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medo wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IgbJS3XPbQ
Not exactly Russian related, but Iran start with production of their own Kornet-E ATGMs. I wonder if they bought them with blueprints from Russia or they just reverse engineered Kornet from Syria or Hesbolah.
TR1 wrote:Are we sure those are even Kornets, not a crappy local knock off?
TR1 wrote:Based on Iran's defense industry as a whole.
THey are not known for top of the line stuff in any field.
GarryB wrote:I am pretty sure they don't licence produce TOW now, but Iran does licence produce a range of weapons systems including ATGMs.
I rather suspect this is an example of a licence produced missile.
Does anyone speak Persian and is able to translate the video for us?
When the Shah was in power in the 1970s and Iran was the best thing since sliced bread, it was Iranian money that bought a surprising number of western defence products.
In fact what we know now as the Challenger series of tanks, which are world class vehicles, was basically paid for by Iran... imagine if they waited for them to be delivered before the overthrow of the CIA puppet?
I haven't checked but I would suspect the first TOW production plants in Iran was US built and paid for by Iranian oil.
They like to have their own military industries and they often base their products on foreign systems... twin tailed F-5s spring to mind, but I have quite a high regard for Iranian engineers... of course not being an engineer myself I also have a high regard for Chinese engineers too... even just copying is not easy and they often do more than just copy anyway.
A good example is my Type 56S rifle. Externally it is just an AKM copy, but they rebuilt the rear of the bolt carrier so that the hammer cannot hit the firing pin in the bolt till the bolt carrier is in the forward and locked position... it is a safety thing that prevents the hammer hitting the firing pin while the bolt is not in its forward locked position. In the Soviet AKM there are a few extra components that prevent the hammer being released till the bolt is closed and is referred to in the west as a rate of fire reducer... it is really just a hammer delay.
The Chinese solution reduces the number of parts they need to make, though it makes the bolt carrier slightly longer and heavier overall it is a design improvement.
I doubt Iranians think to use Kornet ATGMs against ships, when they talk about targets on water, but that they are very useful to destroy enemy swimming vehicles as AMTRAKs and other boats carrying naval infantry to attack your coast. Hitting AMTRAK 5 km away means surviving marines have a long way to swim back to the ship or a long way to swim to the coast.
I think it is still in the concept/prototype phase, hence the one crappy picture.KomissarBojanchev wrote:This is supposed to be Irans 1st very modern MBT, but there is only 1 bad picture of it creating serious doubt it exists? Can its existence be confirmed? Also what is the current state of the iranian armored fleet? Could it effectovely compete with israeli and US armor?
Re: Iranian Ground Forces | News and Equipment ShahryarHedayatiSHBA Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:49 am
KomissarBojanchev wrote:
This is supposed to be Irans 1st very modern MBT, but there is only 1 bad picture of it creating serious doubt it exists?
Can its existence be confirmed?
Also what is the current state of the iranian armored fleet?
Could it effectovely compete with israeli and US armor?
A little correctionShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:KomissarBojanchev wrote:
This is supposed to be Irans 1st very modern MBT, but there is only 1 bad picture of it creating serious doubt it exists?
Can its existence be confirmed?
Also what is the current state of the iranian armored fleet?
Could it effectovely compete with israeli and US armor?
to be honest , i must say that z3 and t72-s have similar capabilities
to this day, total number of five Z3 MBT has been produced
and Z3 is not modern MBT
back bone of iran armored flett is t72-s and chieftain
army bought large number of t72-s in past
and then IRGC start the production of T72 in 2005
NO ... Iran's armory can't compete with USA and Israel
Iran's MOD passed a very very tight budget for R&D about Z3 .
they simply not see ground fleet as priority in their deference doctrine
Z3:
Zulfiqar-3 is equipped with auto-loader, there has been no official statement regarding the usage of ATGM by Zulfiqar tank but Iran is producing an Iranian version of Svir called Tondar.KomissarBojanchev wrote:Can it fire svir, refleks gun launched ATGMs? If no I don't see why iran can't make a deal with russia to buy some older Refleks versions and further develop them.
BTW does the zulfiqar 3 have an autoloader.
Lack of modern ground forces can be a big weakness since iran has plenty of places from where US and Saudi Arabia can stage full scale invasions and marine landings.
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