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Isos wrote:Iran pretty much always strike back.

When was the last time they struck back?

Facebook memes don't count

Isos wrote:They attacked a US base and you think thry woukdn't strike now that Trump is out.

Attacked?

They missed everything (unless you buy their bullshit how they wanted to miss on purpose)

Isos wrote:For that matter today or in 1 month doesn't change a lot.

Or a decade... or a century...

It's the thought that counts, right?

Isos wrote:IMO they could even wait the anniversary of the death of the general and strike that day which is in begining of january.

Decades will pass and Iran won't be doing anything except for usual hurr-durr

Isos wrote:Trump can't start a war now anyway.

And still Iran won't do anything while he is there

The punishment should be against perpetrators only. Not ordinary civilians.

They people they are murdering are also ordinary citizens, why should israeli and american citizens in Iran be safe when Iranians are not because americans and israelis are murdering them?

Then what is our difference with them?

The difference is that you are responding to their violence with violence, you didn't start this game.

Let me ask you... if you do nothing why would they stop? Why not expand the target field beyond nuclear scientists... why not kill off Irans best and brightest... they already impose sanctions to effect your economy... why would killing a few businessmen be that much different?

But before this , must obtain absolute proof, since it involves severe punishment. What if Saudi Royals were involved ? Or internal MEK or some faction? Or some individual in Europe or MI6?

So what if it was a Saudi Royal or european or western spook... they are playing this game already... how long before you realise they are not going to stop and by not playing you are condemning a lot of smart useful Iranians to death.... they aren't killing the dumb useless people...

It is a selective cull to reduce your chances as a species of success...

But even if we know, such as case of Soleimani, does not mean we can retaliate.

Which will in effect ensure it continues...

A patient's knowledge of their illness, is no guarantee of a cure.

A patient who knows his doctor hates him and wants him to remain a sick weak victim needs to find a different doctor, because their current doctor needs to be struck off and prosecuted....

Especially intelligence ministry and Foreign ministry. A great cleansing.

And while you are talking about it the ones that don't need to be cleansed are being murdered by Israel... you do understand that effect... perhaps that explains the covering up and lack of response... it is like that famous conversation between two communists during Stalins purge that went something along the lines of... did you hear they are kill all the officers... the reply was... it is OK they are only killing the competent officers...

@ GarryB

".... why should israeli and american citizens in Iran be safe when Iranians are not because americans and israelis are murdering them?...."

In a total war, where entire population is under arms and fighting and actively killing , then it may be difficult to distinguish  combatants from non-combatants. Then it is correct to generalise and say.... " they " are killing " us ". But  ordinary Americans or Usraelis are not actively engaged in killing  of Iranians. Just the Zionists and Neo-cons. They provoke a war, to stay in power and in profit. Their population has no choice, but to support them. We must separate them from this influence. Target those responsible. However if their attack poses an existential threat, and no possibility exists to target the culprits only, then the target list may have to be slightly broadened. A City, instead of a party political meeting......

".... So what if it was a Saudi Royal or european or western spook... they are playing this game already... how long before you realise they are not going to stop and by not playing you are condemning a lot of smart useful Iranians to death.... they aren't killing the dumb useless people..."

Yes they are all playing. And for each action , there should ideally be an equal reaction. But Iran can not do this, because they have greater force, weapons and Nukes. Iran has less weapons and no Nukes.  That is  why they attack. By building a detterent, Iran will be able to retaliate and quickly escalate to threat of Nuclear weapons. I have been saying Iran needs a detterent. But Iranian ruling elite, unlike the people, are pro-western American brain washed Liberals. They will not protect Iranian national interests.

"... And while you are talking about it the ones that don't need to be cleansed are being murdered by Israel... you do understand that effect... perhaps that explains the covering up and lack of response... it is like that famous conversation between two communists during Stalins purge that went something along the lines of... did you hear they are kill all the officers... the reply was... it is OK they are only killing the competent officers..."

Agree. I was not going to mention cover-up in this Fakhrizadeh case. But explanation given, not consistent with initial reports and facts on the ground. The initial reports, were of explosion, followed by gunfire, with some unconfirmed reports of several attackers. The later official reports claim no attackers, first gunfire then explosion.

Now it makes no sense to open fire first, if one can use the exploding car. Just allow car to pass by, then destroy car. The reason explosion did not work, was that it was set off too early. About 15 meters too early. I have seen videos of IED in Iraq, failing because of misjudged timing. It makes sense then, that attackers came in and opened fire, to finish the job. Plus, if MG was used , then only 4 shots fired at windscreen!  Why?  Were they short of bullets?  Difficult to discharge so few rounds with automatic weapon. Plus side windows shot out. Driver window could not have been pulled down in winter. It shattered. ( side windows are designed to shatter). As you would expect, if glass was not bullet proof. The hits on main windscreen indicate, normal toughened glass. Small shattered area, compared to bullet proof glass that creates a larger impact area of broken glass, absorbing impact . Runs against official story of armoured car.

