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Kurdish [PKK,YPG]–Turkish conflict
AlfaT8- Posts : 2488
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eehnie- Posts : 2425
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The Ottoman wrote:eehnie wrote:The paradise of "East Turkey" under Erdogan:
https://www.google.com/search?q=kurd+city+destroyed&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=662&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwib8JbAlPHQAhVBiRoKHSapDBYQ_AUIBigB
Non -argument
I can also post pictures of Aleppo, Idlib, Raqqa and say ''The Paradise of Syria under Assad''
There are PKK-terrorists hiding in cities between the local people in East-Turkey who must be destroyed, like the jihadists from Al Nusra and ISIS hiding between Syrian civillians.
Erdogan's crackdown on PKK-terrorists is just so legimate as the Russian/Syrian crackdown at jihadists.
This is why you support the Syrian Jihadists? This why you send Turks to Syria dressed up of "Syrian Turkmens"? This is why your soldiers are officially mixed with the Jihadists around Al Bab?You and Saudi Arabia are between the biggest responsibles of the destruction in Syria.
The images of the link are enough argument to see your propaganda is false.
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The Ottoman wrote:KiloGolf wrote:
Erdogan tried and failed to buy off the Kurds. He failed and now he invaded them. Concerning Turkey before and after 2002, that was and is the case in most rural areas all over the country East is no exception. The increasing population is way ahead of any effort to modernize infrastructure, even right now.
Erdogan gave the Kurdish people in the East more than every Turkish leader before him.
The facts and the investments proof that.
And the Kurdish people gave him their vote.
The PKK saw this and started their bloody war again.
The PKK is not the chairman of the Kurdish people, like Al Nusra or ISIS are not the represantives of the Syrian people.
The PKK is a terrorist organisation funded by foreighn powers like Germany, France, Israel, George Soros and the Clinton Foundation
The Great-Israel project from the Nile till the Euphrates includes a ''Free Kurdistan'' at the Turkish/Syrian-borders.
Putin nows this and allowed Erdogan to start his Operation Euphrates Shield, because a ''Free Kurdistan'' will not only cut Turkey, but also Syria in pieces.
And Aliens, Aliens are also funding them.
The Ottoman- Posts : 287
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AlfaT8 wrote:Lot of disturbing sh#t on this thread, where are the moderators?
Great-Israel project is called The Yinon-plan = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yinon_Plan
A ''free Kurdistan'' is part of this project, like a divided Syria, Iraq and Turkey.
Thats the reason why the US and EU are supporting Kurdish ''freedomfighters''
So Turkey is in her right to smash down these terrorists.
eehnie- Posts : 2425
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Turkey and Israel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Turkey_relations#Reconciliation_agreement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Turkey_relations#Reconciliation_agreement
The Ottoman- Posts : 287
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eehnie wrote:Turkey and Israel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Turkey_relations#Reconciliation_agreement
So?
Iran will buy 80 planes from Boeing, an American company.
Dont compare economics with long-term global strategy.
KiloGolf- Posts : 2481
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The Ottoman wrote:Thats the reason why the US and EU are supporting Kurdish ''freedomfighters''
So Turkey is in her right to smash down these terrorists.
Turkey only exists in your mind as a mono-ethnic state with one dominant culture. It is not. One in three citizens of the country are non-Tukish Kurds and the rest are mixed, so by wagging that particular war it means wagging a war against yourselves. Smashing them down will end Turkey as we and you know it.
The Ottoman- Posts : 287
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KiloGolf wrote:The Ottoman wrote:Thats the reason why the US and EU are supporting Kurdish ''freedomfighters''
So Turkey is in her right to smash down these terrorists.
Turkey only exists in your mind as a mono-ethnic state with one dominant culture. It is not. One in three citizens of the country are non-Tukish Kurds and the rest are mixed, so by wagging that particular war it means wagging a war against yourselves. Smashing them down will end Turkey as we and you know it.
I m also Kurdish.
Turkish Army is fighting PKK-terrorists, not the Kurds itself.
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The Ottoman wrote:KiloGolf wrote:The Ottoman wrote:Thats the reason why the US and EU are supporting Kurdish ''freedomfighters''
So Turkey is in her right to smash down these terrorists.
Turkey only exists in your mind as a mono-ethnic state with one dominant culture. It is not. One in three citizens of the country are non-Tukish Kurds and the rest are mixed, so by wagging that particular war it means wagging a war against yourselves. Smashing them down will end Turkey as we and you know it.
