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https://en.mehrnews.com/news/172394/Huge-explosion-hits-Israeli-regime-s-missile-factory-VIDEO

Not enough. Attack must be ten times this size at least. Good start. Looks like two hits.

@ GARRYB

".... Obviously next time less warning...",  SEEMS LIKE NO WARNING TO ME. LOL.

BTW.  This most probably means they have Nuke detterence against Usrael at least. So it boils down to detterence against Yanks. They need a few hundred Nukes for that. Not half  a dozen........so there won't be a next time. And children can sleep safely at night.

The Iranian children had good sleep last night. Did Usrael children have good night sleep too? Now I am asking anyone reading this post ( Usrael military) to supply accurate battle damage on TV.  So that resistance front can assess type of damage inflicted and be satisfied with a symmetrical response to recent Usrael attacks. Say half a dozen Nuclear and Rocket Engineer dead, damage to underground silo in Demona containing fissile charge for Bombs and damage to ancillary Nuclear processing equipment. That type of thing.....

No!  But you see, some are calling for very severe response. More severe than even the Bomb hardened Usraelis can withstand, without responding overtly. Then we get overkill. So best Usrael General come on TV and provide evidence of this type of damage.....on TV.

https://youtu.be/xzbRffi-qDw

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/powerful-explosion-rocks-sensitive-israeli-defense-factory-during-test-1.9732074

A powerful explosion took place on Tuesday at a sensitive defense factory during a test in central Israel. There are so far no reports of casualties.

The explosion occurred during a 'routine test' by the Tomer factory for advanced weapons, which develops rocket engines, the Ofek satellite launchers and houses various types of missiles. Locals say they heard an explosion and saw a mushroom cloud, with some filming it.

Officials may have underestimated the collateral damage of the test, which led to the explosion.

In response to the blast, Tomer said "this was a controlled test with no exceptional circumstances."

Tomer's factory is located in central Israel, and in proximity to residential areas. The company manufactures missiles for use by the IDF and other Israeli defense systems. They are the manufacturers behind Israel's Arrow 4 missile interception system.

Senior defense officials are now investigating what went wrong, and whether guidelines were adhered to.

"Ofek satellite launchers". That would be the Shavit. Which is basically a rebadged Jericho III ICBM.

By the conversation in this article that factory basically manufactures the large Israeli solid rockets.
Perhaps they were testing a large solid rocket and it blew up. Not that hard for it to happen. All it takes are some bubbles or cracks in the fuel or casing.
Manufacturing a solid rocket is kind of like casting concrete. If the casting process is done poorly it can have bubbles or cracks.
Once ignited a rocket with such defects can easily explode.

https://news.yahoo.com/iran-adds-advanced-machines-underground-200109407.html

Iran has installed extra advanced centrifuges at its underground uranium enrichment plant at Natanz that was hit by a blast last week, a report by the U.N. atomic watchdog on Wednesday showed,
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"On 21 April 2021, the Agency verified at FEP that: ... six cascades of up to 1,044 IR-2m centrifuges; and two cascades of up to 348 IR-4 centrifuges ... were installed, of which a number were being used,"
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According to a previous report, the IAEA verified on March 31 that Iran was using 696 IR-2m machines and 174 IR-4 machines at the FEP.
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Wednesday's report is the latest evidence that Iran is pressing ahead with the installation of the advanced machines,
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Wednesday's report also said Iran informed the IAEA that it plans to install four more cascades, or clusters, of IR-4 centrifuges at the FEP, where both of the IR-4 cascades it had planned have now been installed.

The shadow war. Fifty shades of grey. Who dunit. It took humanity thousands of years to discover that fighting in the shadows achieves nothing. So they invented armies. Uniforms. Rules of war. Flags. Because at the end of the day, war is but another way of resolving differences. By superior force. So in order for this " communication" to take place, any side launching an  attack, should first declare war. And take responsibility for attacks. Take responsibility for those killed or POW. But what we have now by the resistance front, is anything but. At least the Usraelis took responsibility. Much more than Iranians did so far. No, fighting in the shadows, is nothing to be proud of. And it resolves nothing. Keeping secrets about where attacks come from, is no good either. Because it is the people who decide. They have to settle the scores. They have to kill or be killed. So why not blame China or Russia or anyone for these attacks? If no one takes direct responsibility?  That is my main criticism of all the combatants here.

