The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

Сводки от ополчения Новороссии
06.05.15. Заметка от Александра Роджерса.

"Украина признала гибель минимум 38 688 военнослужащих ВСУ. Опубликованные на Украине косвенные данные позволяют определить реальную численность погибших со стороны карательной группировки хунты с момента начала т.н. АТО. Киевский режим в своём вранье, как обычно, прокалывается в мелочах.
Expand text.. Впрочем, обо всём по порядку… Режим активно занимается дезинформацией населения и мировой общественности, а также пропагандистским промыванием мозгов. Для этого он создаёт достаточно много «источников информационного шума» в виде различных «экспертных сообществ», «научных институтов» и «патриотических организаций».

Вот и недавно им был создан ресурс «Словом и делом», призванный как выдавать нужную режиму информацию (вернее сказать, дезинформацию), так и собирать средства для «допомоги нашим хлопцям в АТО», выдуривая их у населения.

Этим ресурсом была опубликована инфографика, косвенно раскрывающая реальные цифры потерь карательной группировки с начала боевых действий.

Как видим, диаграмма показывает численность погибших украинских силовиков на миллион населения в разрезе по областям. Проведя несложные математические вычисления (сложив циферки в столбик), получаем, что на миллион украинцев погибло 905,5 человек. Из графика видно, что за основу взято всё население Украины, включая Крым и Донбасс. Но мы, так и быть, возьмём официальные данные Укрстата в 42,726 миллиона человек.

Перемножим эти две цифры 905,5 и 42,726 и получим численность погибших, которая была взята за основу для составления графика — это 38.688 человек (плюс-минус несколько человек в погрешностях вычисления).

Для сравнения, официально признанные Генштабом Украины цифры потерь — 1541 человек.

При этом в интернете ходят фотографии номерных могил неопознанных бойцов с номерами в 6 или 7 тысяче, снятые ещё прошлым летом и в начале осени.

То есть, исходя из данных этого графика, реальная (скрываемая) численность потерь карательной группировки с начала «АТО» ещё больше, чем по данным российской разведки.

И это наиболее реалистичная цифра, учитывая существование трёх котлов.

В число этих 38.688 погибших входят и тысячи тех, кого киевский режим трусливо и подло записал в «пропавших без вести» и «дезертиров», чтобы скрыть реальные цифры и не платить компенсации их семьям.

Как я всегда говорил и продолжаю говорить, Правда всегда всплывает, как её ни прячь. И это как раз такой случай."

medo wrote:

Сводки от ополчения Новороссии
06.05.15. Заметка от Александра Роджерса.

"Украина признала гибель минимум 38 688 военнослужащих ВСУ. Опубликованные на Украине косвенные данные позволяют определить реальную численность погибших со стороны карательной группировки хунты с момента начала т.н. АТО. Киевский режим в своём вранье, как обычно, прокалывается в мелочах.
Expand text.. Впрочем, обо всём по порядку… Режим активно занимается дезинформацией населения и мировой общественности, а также пропагандистским промыванием мозгов. Для этого он создаёт достаточно много «источников информационного шума» в виде различных «экспертных сообществ», «научных институтов» и «патриотических организаций».

Вот и недавно им был создан ресурс «Словом и делом», призванный как выдавать нужную режиму информацию (вернее сказать, дезинформацию), так и собирать средства для «допомоги нашим хлопцям в АТО», выдуривая их у населения.

Этим ресурсом была опубликована инфографика, косвенно раскрывающая реальные цифры потерь карательной группировки с начала боевых действий.

Как видим, диаграмма показывает численность погибших украинских силовиков на миллион населения в разрезе по областям. Проведя несложные математические вычисления (сложив циферки в столбик), получаем, что на миллион украинцев погибло 905,5 человек. Из графика видно, что за основу взято всё население Украины, включая Крым и Донбасс. Но мы, так и быть, возьмём официальные данные Укрстата в 42,726 миллиона человек.

Перемножим эти две цифры 905,5 и 42,726 и получим численность погибших, которая была взята за основу для составления графика — это 38.688 человек (плюс-минус несколько человек в погрешностях вычисления).

Для сравнения, официально признанные Генштабом Украины цифры потерь — 1541 человек.

При этом в интернете ходят фотографии номерных могил неопознанных бойцов с номерами в 6 или 7 тысяче, снятые ещё прошлым летом и в начале осени.

То есть, исходя из данных этого графика, реальная (скрываемая) численность потерь карательной группировки с начала «АТО» ещё больше, чем по данным российской разведки.

И это наиболее реалистичная цифра, учитывая существование трёх котлов.

В число этих 38.688 погибших входят и тысячи тех, кого киевский режим трусливо и подло записал в «пропавших без вести» и «дезертиров», чтобы скрыть реальные цифры и не платить компенсации их семьям.

Как я всегда говорил и продолжаю говорить, Правда всегда всплывает, как её ни прячь. И это как раз такой случай."

Ukraine somehow confess, that more than 38.000 ukrainian soldiers were killed. Officially only 1541 ukrainian soldiers were killed.