In short, original story more likely correct. Official story does not add up. If vehicle armoured, then officials not to blame for failings. If no assailants captured, because they did not exists in first place. Officials not incompetent. Or is it that the truth may indicate enemy had inside job. Lead vehicle protecting, left convoy, just prior to incident. Allowing attack to take place.... If Iranians were given all the correct information, then those in power have to make a quick exit from political office.... .

https://youtu.be/Mt2mzCBnEXg

https://www.rt.com/news/508788-iran-assassination-mossad-interview/

The fact that Brennan called it a criminal act clearly shows that America supported this and likely drove it for political means.... Trump wanted a war to deflect attention from the election issues.... for Brennan to call it a criminal act is not to say he mourns the dead Iranian, but he fears the consequences of this action and its effect on US/Iran relations that this attack was clearly supposed to destabilise.

I would say organise a meeting in Iraq with a high up US representative and then blow it up like they did with your general and call it even... obviously try to minimise Iraqi losses as much as possible...

Reading the comments out of Iran, it appears that most officials are downplaying this incident as well. Like other incidents lately. The culprits are not immediately identified. The reasons are twofold. For some who will negotiate under any and all circumstances, and repeat any JCPOA mistake and agree to any demand, no attack justifies abandoning their pro - American stance. And for others, it may be a cautious avoidance of war.

Ofcourse the public demand retaliation. And it may be difficult to avoid this.Leaving aside the Liberal defeatists, then those that are hesitant for the sake of peace, are only justified in their caution, if in fact they are actively building a detterent. One that once revealed , will change the situation from war to peace. And one that is almost ready. Otherwise this caution is futile, and is understood by all as weakness.

Therefore if they wait, so as to display a detterence, all is well and good. Otherwise, it is better to retaliate now than later. Before the blood of the victim runs cold. And people's heart turns into hopelessness and dispair. A retaliation, an incident similar to the one that the enemy organised. Irrespective of who is in the white House. Or when.

https://en.mehrnews.com/news/167267/Iran-signs-agreements-for-arms-export-Defense-Minister

Good to know. I bet purchases refer to fighter jets from Russia or China. I hope they let us know ASAP. Now I will try to answer some media topics out of Iran. Since I am the great sage ( not the vegetable kind) and will solve the world's problems with a few suggestions !!

( 1 )  A high birth rate is not necessarily good. Or Islamic. All depends on available resources and agriculture and GDP.  The ideal population size , is somewhere between the maximum and minimum levels. Seeing the economic decline  in Iran, then maintaining the present population size , seems the best option. Therefore no more than two children per couple. With state aid, to facilitate this.

( 2 )  Unemployment can be greatly reduced and GDP increased by lengthening the working week to seven days with a three shift system for all industry and a job share scheme and early retirement for some people. This scheme will not need new investment. Simply more efficient use of present apparatus. The job share scheme, together with a three shift system, will mean that the same industry, employs twice as many people, with twice the output. Employ the young.

( 3 ) The JCPOA , or supposed trading of Iran's  detterence for economic welfare was a fail . Should be rejected . Not maintained or renegotiated. Defence should not be sold out to goodwill gestures of the enemy.  The enemy can not and will not negotiate or trade with Iran, if they feel they can defeat Iran, and take easily by force, what they had to Barter for, at a high cost. Nukes mean they have to compromise and negotiate.

( 4 )  No ideology in the world is complete or immune from error. All ideology has to be understood correctly and within correct historical context. Otherwise errors result. This is not an easy task. And needs the greatest degree of tolerance and social and political and scientific discussion. Iranians have to reject intolerance and political violence. Establish political parties, based on freedom of political thought. Build a Democratic Republic.

Now to the next problem..........

Would remind the great one that in urban areas lots of children are not needed unless they are prepared to seasonally go out to the country and bring in the crops, so I would probably suggest for one child in the city and three in urban areas...

I would say training schemes and education would also equip the young with the skills to get jobs... it would be useful for businesses to get together and talk about what skills they want and what sort of workers and jobs they need to fill now and potentially in the future so the kids don't all get the same degree and compete for a small range of a few jobs they think look cushy... and well paid.

Of course farmers would have less problems getting crops in if they paid the workers a better wage and offered things like free accommodation and food so the money they earn can be saved... but then that also comes down to the people the farmers sell the food to paying a fair price as well.

