Kurdish [PKK,YPG]–Turkish conflict

Airman wrote:Kurds in Turkey have the same rights as Turks.

Airman wrote:We can not open private schools for every race in Turkey. More than 10 races live in Turkey, with the majority being Turks. If you come to Turkey you can see people speaking Kurdish, Arabic or even many languages which you do not know. Peoples' Democratic Party(HDP) has a connection with the PKK. If you search for Selahattin Demirtaş PKK(He is Chairman of the Party) in Google you can see that he is photographing with PKK Flags and Apo pictures. Here we are talking about the PKK which is defined as a terrorist group by Turkey and many other countries. This organization has been attacking our soldiers and citizens of this country since 1978. Just because of this, many people had to leave their villages.

Militarov wrote:

Airman wrote:We can not open private schools for every race in Turkey. More than 10 races live in Turkey, with the majority being Turks. If you come to Turkey you can see people speaking Kurdish, Arabic or even many languages which you do not know. Peoples' Democratic Party(HDP) has a connection with the PKK. If you search for Selahattin Demirtaş PKK(He is Chairman of the Party) in Google you can see that he is photographing with PKK Flags and Apo pictures. Here we are talking about the PKK which is defined as a terrorist group by Turkey and many other countries. This organization has been attacking our soldiers and citizens of this country since 1978. Just because of this, many people had to leave their villages.

"Kurds in Turkey have the same rights as Turks." - Go away Turk.

Changed local names with an Armenian origin

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Total map of changed local names ordered by percentage

Numbers for each province and with percentage for each province

Center of Kurdish town #Nusaybin completely razed to the ground by Turks. Before/after satellite images.

Large city blocks gone in war-crippled Nusaybin in SE #Turkey as seen from space, Feb '17 vs Jul '15

AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:This is not more than what Russians did to Grozny.

Turks cant compete with Russians in razing cities, c'mon.

AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:This is not more than what Russians did to Grozny.

Turks cant compete with Russians in razing cities, c'mon.

Militarov wrote:

Airman wrote:Kurds in Turkey have the same rights as Turks.

- "In Turkey, the only language of instruction in the education system is Turkish; Kurdish is not allowed as primary language in the education."

- "Kurdish is permitted as a subject in universities, but in reality there are only few pioneer courses."

- "The Turkish Constitution bans the formation of political parties on an ethnic basis. Several Kurdish political parties have been shut down by the Turkish Constitutional Court under excuse of supporting the PKK."

- "The most frequent legal justification for arrests of Kurds are Articles 141 and 142 of the Turkish penal code that "protect the economic institutions and social foundations of the nation" and prescribe 5-15 years imprisonment for those "seeking to destroy the political and legal order of the state."

ATLASCUB wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Airman wrote:Kurds in Turkey have the same rights as Turks.

- "In Turkey, the only language of instruction in the education system is Turkish; Kurdish is not allowed as primary language in the education."

- "Kurdish is permitted as a subject in universities, but in reality there are only few pioneer courses."

- "The Turkish Constitution bans the formation of political parties on an ethnic basis. Several Kurdish political parties have been shut down by the Turkish Constitutional Court under excuse of supporting the PKK."

- "The most frequent legal justification for arrests of Kurds are Articles 141 and 142 of the Turkish penal code that "protect the economic institutions and social foundations of the nation" and prescribe 5-15 years imprisonment for those "seeking to destroy the political and legal order of the state."

What's wrong with any of those? Any state that does not seek to protect and cultivate a single, unified NATIONAL IDENTITY will, sooner or later, collapse.

1. Millions of Latinos in the U.S. English is the official language of instruction - not Spanish, nor German, nor Italian, nor an African dialect. "Assimilate".

2. Latin American/African studies are not specialties instructed K-12. Only in Universities and chances are you'll be throwing your money away on a worthless degree.

3. Pretty reasonable to avoid the fracturing of society along ethnic lines - although these people treat themselves as a different race altogether. If you're not inclusive and open of the population at large then what interest are you even representing? A unified national identity is how you keep a country from splitting into a million pieces.

4. The last one being iffy but all states engage in this in one form or another. Meaning "threats" that "seek to destroy the political and legal order of the state". Need look no further than McCartheism.

The other two (protest crackdown/doctor-worship) at face value does look like discrimination - of which I'm sure there are countless cases but lets not go overboard on things that are common sense.

eehnie wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Airman wrote:Kurds in Turkey have the same rights as Turks.

- "In Turkey, the only language of instruction in the education system is Turkish; Kurdish is not allowed as primary language in the education."

- "Kurdish is permitted as a subject in universities, but in reality there are only few pioneer courses."

- "The Turkish Constitution bans the formation of political parties on an ethnic basis. Several Kurdish political parties have been shut down by the Turkish Constitutional Court under excuse of supporting the PKK."

- "The most frequent legal justification for arrests of Kurds are Articles 141 and 142 of the Turkish penal code that "protect the economic institutions and social foundations of the nation" and prescribe 5-15 years imprisonment for those "seeking to destroy the political and legal order of the state."

What's wrong with any of those? Any state that does not seek to protect and cultivate a single, unified NATIONAL IDENTITY will, sooner or later, collapse.

1. Millions of Latinos in the U.S. English is the official language of instruction - not Spanish, nor German, nor Italian, nor an African dialect. "Assimilate".

2. Latin American/African studies are not specialties instructed K-12. Only in Universities and chances are you'll be throwing your money away on a worthless degree.