TASS wrote:Donetsk doctors urge Kiev to lift blockade on supplying medicines to Donbas
World May 06, 17:18 UTC+3

Donetsk doctors now need antibiotics, heart medications and medicine for newborn children

DONETSK, May 6. /TASS/. Representatives of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) in the sub-group on refugees, internally displaced persons and humanitarian assistance should urge Kiev to lift its blockade on delivering medicaments to Donbas at today’s Contact Group meeting, chief physician at Donetsk’s central hospital Valentina Podolyaka said on Wednesday.

"There is a problem of delivering medicaments to hospitals in Donbas. Of course, we receive humanitarian aid from Russia which helps us to keep afloat, but this is not enough. We need Kiev to lift its blockade on delivering medicaments to DPR. We hope that this issue will be raised today in Minsk in the framework of the Contact Group’s sub-group on refugees, internally displaced persons and humanitarian assistance," the Donetsk News Agency quoted Podolyaka as saying. Continue reading.

TASS wrote:Crimea prosecutor: Ukrainian battalion fighter detained in Crimea repents insincerely
Russia May 06, 19:50 UTC+3

A member of Ukraine's Azov volunteer battalion was detained in Crimea on accusations of involvement in setting a mosque in the city of Simferopol on fire and attempt to carry out a terrorist act

SIMFEROPOL, May 6. /TASS/. A participant of the nationalist Azov battalion, a paramilitary group making part of the Ukrainian Interior Ministry’s National Guard, who was detained in Crimea on May 1, has repented but not sincerely, Crimean Prosecutor Natalya Poklonskaya said Wednesday.

Member of of Ukraine's Azov volunteer battalion detained in Crimea — prosecutor
"He is zealous only when he is in his atmosphere. With us he is a very nice, sensitive person who is trying to repent. Of course, insincerely. Behind the tinsel of upside-down swastika and ‘kill’ slogans, these are deeply cowardly people," Poklonskaya told journalists. Continue reading.

VZ via Google Translate wrote:Тимошенко призвала подключить США к переговорам по Донбассу
Tymoshenko called on the US to connect to the negotiations on the Donbas
May 6, 2015, 12:11

Negotiations on the settlement in Donbass should return to Geneva format with the participation of the United States, said the leader of the party "Fatherland" Yulia Tymoshenko.

"Minsk Agreement - is the way and let it running. But in parallel must begin a completely different path: it is necessary to change the format of negotiations ", - said Tymoshenko, quoted by RIA "Novosti" .

In her opinion, "it is necessary to connect the United States, it is necessary to return to the international Geneva format, and not to conduct these negotiations in Minsk, where actually our president (Poroshenko) alone. It is necessary to move to Geneva to begin negotiations, where there are four party: the United States, Ukraine, the EU and Russia." Continue reading.

VZ via Google Translate wrote:СК: Иммунитет ПАСЕ не распространяется на Савченко
SK: Immunity does not apply to the PACE Savchenko
May 6, 2015, 13:43

Savchenko Nadezhda Ukrainka not immune Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE), was elected as a delegate after the crime, the investigator said in court.

"At the disposal of investigators have documents that confirm that the immune system is a functional Savchenko, crimes that were imputed to have been committed prior to the election of its delegates" - said the representative of the UK, quoted by RIA "Novosti" .

Earlier Wednesday, the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) confirmed that the Hope Savchenko It is immune from prosecution. Continue reading.

VZ via Google Translate wrote:Порошенко: На встрече в Минске необходимо обсудить вопрос развертывания миротворцев
Poroshenko: At a meeting in Minsk to discuss the need to deploy peacekeepers


The subgroup on safety in the contact group on the Donbas is to discuss the modalities of the deployment of the peacekeeping mission, said the president of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko.

"Sub-group on security issues is to discuss modalities for the deployment of the mission in Ukraine combined with the civil and military components under the auspices of the UN and the EU. During the recent negotiations in the "Normandy format" The Russian side emphasized that it is not opposed to the deployment of the peacekeeping mission in Ukraine ", - said in a statement on the website of President of Ukraine.

According to Poroshenko, the peacekeeping mission should not replace or revoke Minsk documents, and should work in parallel with the activities of the OSCE. Continue reading.

Glagol via Google Translate wrote:Порошенко потребовал отменить Парад Победы в Донецке
Poroshenko demanded to cancel the Victory Parade in Donetsk
MAY 6, 18:55

Poroshenko so much dissatisfied with the preparation of Donetsk for the celebration of May 9, which requires to withdraw all heavy weapons and artillery

President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko sees the parade of Victory in Minsk Donetsk violation of agreements, reports Star

Poroshenko so much dissatisfied with the preparation of Donetsk for the celebration of May 9, which requires to withdraw all heavy weapons and artillery, which, he said, the militia returned to the buffer zone to take part in the Victory Parade. Continue reading.

@gbazov wrote:#FLASH—In #Odessa, local activists put up a poster saying "#Gocharenko, Blood is on Your Hands"—reference to May 2.