I think Biden will want the return of the JCPOA, but I rather suspect he will also want to add conditions... and if he does I think Iran should reject that out of hand.

The JCPOA was talked through and agreed... Iran kept its part of the bargain and the US and EU have not... Iran could go back to complying with the agreement if both the US and EU do too.

If the US wants any other concessions they they need to add things to the pot... and they need to be serious things for serious things and certain things are off the table anyway.

Obviously I don't think Biden will agree to any of this so the JCPOA remains off the table so Iran should develop nuclear weapons capacity and call their nuclear weapons after the scientists and generals foreign powers have killed...

I don’t think there is any doubt that he’s going back to it, equally there is little doubt that to appease the jews, Iran’s missile technology will be dragged into it; if you read the comments out of Europe, they’re saying the same thing - the jews have been working hard with both sides of the Atlantic now singing from the same hymn sheet.
Iran should outright call this a red line and walkout.

I personally don't care if the  new American admin go back to JCPOA ,  even without any new conditions on missiles or  FATF  or ..... And selling Iran  Boeing  and  agricultural  goods or.....

Iran needs ICBM and Nukes and nuclear subs. Because another American regime  will change  it's mind  or  the Usraelis will loose patience and attack or the Turks or Pakistan or...... or.........or..........

JCPOA , was not just a test for the Americans. It was a test for all. For our time. A time when only the threat of certain annihilation will deter from war. All will sooner or later come to this conclusion.

And that is the lesson isn't it.

Get nukes or we will screw you.

Ironic that they had a good deal, but was ruined because the US wanted more...

The Trump Administration was the dog walking over a bridge carrying a nice big juicy bone... it looked into the water and saw another dog that also had a big juicy bone too... it wanted both bones so it barked and both bones disappeared...

Of course when you are dealing with such stupidity don't expect too much from having nuclear weapons... China and Russia have nukes and the US treats them with sanctions and continuous abuse against their country and their leaders...

But America trades with Russia and China and it will not go to war with either country. Sure they make noises and send Aircraft carriers now and again. But tensions do not escalate even to minor skirmishes, like India and Pakistan.

War becomes impossible . One side phones the other ,  to inform them  of  a cruise missile  " attack" so that they evacuate positions and nobody is killed . A symbolic strike. But in the case of Iran ,  there  is no fear of  causing  actual death. Shoot first and then claim responsibility.

Once the world learns that Iran is a Nuke power ,  all the people learn this fact , and not just the few. Then  political pressure  will stop any politician  or  adventuring General  to  escalate tensions to the point of war.

And since war is made impossible , then  nations have no choice but to resolve problems through peace. Over the long term. This includes respecting the basic rights of populations and countries to security and welfare.

I think it is time for Iran to declare itself a Nuclear weapon power. Because the advantages  of an overt programme and display of force streanght, far outweigh any disadvantages. A strategic Nuclear detterence. Non negotiable.

NK has done it but still is being sanctioned. Iran is going to be a fat target for the hybrid war waged against it now, just like Russia is, regardless of its nuclear status.
Convencional war on Iran isn't in the cards- it's too big, has lots of missiles, planes & boats & now has de-facto border with Russia via Karabakh & the Caspian Sea. 
The Turks r also not stupid to start a war as Russia will finish it for them, with a big possibility of them losing everything, incl. Kars & Istanbul.

"..... NK has done it but still is being sanctioned......."

Absolutely. And Cuba gave them up and is being sanctioned. And Pakistan has them and is not being sanctioned....... It looks like the economic sanctions are independent of Nukes. Depend on policy. If a country is independent , then it is sanctioned. China is an exception , because of the size of economy and cheap production costs. But this is also changing. Therefore silly to link Nukes to sanctions. And crazier still to give up Nukes for the sake of lifting of sanctions. So the JCPOA should be thrown into dustbin of history.


".. Iran is going to be a fat target for the hybrid war waged against it now, just like  Russia is regardless of its nuclear status........"

Nukes do not stop all conflict . But they stop escalations into hot conventional war. A cold War  will exist regardless of Nuke status. But better a cold War than a hot war. And I don't remember North Korea's Generals and scientists being assassinated by America.

"..... Convencional war on Iran isn't in the cards- it's too big, has lots of missiles, planes & boats & now has de-facto border with Russia via Karabakh & the Caspian Sea........."

The reason full conventional war did not start yet , should be seen as a historical and transient anomaly. I have no doubt that we are and have been on the verge of war, for some time. And the next time someone sneezes at the wrong time, I am sure there will be war. The military industrial complex  has supremacy in USA , and they win by any kind of war. Even one that they will " loose".