3. Pretty reasonable to avoid the fracturing of society along ethnic lines - although these people treat themselves as a different race altogether. If you're not inclusive and open of the population at large then what interest are you even representing? A unified national identity is how you keep a country from splitting into a million pieces.

4. The last one being iffy but all states engage in this in one form or another. Meaning "threats" that "seek to destroy the political and legal order of the state". Need look no further than McCartheism.

The other two (protest crackdown/doctor-worship) at face value does look like discrimination - of which I'm sure there are countless cases but lets not go overboard on things that are common sense.

There is a big difference between the US and Turkey today.

The US is doing it with inmigrant population, while Turkey is doing it with population that is local.

If you want to compare what Turkey is doing with the US, better if you take the example of the indigenous population of the US (Sioux,...). Then you would be comparing right.

ATLASCUB wrote:

eehnie wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Airman wrote:Kurds in Turkey have the same rights as Turks.

- "In Turkey, the only language of instruction in the education system is Turkish; Kurdish is not allowed as primary language in the education."

- "Kurdish is permitted as a subject in universities, but in reality there are only few pioneer courses."

- "The Turkish Constitution bans the formation of political parties on an ethnic basis. Several Kurdish political parties have been shut down by the Turkish Constitutional Court under excuse of supporting the PKK."

- "The most frequent legal justification for arrests of Kurds are Articles 141 and 142 of the Turkish penal code that "protect the economic institutions and social foundations of the nation" and prescribe 5-15 years imprisonment for those "seeking to destroy the political and legal order of the state."

What's wrong with any of those? Any state that does not seek to protect and cultivate a single, unified NATIONAL IDENTITY will, sooner or later, collapse.

1. Millions of Latinos in the U.S. English is the official language of instruction - not Spanish, nor German, nor Italian, nor an African dialect. "Assimilate".

2. Latin American/African studies are not specialties instructed K-12. Only in Universities and chances are you'll be throwing your money away on a worthless degree.

3. Pretty reasonable to avoid the fracturing of society along ethnic lines - although these people treat themselves as a different race altogether. If you're not inclusive and open of the population at large then what interest are you even representing? A unified national identity is how you keep a country from splitting into a million pieces.

4. The last one being iffy but all states engage in this in one form or another. Meaning "threats" that "seek to destroy the political and legal order of the state". Need look no further than McCartheism.

The other two (protest crackdown/doctor-worship) at face value does look like discrimination - of which I'm sure there are countless cases but lets not go overboard on things that are common sense.

There is a big difference between the US and Turkey today.

The US is doing it with inmigrant population, while Turkey is doing it with population that is local.

If you want to compare what Turkey is doing with the US, better if you take the example of the indigenous population of the US (Sioux,...). Then you would be comparing right.

Not really, since those were pretty much exterminated - today we call that ethnic cleansing. It's more akin to blacks in America.

“Kurdish independence is on a trajectory,” wherein it’s not a question of whether the Kurds will form an independent state, but a question of how soon, Defense Intelligence Agency Director Gen. Vincent Stewart told lawmakers on Tuesday.

George1 wrote:

“Kurdish independence is on a trajectory,” wherein it’s not a question of whether the Kurds will form an independent state, but a question of how soon, Defense Intelligence Agency Director Gen. Vincent Stewart told lawmakers on Tuesday.

https://sputniknews.com/military/201705241053916033-us-intelligence-kurdish-independence-inevitable/

According to the publication "Syria: les bérets verts kurdes" in the French bulletin of the TTU, despite claims of the Pentagon, the Kurdish militia of the People's Self-Defense Forces (YPG) in Syria, with the support of 900 American advisers, finally got a piece of arming and equipment from the "arsenal of ninjas", which is used by members of the special operations forces of the United States. As part of the YPG will be a special unit to combat terrorism, known as YAT ("Yekineyen Anti-Terror"), which has several hundred people.

As it seems to the Kurdish militia, the YPG is given special attention, as armaments are supplied to their armament, which was previously used exclusively by NATO countries. In fact, Article 50 of the American law on the actions of the CIA or the Joint Command of Special Operations of the US Army allows you to bypass the decisions of the Minister of Defense or Congress in the interests of national security.

The first violations of the regime of secrecy took place when in the social network "Twitter" there were photos made in March 2017 during the battle for the city of Tabka, located west of Rakki. YAT fighters were dressed in the "digital" camouflage of American Marines, light Ops-Core helmets, equipped with personal protective equipment. The cost of equipping one soldier was estimated at $ 8,000, and it allowed you to communicate with each other and fight against "IG" during night operations.

Thus, the equipment included night vision goggles AN/PVS 7b of the latest generation, as well as a modified automatic M4 rifle equipped with a polymer magazine, an EOTech collimator sight, an AN/PEQ-2 laser target designation and a Surefire flashlight.

Because of the difficulties in the relationship between the YPG and the Kurdistan Workers' Party, many analysts raise the question that the equipment of the US special forces can get to the Kurdish organization of the PKK. What did not happen after the fall of Rakka or in response to the Turkish offensive on the Syrian-Iraqi border to protect the Kirkuk-Sheikhan oil pipeline. This is a strategic oil pipeline for Turkey, as well as for Azerbaijan. The pipeline runs through the suburbs of Mosul, but also through the Sunni city of Tal Afar in Iraq, which is still held by the IG, and the struggle for it is between Ankara and the Kurds.