobile phone and browsing history and tap your Alexa and smart TV  and even send special messages through a Radio programme, that only you can understand or has personal meaning to you, to spook you... Even cyberspec on this forum, took the trouble to insert my Amazon shopping list  before posting a YouTube video and inviting me to view it....


But since I know how they operate,   I can loose them, if I wanted to....the only way to stop me, is to put a bullet in my head.... And they know it...... LOL.

The safe houses established during the shah days aren’t full of young amateurs, they’re expert israeli agents. My uncle told me about them 30 yrs ago, he had been in one years before that.

Are you saying your uncle was Usrael spy in Iran? I guess it is not difficult to put operatives in Iran or other country. But objectively, all we can say with certainty right now, about this incident :

( 1 )  Those that benefit by a short war with Iran, blame it all on the bad cop Trump and bring in good cop Biden, to reap the rewards and start a " new chapter", in relations. Are Usrael and Yanks.

( 2 )  The operatives had access to his car at some point , to determine it was not armoured. Or had access to this information. Simply bouncing a car, can tell you this, by how springs bounce back.

( 3 )  The operatives did not know the destination of vehicle. Did not attack on outward journey.

( 4)  They knew return route, well in advance. To set trap.

This indicates that, since attack not done on outward journey, that they did not get info from personal source near him. But given attack on inward leg of journey, that they knew return route. Now Absard, the place he was killed, has many roads in and out. No way of predicting what road to set trap in. Even if they knew second by second, what road, he was on. By observation or GPS tracker attached to vehicle. Therefore they had more than one team on more than one Road.

Also, reason for not attacking near his residence , could be that he lived in secure urban area. They could not make quick getaway. But a Rural area, with many roads, in and out, would give them this chance. Quickly drive away. But if police arrived quickly on the crime scene, they could be hiding in or around Absard, in fox holes.

Publicly expose to whom? The West or the East. The former won't believe the latter doesn't matter.

The rest of the world is watching, making public this information is in Irans interests and against Israels interests... especially every time they claim to be a victim because someone in their country dies because of an explosion or shooting.

Western audience sometimes do not trust their government on domestic matters. But on matter related to Asia, Africa they have tremendous faith in whatever their sinister government tells them.

This forum is all about a western audience that no longer trusts the major western news media giants...

Propaganda is asymmetrical, it's only available to the rich.

Propaganda is repetition and who shouts the loudest, but if you have no voice then you are never heard... when Israel bleats at being the victim because of this or that action remind them they murder with bombs and guns too...

@garry expose what? Do you think the world gives two shits? They don’t.

The west and Israel wants the world to not care, are you so easily manipulated?

Their top nuke scientist travelling with what looks like 1 guard. Sorry but that’s what the secretary in his office should have had. He required a team, that’s not 20/20 vision - that’s plain old incompetence. You’re speaking from your bottom mate.

Yes, you are right... it is Irans fault because they didn't surround every scientist they have with 50 armed guards.... just like 11/9 was Americas fault... where was the air defence protecting the Twin Towers or the Pentagon... those civilian planes should have been shot down straight away... why are the Americans such pathetic losers for not expecting this... they listen to every conversation on the planet how could they possibly have missed this.... they should be ahead of the game on everything but they are clearly not.

The obvious solution is that if Israel with US support is murdering Iranians then Iran needs to start murdering Israelis and Americans... or they need to take away the reasons for the murders... they need to buy 50 nuclear weapons from North Korea or the Ukraine....

But of course the main problem is this religious Fatwa against Nuclear detterent. In my view a politicised factional decision, running against Iranian national interests. This Fatwa must be retracted or ignored by Iranian scientists and military men. Or new leadership be appointed, that will endorse detterent, at least after they are built. No other way for peace.

The punishment for the attack should be a new goal to create and produce nuclear weapons in Iran... it is the only way for the country to be safe...

The fact he was named dropped a few months ago by the israelis should have been ample warning to ramp up his security. Just incredible this has happened given the amount of assassinations that have taken place of the past number of years.
He was their head guy ffs.

Iran should start name dropping Israeli names...

Why would anyone waste time on peace deals when he can have victory?

How are they liking their victory? Looks more like they have two cages there in Israel... one for the Palestinians which is getting smaller, and one for Israelis which is getting bigger, but still not the paradise they thought it would be.

No they can't, not without fingers

Actually special force training includes punching with your open palm.... no chance of breaking your fingers...

You can't set off anything with a stump (unless you try using two of them but you will be way too slow and get taken out before you do anything)

You have a low opinion of amputees... do you think someone with no fingers can do nothing to harm you?

I would think taking their fingers would make even the nicest gentlest person want to harm the person who took their fingers from them because they were afraid of what you might do with those fingers...

He was the top of the program and that only means he managed the teams. He wasn't working directly. They probably have hundreds if not thousands of scientists working on that program.

I suspect any resistance to their nuclear programme within Iran just got a lot weaker too... it is pretty clear having nuclear weapons is the only thing that will make them safe.

Armored car with more than one bodyguard would have been more than enough

For everyone involved?

If this was an attempt to provoke a response, then they need to be clever about it...

Imo, planned well in advance but waiting for Australia to secure release of their dual citizen first...israels thanks for all its one side support in recent times.
Make no mistake, the israelis are well embedded in the Iranian security apparatus much like the British and Irish intelligence were in the IRA.

