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Wow, Kurganets is tall. Look at it in comparison to the BTR-MDM.
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It is bulky for sure, which is somewhat worrying in terms of protection, BUT the hulls looks to be about the same height as the Rakushka hull.
And it is not obscenely huge itself. I think the MOD has caught on that Ratnik kits and infantry equipment in the 21st century takes up a LOT of space. Otherwise it ends up hanging outside the vehicle.
And it is not obscenely huge itself. I think the MOD has caught on that Ratnik kits and infantry equipment in the 21st century takes up a LOT of space. Otherwise it ends up hanging outside the vehicle.
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TR1 wrote:It is bulky for sure, which is somewhat worrying in terms of protection, BUT the hulls looks to be about the same height as the Rakushka hull.
And it is not obscenely huge itself. I think the MOD has caught on that Ratnik kits and infantry equipment in the 21st century takes up a LOT of space. Otherwise it ends up hanging outside the vehicle.
View the full image and look at the far right, there's a kurganets parked next to a typhoon and they're almost the same height. The Typhoon's over 3m, in comparison the bradley is a hair under 3m.
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Shit, did not notice that.
You sure its Kurganets?
Hoping they missed the stupid 25 ton weight boundary by a lot.
You sure its Kurganets?
Hoping they missed the stupid 25 ton weight boundary by a lot.
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are you sure about that 45mm? It seems to me they would use the 45mm post war naval thing, as described here it's a big mean cartridge more powerful than classic WW2 AT gun cartridge (and other various 45mm like YAK 9 gun or early 45mm AA)
Pretty certain the 45mm round is a modern telescoped case round, while the 57mm round uses more modern propellents and all new projectiles to greatly improve performance... especially in the anti armour role.
I think part of the reason for choosing 57mm is the larger projectile means guided rounds are possible, but also the fact that 57mm guns are in current service with the Russian navy means you can save money by pooling resources and production, so the Army and Navy can share the cost of developing new rounds... wouldn't surprise me if they developed a short range UAV...
I know, was a good gun, but the M1942 version was a fantastic gun, comparable in penetration to Pak 38 but lighter and with a reliable access to APCR ammo, still was used in korea and scored success against US tanks. As far as i know, M42 ammo was not compatible with earlier short 45mm guns, though the cartridge case was the same.
Western "experts" didn't understand why it remained in use long after armour thickness's exceeded its capability... but with a HE round it is a very capable infantry support weapon... and lets face it... not every vehicle is a tank... there are plenty of much lighter vehicles it can deal with using one or two shots.
My understanding was that it was loaded to much higher pressures so the rounds could not be used in older guns, though the old ammo could still be used.
The 45mm rounds from the aircraft of the time... which again despite the beliefs of the western experts were actually used in the air to air role rather than the air to ground, were much shorter cased lower velocity rounds... though devastating if they hit.
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View the full image and look at the far right, there's a kurganets parked next to a typhoon and they're almost the same height.
You mean way in the background?
From left to right I see a T-34 and two trucks...
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The main raison d'etre for the kurganets was was for it to have a gun that's bigger than 2A42. What's the logic in ordering the vehicle but not the new weaponry?TR1 wrote:KomissarBojanchev wrote:What about all the intensive testing of the 45mm autocannon shown on GurKhan since 2011?TR1 wrote:Because there are no ready 45 or 57mm guns to show off.
Do you have evidence of this "intensive testing"?
Because I have not heard anything firm since GurKhan showed that pic.
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ult wrote:Picture from Alabino.
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KomissarBojanchev wrote:The main raison d'etre for the kurganets was was for it to have a gun that's bigger than 2A42. What's the logic in ordering the vehicle but not the new weaponry?TR1 wrote:KomissarBojanchev wrote:What about all the intensive testing of the 45mm autocannon shown on GurKhan since 2011?TR1 wrote:Because there are no ready 45 or 57mm guns to show off.
Do you have evidence of this "intensive testing"?
Because I have not heard anything firm since GurKhan showed that pic.
