Kurdish [PKK,YPG]–Turkish conflict

KoTeMoRe wrote: Things got a lot worse for all Super Cobras...Igla S has about 0 issues bringing them down.

were not Turks and Saudis first started talking about arming moderate terrorist with manpads? the started tasting own medicine then...cannot wait for Iglas for Houtis

Thing is, If Russia wants to fvck with Turkey, it can send stock Strela 3 or even Soviet Iglas. By the truckload...This whole 4K demo is really nasty. I really pity the pilots. Knew nothing, heard nothing, just dropped dead.

What version of Igla is that?

KoTeMoRe wrote:

zorobabel wrote:

calm wrote:4:13 helicopter hit.

Wow...

Things just got a lot worse for the Turks in the southeast.

Things got a lot worse for all Super Cobras...Igla S has about 0 issues bringing them down.

This is standard Igla (SAM-18), not Igla-S.

Poor pilots, as much as I still want revenge for them shooting our plane down it's sad to know they just ripped to pieces.

medo wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

zorobabel wrote:

calm wrote:4:13 helicopter hit.

Wow...

Things just got a lot worse for the Turks in the southeast.

Things got a lot worse for all Super Cobras...Igla S has about 0 issues bringing them down.

This is standard Igla (SAM-18), not Igla-S.

I know, I said that Igla S has no issues, if the SA-16 does this.

RIP to the pilots. Good work to the Kurds.

I imagine Turkey will be changing up its CAS regime for its rotary wing aircraft after seeing this. Not sure how much you can though when all you've got is a Cobra fleet that can apparently be nailed by stock Iglas.

OminousSpudd wrote:RIP to the pilots. Good work to the Kurds.

I imagine Turkey will be changing up its CAS regime for its rotary wing aircraft after seeing this. Not sure how much you can though when all you've got is a Cobra fleet that can apparently be nailed by stock Iglas.  

They don't have CAS aircraft. It will be set piece support like usual. Close contact is definitely out of the window...

KoTeMoRe wrote:

OminousSpudd wrote:RIP to the pilots. Good work to the Kurds.

I imagine Turkey will be changing up its CAS regime for its rotary wing aircraft after seeing this. Not sure how much you can though when all you've got is a Cobra fleet that can apparently be nailed by stock Iglas.  

They don't have CAS aircraft. It will be set piece support like usual. Close contact is definitely out of the window...

Heli gunships don't provide CAS?

OminousSpudd wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

OminousSpudd wrote:RIP to the pilots. Good work to the Kurds.

I imagine Turkey will be changing up its CAS regime for its rotary wing aircraft after seeing this. Not sure how much you can though when all you've got is a Cobra fleet that can apparently be nailed by stock Iglas.  

They don't have CAS aircraft. It will be set piece support like usual. Close contact is definitely out of the window...

Heli gunships don't provide CAS?

They do, but in the light of this "incident" the Super Cobras and the AH-1E's they got will sit it out. If the T-129 have a better protective suite, maybe they'll be sent to get blown to bits, but basically it will be back in the 90's for Tukey, flying those F-16 like there was no tomorrow. Which will limit the support that the Turkish AF would afford to its ground troops.

Eight Turkish military personnel have died in combat with Kurdish rebels and in a subsequent helicopter crash near the country's border with Iraq

A military helicopter sent to the area to support the soldiers later crashed, killing its two pilots, the military said, adding that the crash was due to a technical fault.

AP report

Yes, being shot down with Manpads is a result of Technical failure
Stupid MSM, im pretty sure if it was a Russian chopper the whole footage will be all over the page more than the ads

KoTeMoRe wrote:

OminousSpudd wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

OminousSpudd wrote:RIP to the pilots. Good work to the Kurds.

I imagine Turkey will be changing up its CAS regime for its rotary wing aircraft after seeing this. Not sure how much you can though when all you've got is a Cobra fleet that can apparently be nailed by stock Iglas.  

They don't have CAS aircraft. It will be set piece support like usual. Close contact is definitely out of the window...

Heli gunships don't provide CAS?