Now about Usrael underground facility. Since hitting Dimona will cause mass casualties, and radiation, then ancillary equipment not causing radiation escape should be hit. But these are in bunkers. I doubt that they will be very deep or far from Nuclear power station. But to discover location, Iranians can send a MIRV. Each section then a mini seismograph. With one section a thumper. Synchronous operation to avoid jamming . They land and record signals and send out, together with location. A computer programme then quickly calculates position of shallow bunkers.....

nomadski wrote:The shadow war. Fifty shades of grey. Who dunit. It took humanity thousands of years to discover that fighting in the shadows achieves nothing. So they invented armies. Uniforms. Rules of war. Flags. Because at the end of the day, war is but another way of resolving differences. By superior force. So in order for this " communication" to take place, any side launching an  attack, should first declare war. And take responsibility for attacks. Take responsibility for those killed or POW. But what we have now by the resistance front, is anything but. At least the Usraelis took responsibility. Much more than Iranians did so far. No, fighting in the shadows, is nothing to be proud of. And it resolves nothing. Keeping secrets about where attacks come from, is no good either. Because it is the people who decide. They have to settle the scores. They have to kill or be killed. So why not blame China or Russia or anyone for these attacks? If no one takes direct responsibility?  That is my main criticism of all the combatants here.

Now about Usrael underground facility. Since hitting Dimona will cause mass casualties, and radiation, then ancillary equipment not causing radiation escape should be hit. But these are in bunkers. I doubt that they will be very deep or far from Nuclear power station. But to discover location, Iranians can send a MIRV. Each section then a mini seismograph. With one section a thumper. Synchronous operation to avoid jamming . They land and record signals and send out, together with location. A computer programme then quickly calculates position of shallow bunkers.....

The Usraelis don't take responsibility for all their attacks either. Stuxnet is one example.
Asymmetric warfare is the prerogative of the weak and I think Iran has no delusions about on which camp they are in.
I think hitting the launch platform is also a valid strategy. If this was an attack or sabotage and they did hit Shavit facilities that was a valid hit.
Another thing they could try to hit would be Israeli submarines. That is the other leg of Israeli nuclear weapon delivery platforms.
Supposedly the Israelis use their Dolphin class submarines as a platform to deliver cruise missiles with nuclear warheads.

Thanks for reply lancelot.  Hitler said, I believe, that he thought  of  declaring  war as being hypocritical. In nature there is hardly any real distinction between strong or weak. All creatures have the means to attack or defend.

When attacking to kill, any creature hides the attack. Because it is a fight to the death. An antagonistic and existential fight. But when defending and trying to avoid a fight, then a creature advertises their presence. Demands a retreat , avoidance of a fight.

Obviously I do not agree with Hitler. I do not agree with wars of annihilation. But defensive wars are legitimate. For this reason they take place in the open. In human society as well as in nature.

So if the resistance front declared war, then they will have to think what they are fighting for, or the aims of the war. A difficult but necessary task. They have to set terms for peace. They have to abide by rules of war. War then becomes a means to achieve peace. Allows for de-escalation. So although the strong prevail in war. It is a particular type of war, a defensive overt war, a regulated war, that resolves to peace. And not result in extermination.


https://youtu.be/qDvFdj-pFMc

lancelot wrote:

nomadski wrote:The shadow war. Fifty shades of grey. Who dunit. It took humanity thousands of years to discover that fighting in the shadows achieves nothing. So they invented armies. Uniforms. Rules of war. Flags. Because at the end of the day, war is but another way of resolving differences. By superior force. So in order for this " communication" to take place, any side launching an  attack, should first declare war. And take responsibility for attacks. Take responsibility for those killed or POW. But what we have now by the resistance front, is anything but. At least the Usraelis took responsibility. Much more than Iranians did so far. No, fighting in the shadows, is nothing to be proud of. And it resolves nothing. Keeping secrets about where attacks come from, is no good either. Because it is the people who decide. They have to settle the scores. They have to kill or be killed. So why not blame China or Russia or anyone for these attacks? If no one takes direct responsibility?  That is my main criticism of all the combatants here.

Now about Usrael underground facility. Since hitting Dimona will cause mass casualties, and radiation, then ancillary equipment not causing radiation escape should be hit. But these are in bunkers. I doubt that they will be very deep or far from Nuclear power station. But to discover location, Iranians can send a MIRV. Each section then a mini seismograph. With one section a thumper. Synchronous operation to avoid jamming . They land and record signals and send out, together with location. A computer programme then quickly calculates position of shallow bunkers.....

The Usraelis don't take responsibility for all their attacks either. Stuxnet is one example.
Asymmetric warfare is the prerogative of the weak and I think Iran has no delusions about on which camp they are in.
I think hitting the launch platform is also a valid strategy. If this was an attack or sabotage and they did hit Shavit facilities that was a valid hit.
Another thing they could try to hit would be Israeli submarines. That is the other leg of Israeli nuclear weapon delivery platforms.
Supposedly the Israelis use their Dolphin class submarines as a platform to deliver cruise missiles with nuclear warheads.

I don't think Iran has the abillity to destroy Israeli submarines...maybe they can hit one but not all of them....i think they have 6 German made submarines...

https://youtu.be/csYSuiSFUpA

And :

https://youtu.be/CUoEyYewA-4

By my estimation and from video, the far range explosion near Dimona is 5 degrees at approx 2000 meters and 10 degrees at approx 1000 meters. Both giving size of explosion about 174 meters. From wiki data, blast of S200 at low altitude is 65 m radius or 120 meters. 200 kg warhead. This looks bigger about 300 kg. What you think?