I m also Kurdish.
Turkish Army is fighting PKK-terrorists, not the Kurds itself.
No, you are not.
KiloGolf- Posts : 2481
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The Ottoman wrote:KiloGolf wrote:The Ottoman wrote:Thats the reason why the US and EU are supporting Kurdish ''freedomfighters''
So Turkey is in her right to smash down these terrorists.
Turkey only exists in your mind as a mono-ethnic state with one dominant culture. It is not. One in three citizens of the country are non-Tukish Kurds and the rest are mixed, so by wagging that particular war it means wagging a war against yourselves. Smashing them down will end Turkey as we and you know it.
I m also Kurdish.
Turkish Army is fighting PKK-terrorists, not the Kurds itself.
Good luck with that.
I guess we will have to deal with more defectors and ''boat people'' from Turkey in the future.
zorobabel- Posts : 707
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Younger Turks will learn just like older Turks that thumping on your chest and talking tough won't make the PKK and Kurdish nationalism go away. 38 years of perpetual warfare has proven that.KiloGolf wrote:The Ottoman wrote:KiloGolf wrote:The Ottoman wrote:Thats the reason why the US and EU are supporting Kurdish ''freedomfighters''
So Turkey is in her right to smash down these terrorists.
Turkey only exists in your mind as a mono-ethnic state with one dominant culture. It is not. One in three citizens of the country are non-Tukish Kurds and the rest are mixed, so by wagging that particular war it means wagging a war against yourselves. Smashing them down will end Turkey as we and you know it.
I m also Kurdish.
Turkish Army is fighting PKK-terrorists, not the Kurds itself.
Good luck with that.
I guess we will have to deal with more defectors and ''boat people'' from Turkey in the future.
VladimirSahin- Posts : 408
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Guys let's be fair here. PKK is a terrorist group and the Turks are fighting them. However we can argue against the Turks on one thing, and that's that they have been using heavy hands in "anti-terror" operations. Unfairness has been done by the Turkish government however in order for them to keep constitutional order they do what they have too. However, this does not mean the Turks are angels. They've been supporting terrorism in Syria since the day it started. And many other bad things we can argue against them.
They do come off hypocritical because what they do to the cities is not much different than what the Syrian towns look like. Of course you'll see them crying for human rights, and that Assad is a demon lol... What can you say.
They do come off hypocritical because what they do to the cities is not much different than what the Syrian towns look like. Of course you'll see them crying for human rights, and that Assad is a demon lol... What can you say.
eehnie- Posts : 2425
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VladimirSahin wrote:Guys let's be fair here. PKK is a terrorist group and the Turks are fighting them. However we can argue against the Turks on one thing, and that's that they have been using heavy hands in "anti-terror" operations. Unfairness has been done by the Turkish government however in order for them to keep constitutional order they do what they have too. However, this does not mean the Turks are angels. They've been supporting terrorism in Syria since the day it started. And many other bad things we can argue against them.
They do come off hypocritical because what they do to the cities is not much different than what the Syrian towns look like. Of course you'll see them crying for human rights, and that Assad is a demon lol... What can you say.
To be fair I see not the PKK here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20140502021516/http://nac.gov.ru/page/4570.html
Also this is a reality:
https://www.google.com/search?q=kurd+city+destroyed&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=662&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwib8JbAlPHQAhVBiRoKHSapDBYQ_AUIBigB&gws_rd=cr&ei=XBxRWOK3EMTTUYPEn7gH
KiloGolf- Posts : 2481
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VladimirSahin wrote:Guys let's be fair here. PKK is a terrorist group and the Turks are fighting them.
Imagine Russia clinging onto places like the non-Russian areas of the Baltics, post 1992. The non-Russians there would most definitely go all ape on their overlords (read PKK since the 80s). In fact the Balts kinda did when they got the chance, they were snipping MVD and Police for a while. Homegrown insurgencies by large local minorities tend to resort to terror. It's a sad, deplorable reality. But as much we all strongly condemn it, people still do it.
zorobabel- Posts : 707
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The PKK is not designated a terrorist group by Russia -- only by Turkey's NATO allies and those in the NATO sphere, as far as I know.VladimirSahin wrote:Guys let's be fair here. PKK is a terrorist group and the Turks are fighting them. However we can argue against the Turks on one thing, and that's that they have been using heavy hands in "anti-terror" operations. Unfairness has been done by the Turkish government however in order for them to keep constitutional order they do what they have too. However, this does not mean the Turks are angels. They've been supporting terrorism in Syria since the day it started. And many other bad things we can argue against them.
