Russia - Iran Military Cooperation

Hope Iran works with the su-75 program and then Russia can also develop independent supply chains for Iran and Iran can ultimately get full development for the upgraded al-41 engine and other technologies. Allowing Iran a greater tech base to their current MIC.

Nice to see some respect, Iran has some of the best engineers in the world, and they have worked very hard to get where they are today...

I should point out that my comment about the F-5 as a trainer is a no brainer... the F-5 itself is a combat fighter version of the T38 trainer aircraft, so it actually started out as a trainer aircraft.

Would love to see a version of the F-5 with its 20mm cannon removed and replaced with twin barrel 23mm guns, and upgraded engines... important to keep it affordable though...

It's the su-30 they need to stop building. Its two crew are far more expensive than the single pilot in the su-35.

Yeah, but fits a different niche.

ALAMO wrote:Yeah, but fits a different niche.

There are also some customers like India that absolutely want a two seat plane (i.e. Su-30MKI and their previous planned version of the PAK-FA).

Furthermore for naval patrols Russia apparently wanted a two seat plane as well.

Anyway in previous communications it was written that the yak-130 being sold to Iran would allow the pilots to train for su-35 and Su-57.

Does it mean that a contract for the sale of Su-57 to Iran is being defined as well?

For naval aviation that will execute complicated antishipping missions, having a weapon/systems operator is a clear gain. Especially as we are talking about long distance and duration patrols.

Eugenio Argentina wrote:Iran's Deputy Defense Minister reported that final agreements have been signed on the supply of Su-35 fighter jets and Mi-28 helicopters to Iran.

I said before , Iran to buy Russian planes , if spare parts and ammo stocks are available for at least a six month air war . But now I changed my mind . Iran should buy Russian jets only if : ( 1 ) Russia allows licence production in Iran . ( 2 ) Domestic fighter , can not be made cheaper or faster and such purchase will not slow down or stop other domestic fighter programme , but speeds it up . ( 3 ) The cost of programme is not so high as to stop or slow down Iran satellite launcher ( ICBM ) and slow down nuclear programme for peaceful purposes . The likelihood of Iran being engaged in a prolonged war , with one or more powers has increased .

Iranian can't make a decent number of knock off f-5 fighters, they will never be able to build su-35 in quantity.

Some say they want 70 su-35 in all. Maybe some chinese j-10 and they will be good.

No one in the middle east wants a war with Iran. The drones and ballistic missile will be enough to destroy anyone's petrol industry. No need for planes.

Those su-35 will be used to watch their borders better and track US ships.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/23/politics/iranian-attack-drone-houthis-red-sea/index.html

If you are right , and even if you are not , fighter jets for Iran will be of limited use . A smaller number are needed , for conventional regional conflicts with troublesome neighbours . Still war is endemic to the region . It is possible that supply chain with Russia will be disrupted , politically or through economic pressure or direct intervention . It is likely regional conflicts will be longer than a few months . Against the Yanks , Iranian fighters are much less useful , because of vastly greater number of planes , they have . That is why , Iran needs domestic fighters , more advanced , and it needs satellite launcher and deterrent too .

Capable aircraft flow by well trained and capable fighter pilots offer very very good protection against any enemy threat.

Modern air defences are very capable but in self defence they work together with your fighter aircraft to make your defences much much stronger.

Remember Iran can pay for these aircraft with oil to Russia... oil is an international currency that Russia is already selling to customers so they can readily convert it to currency and sales if they need to.

Don't think of Iran buying Su-35s as dooming Iranian aircraft design... think of it as finding a new partner to cooperate on new aircraft designs for the future.

I would think Iranian engineers would have plenty to contribute in terms of future joint development projects... their threats and problems come from the same country Russias threats and problems come from.

Rather than cutting into other programmes joining programmes with Russia could expand what Iran will be able to do and allow them to expand their growth and development without fear of sanctions.

