Indian Air Force (IAF): News

miketheterrible wrote:There is an advantage having the 100 km additional range even if you can't strike them that far.  N001VEP is outdated and outgunned. Hence why Su-30SM used Bars R due to its clear advantage of being able to see upwards to 250km for a fighter sized target.  150km isn't suitable for such a large jet anymore.

Bars M is apparently not far off either. Maybe 200km range for a fighter sized target.  These are something former user TR1 pointed out and had Russian article and screenshots of from years ago.

Best option now is to provide Irbis radar for it or a more advanced pero radar.

N001VEP is outdated, but still useful as it is multirole with air to air, air to ground and air to sea modes. Russia use this radar on Su-27SM/SM3 and Su-30M2. Su-27SM3 worked just fine in Syria and they are still very capable fighter-bombers.

Pero is not a radar, but PESA radar antenna for N001VEP radar offered as option.

I'm sure Russia could improve Bars-M radar, but there is a question, if they could improve indiam ones, which are infected by foreign components. Algerian and Malaysian ones are far less infected.

Improved bars-r is the irbis. I don't think anyone will buy older and less capable radars over the top radars they produce.

I was just shoked by the price of the MK2 for Vietnam which gives almost same capabilities as a 75 milllion MKI

Adding pero to N001VEP and upgrading the signal processor, they could probably squeeze more performance out of it and get it close to Bars R radar for lot less price.

I would think replacing all the old electronic components with more modern components on its own could improve the performance of any radar... the first Zaslon radar had fairly modest performance for its size because the electronic scanning and wide field of view meant it had an enormous view volume and its limited processors could not handle that sort of volume of data.

Simply replacing the old processors with new more powerful chips dramatically improved performance while also allowing the replacement of single use chips like those in a calculator with proper CPUs as used in computers... which meant upgrades and new features could be added simply with software updates rather than physical changes and hardware changes.

These Su-30s would be relatively cheap to buy but over the life of the aircraft operational costs wont be cheap, but its size offers potential for upgrades...

GarryB wrote:These Su-30s would be relatively cheap to buy but over the life of the aircraft operational costs wont be cheap, but its size offers potential for upgrades...

IAF officials were of the opinion that Su 30MKI upgraded to Super Sukhoi will make them at par with Chinese Su 35 if not Russian Su 35. However, the price of upgrade is stated to be around US$ 10 billion.

Lack of proper planning means India's MoD doesn't have that kind of money, so they are hedging their bets on 12 new Su 30MKI and 20 mothballed Mig 29/ Mig 29 UPG.

I don't think we are talking quality here, but numbers... upgrading their Su-30MKIs further wont make up for the retiring MiG-21s and other fighters...

Indian Defense Ministry approves purchase of NTT-40 trainer aircraft

The Defense Acquisition Council (DAC) of the Ministry of Defense of India, at a meeting on August 11, 2020, chaired by Defense Minister Rajanat Singh, approved the purchase of 70 turboprop trainer aircraft (with an option for another 36) NTT-40 development and production for the Indian Air Force Indian state aircraft building association Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

The first prototype of the Indian turboprop trainer aircraft HAL NTT-40 (TSR001) (c) HAL


The second prototype of the Indian turboprop trainer aircraft HAL NTT-40 (TSR002), September 2019 (c) Tarmak007


https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4114222.html

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/indian-air-force-formally-inducts-first-five-rafale-fighter-aircraft

India test fired the 160kms range Rudram-1 NG-ARM. The sensor package comprised a wide-band passive seeker, with a W-band millimetric-wave active seeker.

https://eurasiantimes.com/russia-shows-how-indian-air-force-can-use-its-transport-aircraft-il-76-for-carpet-bombing-watch/

Tsavo Lion wrote:https://eurasiantimes.com/russia-shows-how-indian-air-force-can-use-its-transport-aircraft-il-76-for-carpet-bombing-watch/

Any manpad or AD or long range air to air missile will easily destroy this plane.

They should have bought the production line of the tu-22 back in the time and improved it over the years. They would have had right now a bomber similar to tu-22M3 of Russian air force.

USSR was selling it like little breads. They wouldn't have opposed the sell.

And it would have been a perfect carrier for Brahmos.

Any manpad or AD or long range air to air missile will easily destroy this plane.

they have flares for that & can be escorted.

They should have bought the production line of the tu-22 back in the time and improved it over the years. 

Only earlier Tu-22 Blinders were sold abroad, & they weren't liked by Soviet pilots. India had/s many other planes & tankers for tactical strikes.

they have flares for that & can be escorted.

Flares won't do anything. It's a huge plane.

Only earlier Tu-22 Blinders were sold abroad, & they weren't liked by Soviet pilots. India had/s many other planes & tankers for tactical strikes.

Yes I'm talking about the blinder.

That's because it was hard to fly. Modern fly by wire would have made it a very good aircraft.

Tu-22 would give them a strategic strike option like tu-160 for Russia. China and Pakistan are close to them so they don't need a tu-160.

IMO they could still ask for the plans and make their own production line. Russians still have it and could help them.
Their tactical strike aircraft also sucks. A bunch of old Jaguar and only 20 or mki carrying only one brahmos. And the mirage that carry israeli shitty bombs.

They had ASW Tu-142s that could be modified & used as strategic bombers for le$$, but didn't bother to do it. Setting up Tu-22 production would cost as much as dozens of new Su-30 fighter-bombers; besides, those Tu-22s would need to be escorted & mid-air refueled.
Their IL-76/C-130J/17s can stay out of enemy AD & launch dozens of LR CMs.