"..... The Turks r also not stupid to start a war as Russia will finish it for them, with a big possibility of them losing everything, incl. Kars & Istanbul......"

Human history shows that there is a constant state of war between tribes and nations. Expansion and contraction. Nation states behave like blind Amoeba. Expanding and devouring each other. Nukes have made a difference. No more expansion or contraction through war.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amoeba


https://youtu.be/C5vSQhI624s

And so on ad-infinitum......

But America trades with Russia and China and it will not go to war with either country. Sure they make noises and send Aircraft carriers now and again. But tensions do not escalate even to minor skirmishes, like India and Pakistan.

The US waves a big stick and talks about sanctions, but the EU has imposed more actual sanctions against Russia than the US had... the trade between the US and Russia never really became that significant anyway and these days it wont improve much without a serious change in the US... which I rather doubt.

NK has done it but still is being sanctioned.

Nukes in China and Russia don't stop US sanctions... nothing stops US sanctions... especially not common sense... but it does mean they wont attack you and will try to avoid actual conflict that could turn into war... that is about as good as it gets with a fucked up psycho country like America.

The most important problem in Iran,  addressed by  famous Artist  Shajarian. He, like me, thinks of the political importance of laws and the constitution. A new or revised constitution. He thinks about a secular democracy. And a transitional government. Another viewpoint. Sad that he could not publish, while alive.

Without political progress , no other important issue in Iran or region can be solved. Such as  Iran having  full democracy by the majority. Nor Iran being stopped from developing proper nuclear defences. Nor having a proper government of national interest, that puts Iran industry and agriculture and national production first. Nor developing broader relations with the East.

I  personally am not a secularist. Since it too is a form of exclusive politics. Like the present system. I believe in a Democratic Republic. But I believe that Iranians should try and improve the political system. Make it more democratic. Accountable to the people. Not the UN!



https://iranian-studies.stanford.edu/transition-constitution

Such as Iran having full democracy by the majority

The funny thing is that this sounds like a good thing, but it really isn't.

People are stupid and gullible and can vote often without thinking properly and carefully about things.

They get caught up in their own situation and problems and rarely vote for the greater good or what is right for everybody.

Right now the main problem in the west is that everyone is afraid of the tyranny of the minority... someone who violates the rights of a minority is abused and fired from their job and becomes persona non grata...

You can choose your gender.... a man can identify as a woman so when he gets arrested for rape... which in the west requires a penis... you can't rape someone if you are a woman in the west... but if this man rapes someone he can say he identifies as a woman and can be sent to a womans prison...

Before political correctness this would never happen, but with political correctness worrying about the weak and the deviant hoping not to upset or offend them we have created a situation where predators can be put amongst the chickens in the hen house by the farmer.

If you have daughters how will you feel knowing every dirty little 14 year old boy can claim to be a girl and therefore access the girls toilets and the girls changing rooms at school... anyone who questions that need anger management and gender abuse realignment courses...

The irony is that teh PC brigade are not doing more harm than they are preventing... but alternative voices are not allowed.

But I believe that Iranians should try and improve the political system. Make it more democratic. Accountable to the people. Not the UN!

But all countries are accountable to the UN, and the ones that claim to be the most democratic are the least tolerant of alternative views and diversity of views.

The EU wont even let EU countries test their own vaccines for themselves, and they have to accept policy made in Brussels by unelected officials that live in ivory towers separate from reality.

I think that democracy is a good thing. Even a bad democracy  is better than a good dictatorship. Because people learn by making mistakes. But in dictatorship, they can not learn at all. Or have the power to change anything. That is the way people learn. By trial and error.

In Iran, this lack of democratic development ,  caused by the  very strong  right wing elements and using the religious apparatus  to  impose their rule , resulted in the destruction of  socialist and progressive  political  movements .

The result  is as we see. A lack of  independent  parliament . Or lack of  effective and  democratic participation  of the  entire population.  And politics best described as defeatist and Liberal. These have further destroyed Iranian agriculture and national industry. And damaged Iranian national defence.

In the west ,  opinions are not  curtailed . Political parties form. However the power of the majority is curtailed through  less visible means.  For example, one will never get the right job , if one is not wearing the right tie . But one can never prove it. But altogether , their more democratic forms are more efficient and stable means of governance. But these states , only want  democratic forms for their own people. Not ours.