You can basically separate Epoha from Kurganets, and go from there.
Capiche?
Don't worry, the 2A42 is not the future weapon of full Epoha, whenever that appears.
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Looks like Kurganets to me. It's to wide to be anything else.
Maybe with their new 15% lighter armor, they decided they can get away with making their vehicles 15% larger.
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The main raison d'etre for the kurganets was was for it to have a gun that's bigger than 2A42.
You can't say that... Kurganets is a vehicle family it is not just a new BMP replacement...
Why would the command version of the Kurganets be fitted with a 30mm gun let alone a bigger one?
What's the logic in ordering the vehicle but not the new weaponry?
How can you display a vehicle with a weapon that is not even ready yet?
If it hasn't finished testing it wont be in serial production... so are you going to make some mock up guns for the parade or are you just going to fit the APC turret instead of the IFV turret?
Looks like Kurganets to me. It's to wide to be anything else.
So where is boomerang close enough to compare sizes with in that photo?
I rather suspect with Ratnik they will have a much better idea of how much space a soldier will take up inside a vehicle and that the new vehicles will need to be rather larger... no great surprise there.
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Su-35S prepared to participate in the May 9 Victory Day parade in Moscow
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Parade rehearsal at Alabino , all new stuff on display!
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zg18 wrote:Parade rehearsal at Alabino , all new stuff on display!
I miss armata tanks, but there were Boomerangs for the first time.
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zg18 wrote:Parade rehearsal at Alabino , all new stuff on display!
Nice video!
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Super happy with Boomerang wheel size.
Was worried it would be a barn on tiny wheels.
Was worried it would be a barn on tiny wheels.
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TR1 wrote:Super happy with Boomerang wheel size.
Was worried it would be a barn on tiny wheels.
Looks like the claim that Boomerang wouldn't be ready come May 9 was nonsense issues aside.
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As far as I'm concerned it could have the smallest wheels in the world and still be better than the 35 mph Stryker.TR1 wrote:Super happy with Boomerang wheel size.
Was worried it would be a barn on tiny wheels.
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magnumcromagnon wrote:
Looks like the claim that Boomerang wouldn't be ready come May 9 was nonsense issues aside.
There might be a grain of truth in that there are far fewer Bumerangs in that video than there are Kurganets.
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Vympel wrote:magnumcromagnon wrote:
Looks like the claim that Boomerang wouldn't be ready come May 9 was nonsense issues aside.
There might be a grain of truth in that there are far fewer Bumerangs in that video than there are Kurganets.
There were no Armata's in the video either, so what does that mean?
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Not in Moscow- but on the parade in Minsk a new MLRS will be shown. Pics of the reloading vehicle.
Not in Moscow- but on the parade in Minsk a new MLRS will be shown. Pics of the reloading vehicle.
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magnumcromagnon wrote:Vympel wrote:magnumcromagnon wrote:
Looks like the claim that Boomerang wouldn't be ready come May 9 was nonsense issues aside.
There might be a grain of truth in that there are far fewer Bumerangs in that video than there are Kurganets.
There were no Armata's in the video either, so what does that mean?
[Sarcasm]It means they either have cloaking devices that are challenging traditional western dominance in the field and will require more spending or they are placing poor malnourished conscripts in them and invading Ukraine because all their other tanks blow up when you sneeze on them, this is the only tank that does not do so because it is all copied from the western tanks.[/Sarcasm]
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magnumcromagnon wrote:Vympel wrote:magnumcromagnon wrote:
Looks like the claim that Boomerang wouldn't be ready come May 9 was nonsense issues aside.
There might be a grain of truth in that there are far fewer Bumerangs in that video than there are Kurganets.
There were no Armata's in the video either, so what does that mean?
The video probably simply stopped before the T-14s rolled out.
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Swedish Prime Minister to Skip Victory Day Celebrations in Moscow
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150405/1020511919.html#ixzz3WTeIawZw
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150405/1020511919.html#ixzz3WTeIawZw