Any manpad or AD or long range air to air missile will easily destroy this plane.

They should have bought the production line of the tu-22 back in the time and improved it over the years. They would have had right now a bomber similar to tu-22M3 of Russian air force.

USSR was selling it like little breads. They wouldn't have opposed the sell.

And it would have been a perfect carrier for Brahmos.

In terms of shooting down there is not a huge gap between an Il-76 and a Tu-22... the first problem would be they likely don't have any Tu-22s to sell, and regarding Tu-22M3s they probably want to keep those and upgrade them for themselves too.

The Virtue of the Il-76 is its capacity for bombs and lowish operating costs and availability.

With the Candid they can use it for transport or fire fighting or inflight refuelling or a bomber within a couple of hours.

Their IL-76/C-130J/17s can stay out of enemy AD & launch dozens of LR CMs.

With regard to engaging enemy positions, they are available and cheap.

India already operates the Kh-58. Now, India is making itself its very own Kh-58 with a much longer range. Primary target is Pakistani radars but Rudra - M3 can actually snipe Chinese HQ-9, S-400 class Early Warning and Fire Control radars from a distance.

Sujoy wrote:India already operates the Kh-58. Now, India is making itself its very own Kh-58 with a much longer range. Primary target is Pakistani radars but  Rudra - M3 can actually snipe Chinese HQ-9, S-400 class Early Warning and Fire Control radars from a distance.

P-500 Bazalt designed from the early 1960's had a active-radar head with home-on-jam ability, and it's range was 550km. It's deepest modernization, P-1000 Vulkan had a range of 700km, and was further modified to hit at 1000km.

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Migrants who are of the opinion that air to ground missiles and ship launched cruise missiles are exactly the same thing.

magnumcromagnon wrote: P-500 Bazalt designed from the early 1960's had a active-radar head with home-on-jam ability, and it's range was 550km. It's deepest modernization, P-1000 Vulkan had a range of 700km, and was further modified to hit at 1000km.

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Migrants who are of the opinion that air to ground missiles and ship launched cruise missiles are exactly the same thing.

magnumcromagnon wrote: P-500 Bazalt designed from the early 1960's had a active-radar head with home-on-jam ability, and it's range was 550km. It's deepest modernization, P-1000 Vulkan had a range of 700km, and was further modified to hit at 1000km.

It was in reference to anti-radiation capability Mr. Extra Chromosone. BTW your a Prima Faci example why America desperately needs to import scientists and engineers from India and China, Russia doesn't btw lol!

magnumcromagnon wrote: It was in reference to anti-radiation capability Mr. Extra Chromosone.

Yeah right! Since air launched anti radiation do not exist so reference point is cruise missile.

magnumcromagnon wrote:BTW your a Prima Faci example why America desperately needs to import scientists and engineers from India and China, Russia doesn't btw lol!

They come here uninvited in any case. We don't need to import them. Do share your findings with the 2 million strong Russian population here...seems they didn't get the memo.

Sujoy wrote:India already operates the Kh-58. Now, India is making itself its very own Kh-58 with a much longer range. Primary target is Pakistani radars but  Rudra - M3 can actually snipe Chinese HQ-9, S-400 class Early Warning and Fire Control radars from a distance.

Congrats! On India remaking 70s era technology.

Chinese S-400, HQ-9 will be protected by several masking, camouflaging systems not to mention anti aircraft guns. Good luck hitting them from 500 kms away. Given that your best shot till date was from 50 kms away and that too on your own helo.

Sujoy wrote:India already operates the Kh-58. Now, India is making itself its very own Kh-58 with a much longer range. Primary target is Pakistani radars but  Rudra - M3 can actually snipe Chinese HQ-9, S-400 class Early Warning and Fire Control radars from a distance.

Kh-58 missile have weight of 650 kg and range up to 250 km (depend on version). This missile with 1,6 tons is in class of cruise missiles, so i don't think it is version of Kh-58.

Since air launched anti radiation do not exist so reference point is cruise missile.

It does exist & can be launched by India's Su-30s: Kh-58
Anti-radiation missile Kh-58UShKE

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/india-test-fires-rudram-1-its-first-anti-radiation-missile-to-take-down-enemy-radars/story-SYP6qWQOXmZrK7ViSPG54K.html

India test fire Rudram antiradar missile in Oktober 2020. Missile have weight of 600 kg and max range to 250 km. Max speed is up to mach 2. It is still in process of testing, not in armament.

RTN wrote:Yeah right! Since air launched anti radiation do not exist so reference point is cruise missile.

The product of Uncle Sham's turd burglar education with pathetic levels of reading comprehension to boot, we should start a gofundme to get Mr. Extra Chromosome Hooked on Phonics lol! Sujoy was literally talking about Kh-58 you blind festering twat, your mother should be given several life sentences for not swallowing you, and your father should be getting the electric chair for not nutting you in a wad of toilet paper and flushing your ass down the toilet lol!  

RTN wrote:They come here uninvited in any case. We don't need to import them. Do share your findings with the 2 million strong Russian population here...seems they didn't get the memo.

Uncle Sham's universities literally beg Indian and Chinese students on their knees to join their engineering courses, because domestic turd burglar education has American citizens dropping like flies struggling in engineering 101 classes lol! I know it's a hard pill for you to swallow for a emotional lesbian such as yourself, but it sounds like your getting estrogen injections already, all you need now is your scheduled appointment with your doctor to give you a banana split with a cherry on top!