As far as secularism ,  then it can be a good and positive structure. Providing that the existing religious norms are entirely outdated and  negative. And that alternative structures  exist , that  allow better more relevant social laws and norms. Shajarian must have felt, this to be true. And seeing the pain and suffering brought about, through the application of religious rule,  I understand why he said it. But the oppressive measures should be attributable to the role of the reactionary right wing, rather than religion itself. By removing religion from the picture,  the public can identify these reactionary elements, for who they are. They loose their religious protective mask. This may be more beneficial than having religiously orientated politics, sell us more of their  ineffective social reformism ( at best). Or more destructively, limit power to the previlaged minority, by blessing their anti - democratic actions and beards.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thehindu.com/news/international/us-will-join-nuclear-deal-if-iran-complies-with-provisions-blinken/article33681021.ece/amp/


Here we go again.  The defeatist Liberal establishment will again trade Iran 's  security  for  empty promises of the Yanks.  A great plan by them. First get them to disarm, and then maintain sanctions and then attack them.

Without a major political shift in Iranian political system,  to bring a Democratic and nationalist government to power, Iran will for the foreseeable future , remain without a Nuclear detterent. The region will be left in terminal instability. With further American military intervention. Iranian national industry and agriculture will be left in decline. And people will be left without power and freedoms. All because some bearded Liberal , can make money by importing foreign Rice or Tea or industrial goods. And sell them at Dollar prices and get Dollar millionaire. While Iranian people get poor and sell their futures to foreign interests, get attacked and loose their industry.

Hope Iran has sufficient deterrent capabilities to prevent a 1981 Iraq and 2007 Syria type of an Israeli attack. Israel has nukes. Iran must arm itself with at least chemical and biological weapons to deter Israel. It is a no-brainer. Best defence is offensive capabilities.

Jason2021 wrote:Hope Iran has sufficient deterrent capabilities to prevent a 1981 Iraq and 2007 Syria type of an Israeli attack. Israel has nukes. Iran must arm itself with at least chemical and biological weapons to deter Israel. It is a no-brainer. Best defence is offensive capabilities.

I assume that you're referring to the idf head's comments made on thursday?

1. why make such comments public?
2. better be planning to destroy the country as they will hit back and hard, iron dome wont be intercepting all those missiles. iran has a lot of problems right now - what a gift to them, unify the country
3. more like they are crying donald is gone and want to frighten the world into thinking twice about rejoining the nuke agreement.

or they might be bat shit crazy enough to do it - one hell of a way to piss the new president off though. time will tell...

First rule for any fish in the sea is learn how to defend yourself from things you can't evade.

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@ jason2021

Agree about detterence. But CW does not carry the same detterence benefits as NW. And BW is not truly practical. The reason is public perception as well as practical value. CW does not go boom. And the public do not fear it as much. Also CW does not destroy hard targets, enemy armour or planes or ships or silo. So it has to be Nukes.

However for detterence to work , it must reach a minimal credible quantity and range. An enemy might still risk a war, if a nation only possesses a few nukes. There must be sufficient quantity to ensure destruction or MAD. And this force must be displayed at some point. Before large scale conventional war is likely . In Iran case, it should have been displayed by now, if it existed. Surely after killing of Iranian General.

Perhaps the real solution for Iran is to invest in biological weapons that target certain ethnic groups... you can bet your ass the US is already doing that... they have already requested DNA donations from Russian people... how hard would it be to isolate a certain ethnic group with something that will be carried by anyone without effect till it finds a host with a certain DNA combination common to a particular ethnic group, and render them sterile or something...

Probably rather more effective than a nuclear weapon... you can release it anywhere and for most people it wont be a problem...

Of course till it mutates and starts effecting everyone...

Actually that might result in the massive population cull some nutters are hoping for, but it would be terribly random, though you wouldn't have the piles of bodies you have with Covid or other lethal viruses... it will just be schools will be empty and the population will age and die off...

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2017/11/28/world/middleeast/iranian-wrestler-alireza-karimi-machiani.amp.html

What is solution? Should Iranian sport suffer for the crimes of Usrael ? The answer is No! The better solution is to allow sport to continue, but allow the making of a political gesture. Similar to taking a knee by footballers in USA. It could even be more dramatic :

( 1 ) Not accepting medals.

( 2 ) Not standing for medal ceremony.

( 3 ) Donating medal for auction , money for Palestinian refugee.

All of the above, is better than the present plan. Or sportsman leaving country....

https://sputniknews.com/world/202102231082162616-iaea-chief-calls-on-iran-to-explain-traces-of-nuclear-material-found-in-places-they-shouldnt-be/

No. These traces are exactly where they are supposed to be. And my guess is that they will be increasing in number. In all sorts of places. Soon there will be millions of sites. All you need for a signal is a few grammes. Nuclear disguise.......looks like someone has been listening..... LOL.