Looks like the Iranians just suffered another blow from the israelis. Coincidentally as the head of Mossad steps down claiming they’ve penetrated the the heart of Iran….

It's getting embarrassing.

Their biggest navy ship..

elconquistador wrote:It's getting embarrassing.

Their biggest navy ship..

It sure as hell is. Incredible pain they’ve inflicted upon them. Reading the comments from the former head of mossad you’d have to agree that the self doubt and fear through the senior ranks must be both very real and high. Riddled they are.

Probably it's an accident ,no sign of any attack .It was an old outdated British ship.

^ There was also a fire at another oil refinery hours later.

Maybe this loss of power projection will be the impetus for Iran actually making a real order of weapons from Russia. But maybe not. Its hard to know what makes the Iranian leadership tick. Buy something ffs. Myanmar has a bigger order book.

Looks like yet another major blow delivered by the israelis this time to their sole nuclear power plant in Bushehr.

George1 wrote:

crod wrote:Looks like yet another major blow delivered by the israelis this time to their sole nuclear power plant in Bushehr.

Bushehr Nuclear Power Plant Was Shut Down Due to a 'Technical Fault', Iran Says

Sure what else are they going to say….

They’re now saying they foiled an attack on the plant.

@ George1

There was some 3 to 4 million votes that were void. Therefore total participation in election was about 43%. This low turnout in Tehran was only 27%. Following from the previous low turnout for parliamentary elections, means that change is needed in the political system.

I used to buy the MKO newspaper during the revolution, to read it. Then the newsagent refused to sell to me, because he said that I found the fault with the Liberal tactics and inform others. I listen to Iran International now, and the same Liberal propaganda is issued. I recommend all political activists to listen to this Liberal mouthpiece, to realise and understand their viewpoint and expose their tactics.

In short they are against everything national. They are against any national achievement, including national industrial production, national prestige, national defence, national currency, national security and calm. And they will form tactical alliance with any forces that will destroy Iran national power. Create chaos and instability and aim for an opportunistic dash for power. To serve foreign and American interests. Nothing changed there from the old MKO days. Apart from their clean shaven and immaculate suits and dresses.

But they are not all dressed like that. In Iran where everyone is a good Muslim, they sport beards and some wear Turbans. It is even more important for Iranians to close this weakness in political system. Expand democracy by organised political parties in Iran and reduce or eliminate this liberalism disease and their  ( right wing) monopoly on power.

@ crod

The closure of Nuclear plant has happened before as a matter of precaution against attack by Usraelis. Removing the fuel rods to safe place, so that Demona can be taken out without risk of Bushehr being destroyed.

Edit : The Liberals want an expansion of strikes by workers  to affect all Iran industry to cause damage to national industry, without offering a way for workers to gain the right wages and conditions.

The national factory owners want to stop  all strikes by workers to maintain poor working conditions and fat profits, without offering a way for workers to gain the right wages and conditions.

The Iranian workers want to expand the strikes to gain the right wages and conditions without offering any other way to improve their condition.

Only a political party of workers and farmers with proportional membership in Parliament can find a way to improve wages and conditions without the need for strikes or damages to national interests.

Therefore workers representatives must be free to lead them and form political parties to improve social conditions for the majority.

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/iran-mass-torture-following-brutal-crackdown-november-protests-new-report?utm_source=google&utm_medium=grant&utm_campaign=BRD_AWA_GEN_dynamic-search-ads&utm_content=

A long but accurate ( Amnesty is generally accurate) article on political problems. Indicating the need for democratisation of political process. What you think?  I said before that there could be no political crimes. Only security crimes. Soon after they brought in laws for political crimes!

Climate change is causing droughts and floods. Iran like other ME countries will face shortages. A 50% decrease in rainfall. So the capacity for water storage and use must be improved. I have previously mentioned some solutions on other forums like IMF, when it was running. But mention again :

( 1 )  Water storage capacity must be increased. Best in covered underground facility to stop evaporation. Long term storage for a droughts that may last upto 5 years.

(  2 )  Cleaning waste water for agricultural use . Sewage system in all towns. Turkey was going to help build these.

(  3 )  Desalination plants for production and storage of drinking water.

(  4 )  Planting drought resistant crops for food in dry areas. Leaving Rice cultivation for traditional Rice growing region to protect Iranian Rice variety and communities in the North. Replacing alternative carbohydrate source like wheat for Rice. If shortage of Rice then Ration. No import of Rice.

( 5 ) Design and replace domestic cooling systems that use no water. Make a law for this.

(  6) provide lower quality water of salt water for flushing of toilets. Educate people in using less water for washing. Design special showers that limit water use.

(  7)  Allow domestic water storage in large plastic containers. When supplies exceed demand, people can store water at home for the dry season.....

( 8 ) Diversion of flood water to storage areas. In River Valley or flood plain.