Iran to Begin Receiving Sukhoi Su-35 Fighter Jets from Russia Starting Next Week

https://defencesecurityasia.com/en/iran-to-begin-receiving-sukhoi-su-35-fighter-jets-from-russia-starting-next-week-report/

George1 wrote:Iran to Begin Receiving Sukhoi Su-35 Fighter Jets from Russia Starting Next Week

https://defencesecurityasia.com/en/iran-to-begin-receiving-sukhoi-su-35-fighter-jets-from-russia-starting-next-week-report/

The ex Egyptian export spec Su-35s?

The ex Egyptian export spec Su-35s?

Not sure why they would cancel that sales agreement with Egypt.

I would expect Iran probably wants different features and capabilities and wont want another countries reject...

We don't know Egypt has cancelled that deal either.

This is going to upset the US and Israel... wonder if Saudi Arabia will buy something in response?

GarryB wrote:
We don't know Egypt has cancelled that deal either.

unless rejection happened because of political pressure and fighters are ready?

S p r i n t e r F a c t o r y
@Sprinterfactory
Iran ordered 12 Mi-17 transport helicopters from Russia for $500 million.
The first delivery is planned for 2025.

Sales of Su-35s for Sukhoi would be very good news... they make rather more profit on export sales than they do selling to the Russian military.

Iran has the advantage that they don't need to worry about US sanctions for such purchases because they are now essentially sanction proof.

I wonder if they have hardened underground shelters big enough and strong enough to take such big heavy fighters.

The integration of these modern sophisticated aircraft will increase Irans performances in a few different areas too... with a decent radar and RVV-BD missiles it will be rather potent and powerful.

I would say rather than licence producing of big expensive fighters it would make more sense to licence produce smaller lighter platforms because the volume of production would allow better value for money. When you make big expensive planes yourself you are never going to afford to make enough of them to break even let alone turn out to save money. Making smaller lighter aircraft means you can make them in much larger numbers which means they don't end up so expensive and more of the money is spent in your own economy.

The ability to make smaller lighter fighters can be applied to light civilian aircraft design and manufacture too.

The problems Russia is having producing enough airliners suggests perhaps Iran could set up production for assembling Russian planes too.

Perhaps Iran might want to create a few joint ventures with Russian companies to make hypersonic scramjet powered Kh-31 replacement missiles for anti radar and anti ship and anti aircraft use, and perhaps they could work on new technology together.

Probably $20B+ ex works USA MIC

Legitimate Targets
@LegitTargets

BREAKING: RUSSIA & IRAN just cemented a $1.7 BILLION arms deal.

Ali (Baray Abbu)
@GabbarShair

The $1.7 billion arms deal between Russia and Iran marks a game-changing development in the geopolitical landscape. With both nations facing Western sanctions, the deal deepens their military and strategic ties, allowing Iran to bolster its regional influence and defense against potential threats, especially from Israel and the U.S.

Any details regarding the deal ?

So far nothing on Su-35's to anyone. I think in the future, the only real market for Russian military products is Russia itself. Maybe some smaller countries here and there. Iran is next best option but they haven't ordered anything.

BRICS is only just starting really, and it is an economic grouping to create and sustain economic growth and cooperation... the purpose of the group is to raise each other up economically but to remain equals politically, so Russia and China wont be dictating to other countries anything at all, but to help other countries find solutions to their own problems.

China is growing and Russia is growing too but their problems and therefore also their solutions wont be the same as for other countries, so other countries can learn from their experience but they need to look at their own situation and work out how to define their own problems, and the solutions needed to deal with those problems.

Countries as part of the western world don't look at their own problems, the focus is the US and how to meet its interests in the world... you might get some scraps afterwards or perhaps not. Maybe your gas pipelines that are a cornerstone of your energy infrastructure will get blown up.... who knows.

Will be very interesting to see what is part of this new deal, but the fact that it has been signed is interesting and likely will be the first of many... not just with Russia but also other BRICS members... they might want to buy Indian and Chinese and South African and Brazilian products too.