They do come off hypocritical because what they do to the cities is not much different than what the Syrian towns look like. Of course you'll see them crying for human rights, and that Assad is a demon lol... What can you say.
I have never and will never defend tactics utilized by the PKK and TAK. But let's not pretend that this is a battle of good (Turks) vs evil (the PKK). This is a slow moving train wreck that is potentially headed for a very gruesome outcome.
zorobabel- Posts : 707
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Car bomb attack today in the city of Kayseri -- at least 13 dead and 55 wounded, "almost all of them soldiers" according to Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-blast-erdogan-idUSKBN1460BP
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par far- Posts : 3496
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zorobabel wrote:Car bomb attack today in the city of Kayseri -- at least 13 dead and 55 wounded, "almost all of them soldiers" according to Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-blast-erdogan-idUSKBN1460BP
It is all Erdogan's fault that this is happening and now the west has turned on Erdogan.
zorobabel- Posts : 707
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Here's a dashcam video of the attack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVDp-_5qMqM
par far- Posts : 3496
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zorobabel wrote:Here's a dashcam video of the attack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVDp-_5qMqM
One thing you have to hand it to the Kurds, they try their best, not to target civilians(most the people on that bus were soldiers, according to reports.)
The Ottoman- Posts : 287
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The PKK is a terrorist organisation targeting women, children, policemen and soldiers.
Even local Kurdish people as me are standing up against them.
The PKK is NOT our representative, like Al-Nusra and Daesh are not the representatives of the Syrian people.
We Kurds dont want the PKK and when the PKK lost the Kurdish voice, they fall like flies.
The PKK is crushed, in the cities, in the mountains, more and more rats are killed.
Turkish Army, police, special forces and gendarmery are full active.
Almost 9.500 PKK-rats were killed since the crackdown. Their end is near. The wolf is home again. No place for towellheads or men in dress.
I have deleted all the images. As mentioned below there is a forum rule about posting objectionable images on this forum which you have now broken in two parts of this forum
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Even local Kurdish people as me are standing up against them.
The PKK is NOT our representative, like Al-Nusra and Daesh are not the representatives of the Syrian people.
We Kurds dont want the PKK and when the PKK lost the Kurdish voice, they fall like flies.
The PKK is crushed, in the cities, in the mountains, more and more rats are killed.
Turkish Army, police, special forces and gendarmery are full active.
Almost 9.500 PKK-rats were killed since the crackdown. Their end is near. The wolf is home again. No place for towellheads or men in dress.
I have deleted all the images. As mentioned below there is a forum rule about posting objectionable images on this forum which you have now broken in two parts of this forum
GarryB
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The Ottoman wrote:The PKK is a terrorist organisation targeting women, children, policemen and soldiers.
Even local Kurdish people as me are standing up against them.
The PKK is NOT our representative, like Al-Nusra and Daesh are not the representatives of the Syrian people.
We Kurds dont want the PKK and when the PKK lost the Kurdish voice, they fall like flies.
The PKK is crushed, in the cities, in the mountains, more and more rats are killed.
Turkish Army, police, special forces and gendarmery are full active.
Almost 9.500 PKK-rats were killed since the crackdown. Their end is near. The wolf is home again. No place for towellheads or men in dress.
Stop claiming you are Kurdish, as you are not we already determined that.
As second you are breaking forum rules by posting gore like this, photos with sensitive content need to be posted in form of link. Fix it.
AlfaT8- Posts : 2488
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About time.
KiloGolf- Posts : 2481
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I've noticed many Turks proudly posting photos of dismembered corpses and so on in various international fora.
I guess even in the 21st century these folks have a long way to go.
I guess even in the 21st century these folks have a long way to go.
KoTeMoRe- Posts : 4212
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KiloGolf wrote:I've noticed many Turks proudly posting photos of dismembered corpses and so on in various international fora.
I guess even in the 21st century these folks have a long way to go.
To be honest, it is pretty normal to try and expose losses in this context. Turks and Kurds have a long history of desecration, especially since Kurds have women militias. I am not saying it is OK, just that Turks and Kurds have done this since the dawn of time.
Personally it's of poor taste and does nothing but inflaming the conflict.
eehnie- Posts : 2425
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This is one of the main reasons that make think many people in Europe that the Turks have a different culture.