Lots of foreigners in Iran... just kill a few... make it look like hits.... say ten foreigners for every Iranian... select Israelis and Americans or other nationalities... there should be plenty... preferably rich ones, but US or Israeli embassy staff or their families will do... obviously don't allow foreign investigations on Iranian territory. There will be dozens of suitable foreigners trying to liberalise Iran and make it more western and open...

The punishment should be against perpetrators only. Not ordinary civilians. Then what is our difference with them?  But before this , must obtain absolute proof, since it involves severe punishment. What if Saudi Royals were involved ?  Or internal MEK or some faction?  Or some individual in Europe or MI6?

But even if we know, such as case of Soleimani, does not mean we can retaliate. A patient's knowledge of their illness, is no guarantee of a cure. The Iranians are not even giving out info about all these attacks, to own people. Let alone to the world. A week before this incident, another assassination against university professor was covered up quickly. As was the electronic interference of Ukraine plane, found by France, just before " shooting" by IRGC. Not manpads!

Agree about detterent. But did you hear Rouhani today on RT? ....... We will not have nukes if....... We will not have nukes if........... We will not have nukes if...... The problem is to remove these Liberal opportunists from power. Ignore the defeatist Fatwa. Build nukes. IRGC should put own people in power. Especially intelligence ministry and Foreign ministry. A great cleansing.

nomadski wrote:Are you saying your uncle was Usrael spy in Iran? I guess it is not difficult to put operatives in Iran or other country. But objectively, all we can say with certainty right now, about this incident :

( 1 )  Those that benefit by a short war with Iran, blame it all on the bad cop Trump and bring in good cop Biden, to reap the rewards and start a " new chapter", in relations. Are Usrael and Yanks.

( 2 )  The operatives had access to his car at some point , to determine it was not armoured. Or had access to this information. Simply bouncing a car, can tell you this, by how springs bounce back.

( 3 )  The operatives did not know the destination of vehicle. Did not attack on outward journey.

( 4)  They knew return route, well in advance. To set trap.

This indicates that, since attack not done on outward journey, that they did not get info from personal source near him. But given attack on inward leg of journey, that they knew return route. Now Absard, the place he was killed, has many roads in and out. No way of predicting what road to set trap in. Even if they knew second by second, what road, he was on. By observation or GPS tracker attached to vehicle. Therefore they had more than one team on more than one Road.

Also, reason for not attacking near his residence , could be that he lived in secure urban area. They could not make quick getaway. But a Rural area, with many roads, in and out, would give them this chance. Quickly drive away. But if police arrived quickly on the crime scene, they could be hiding in or around Absard, in fox holes.

No he wasn’t, he had very little time for them actually but they had the means he needed. All I know is that he was tracking a Libyan there that was involved in bringing weapons to Ireland for the IRA. I’m not suggesting that he was getting those weapons or anything from Iran (Gaddafi had ample resources to send, and did). I simply don’t know as he told so very little of the story. Though he did say that the individual was later killed by Mi6 for the same reason.

If Iran is so convinced in their interpretation of events and wants to retaliate but doesn't want to give USA and Israel what they want then they need to wait several weeks and strike when Biden takes over, drop it in his lap on the first day of presidency

But Iranians will do nothing as always

Clinton Cartel works for EU and Chinese plus they are on Iranian payroll as well and what they want to do when they take over again is to restart cooperation with China in order to refocus on attacking Russia as requested by EU and White European political establishment in USA

I have no doubt that Iran will run back under Uncle Sam's skirt before February rolls around and will be taking aim at Russia the second Hillary snaps her fingers

They are anything if not predictable

Iran pretty much always strike back. They attacked a US base and you think thry woukdn't strike now that Trump is out.

For that matter today or in 1 month doesn't change a lot.

IMO they could even wait the anniversary of the death of the general and strike that day which is in begining of january.

Trump can't start a war now anyway.

PapaDragon wrote:
If Iran is so convinced in their interpretation of events and wants to retaliate but doesn't want to give USA and Israel what they want then they need to wait several weeks and strike when Biden takes over, drop it in his lap on the first day of presidency

But Iranians will do nothing as always

Clinton Cartel works for EU and Chinese plus they are on Iranian payroll as well and what they want to do when they take over again is to restart cooperation with China in order to refocus on attacking Russia as requested by EU and White European political establishment in USA

I have no doubt that Iran will run back under Uncle Sam's skirt before February rolls around and will be taking aim at Russia the second Hillary snaps her fingers

They are anything if not predictable

This post is worse than the crap Vann posts.

Iran will retaliate when it is the right time and it won't be a one time thing(see what is happening in Iraq.)

Iran does not have extra money to be pissing in a shit hole like the US, Clinton Cartel is on the payroll of organizations like AIPAC, the US military complex and the big tech companies.

The EU is on the payroll of US, not the other way. China does not have anyone in the US on its payroll, if it did, than the sanctions on Chinese companies would not have happened. Chinagate will be used by some Republicans and Pro-Trump supporters, like Russiagate was used by Democrats and Anti-Trump supporters.

The Clinton cartel is on the payroll of Israeli lobbies, not Iranian lobbies(Iran has no lobbies inside US).