They do, but in the light of this "incident" the Super Cobras and the AH-1E's they got will sit it out. If the T-129 have a better protective suite, maybe they'll be sent to get blown to bits, but basically it will be back in the 90's for Tukey, flying those F-16 like there was no tomorrow. Which will limit the support that the Turkish AF would afford to its ground troops.

Ah, I see what you mean now.

Two gems came out recently:

Project Canada wrote:

Eight Turkish military personnel have died in combat with Kurdish rebels and in a subsequent helicopter crash near the country's border with Iraq

A military helicopter sent to the area to support the soldiers later crashed, killing its two pilots, the military said, adding that the crash was due to a technical fault.

AP report

Yes, being shot down with Manpads is a result of Technical failure
Stupid MSM, im pretty sure if it was a Russian chopper the whole footage will be all over the page more than the ads

Pretty standard for the Turkish government. The media even released a fake old video of a helicopter crashing.

It is indeed a super Cobra and the Kurds hit it after it had fired its BGM-71's on Kurdish positions...

http://lostarmour.info/turkey/item.php?id=11529

Also a new fast food chain is about to open in Erbil to compete with the recently unveiled Kentucky Fried Chicken (KFC) outlet. Sources say it will be named Kurdish Fried Turkey (KFT).

^^^ Did the PKK had those Igla capablity before? Or is it a recent addition?

Project Canada wrote:

Eight Turkish military personnel have died in combat with Kurdish rebels and in a subsequent helicopter crash near the country's border with Iraq

A military helicopter sent to the area to support the soldiers later crashed, killing its two pilots, the military said, adding that the crash was due to a technical fault.

AP report

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Yes, being shot down with Manpads is a result of Technical failure
Stupid MSM, im pretty sure if it was a Russian chopper the whole footage will be all over the page more than the ads

How dare you question the MSM like the AP?
Loosing the tail is definitely a technical failure, the cause of which vary.
They all learn such stuff from their murican masters who have a trackrecord of cashes in an operational theatre due to technical failures.

VladimirSahin wrote:Poor pilots, as much as I still want revenge for them shooting our plane down it's sad to know they just ripped to pieces.

It is not sad to see them the Turks ripped to pieces, these asshole Turkes supported crimes against Syria and now they are getting a taste of thier own medicine.

Attack on Turkish post

12 dead. They lost one guy due to CAS action. Some one took care that CAS wouldn't be a problem.

I hope Russia/Iran share with Kurds intel where manpads/agtms for "moderates" are stored... then what Turks can say? what came weapons from

i think its time to secretly arm the Kurds with old stock Sa-7, Sa-14, Sa,16, and some AT-4, AT-5, and see how the turks like it, i have no sympathy for the pilots.

d_taddei2 wrote:i think its time to secretly arm the Kurds with old stock Sa-7, Sa-14, Sa,16, and some AT-4, AT-5, and see how the turks like it, i have no sympathy for the pilots.

Even at the height of the tensions between Kurds and Turks, they were never given more than a few samples. All appearances of Strela/Igla have always been statements. Don't go that way or we'll shut your sky off. I don't think thus that MORE Iglas would go their way. ATGM's is a whole other deal. But what they need above all is ammo and coms.

calm wrote:

oops looks like a bit more explosives then this MRAP was designed for

unfortunately not the whole convoy. i wonder if 9M14 Malyutka would be enough agile to hit MRAP in motion?

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

calm wrote:

oops looks like a bit more explosives then this MRAP was designed for

unfortunately not the whole convoy. i wonder if 9M14 Malyutka would be enough agile to hit MRAP in motion?

If my Turkish hasn't rusted up, it says 5 soldiers dead and 8 wounded from the MRAP.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

calm wrote:

oops looks like a bit more explosives then this MRAP was designed for

unfortunately not the whole convoy. i wonder if 9M14 Malyutka would be enough agile to hit MRAP in motion?

Armored cell took it well, but it allegedly still killed 5 guys inside and wounded seriously all the rest, 4 in life threatening conditions.