Kazzura wrote:[eng subs] Givi leading tank column at Donetsk Victory Parade rehearsal

Sputnik wrote:Minsk Group Makes 'Breakthrough' on Ukraine Reconciliation Talks
EUROPE 19:22 06.05.2015(updated 20:04 06.05.2015)

The Contact Group on Ukraine met in Minsk to discuss the implementation of Minsk Agreements made in February.

The Contact Group on Ukraine made significant progress in reconciliation talks, Russian envoy Azamat Kulmukhametov said on Wednesday.

The four contact subgroups will discuss issues of security, politics, refugees and displaced persons, as well as economic ties, according to Organization for Security and Co-Operation in Europe (OSCE) envoy Heidi Tagliavini. Continue reading.

Sputnik wrote:US Sends Defensive Arms to Kiev Amid Reported Buildup in Donbass
EUROPE 20:43 06.05.2015(updated 21:10 06.05.2015)

US Defense Secretary Ashton Carter said that the United States is supporting the Ukrainian military with defensive arms.

WASHINGTON (Sputnik) — The United States has equipped Ukraine government forces with defensive weapons to counter independence supporters in eastern Ukraine who the US military alleges are preparing for a fresh offensive, US Defense Secretary Ashton Carter said during a Congressional hearing on Wednesday.

“It does appear that the Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine are preparing for another round of military action,” Carter said. “We [the United States] are supporting the Ukrainian military, not with offensive arms, but with defensive arms.” Continue reading.

Sputnik wrote:Deploy the Panties! Ukraine Military Stockpiles Some Very Unusual Items
EUROPE 15:01 06.05.2015(updated 15:15 06.05.2015)

The warehouses of what President Poroshenko claims to be one of the five strongest armies in Europe are packed with thousands of unnecessary things: female knickers, tons of buttons and old leather volleyballs instead of modern military gear, according to the country’s Presidential Counselor and Assistant Minister of Defense.

Instead of modern army gear, warehouses belonging to the Ukrainian Defense Ministry are packed with all sorts of things which are of no use to servicemen.

“We found a lot of interesting stuff – nine million buttons, a pile of sacks and boxes, several thousand pairs of female panties, old-styles leather volleyballs and many other things of peculiar use…and this is at warehouses belonging to the Defense Ministry,” the Ukrainian media quotes the country’s Presidential Counselor and Assistant Minister of Defense, Yuri Biryukov, as saying.

Biryukov said that only one of the five Ukrainian Defense Ministry provision centers has been inspected. Continue reading.

Nikolai Starikov via Google Translate wrote:Если это не фашизм и хунта, то что это?
If this is not fascism and the junta, what is it?
4.20.2015 7:00

The coup d'Etat in Ukraine, the West euphemistically Which Called the "change of power" and the victory of the "Opposition" name "Revolution Dignity" WAS A more than year ago. Since then, it took not much time, But it Turned out to be tightly Compressed in A Terrible huge Flows of information. So A lot of Blood, Violence, Suffering and Death of the Territory of Ukraine did not know since ITS Liberation from the Nazis DURING World War II.

And Against the background of this All is still the Russian liberals and Ukrainian journalists continue to repeat the Same Mantra: Ukraine is not Fascism, and the new Government completely legitimate and in no way resembles the Junta .

Denying the obvious - one of the birthmarks of liberalism. A clear proof of all the liberal reforms that Ukraine, in Russia or any other country. They are made for "prosperity" and "development", and end with the fall in living standards and closing businesses. At the same time the Liberals continue to insist that everything is fine and as it should be. Likewise, today denied the fascist character of the state, which was created after the coup in Kiev with the active assistance of the United States, close to our borders.

What is fascism? What are its main features? This is a dictatorship, aimed at establishing power of one political force, which is always based on the violence, always stop all sorts of discussion and full control of the information space. At the same time his opponents Nazis quickly isolate. First - on public policy, and then literally isolate them in concentration camps and prisons. This was the way the Nazis were Hitler, Mussolini's Blackshirts, and even Franco's Falangists. In Germany, the Communist Party had been banned at first, and then all other parties except the Nazi Party, and soon entered the racist Nuremberg Laws. In Italy, almost 10 years ago we created the Ministry of Press and Propaganda, whose head was appointed Dino Alfieri , who started actively closing opposition media. As a result, the chief editor of the newspaper could be the only member of the fascist union, uniting journalists with party tickets were introduced, and other restrictions on trade for unreliable people. In Spain, a lot of people went to jail, and about 200 thousand. Spaniards were executed. Continue reading.

etaepsilonk wrote:

Absolutely ridiculous

Look at frogfoot's performance envelope- not only it couldn't reach b777's altitude, but could also hardly keep up in the horizontal plane.

Don't forget the human factor as well, a pilot being ordered to shoot down civilian airliner might freak out and try to defect instead.

etaepsilonk wrote:

Khepesh wrote:About MH17. I didn't find this article on Cassad mentioned here yet, but I may have missed it. Very detailed analysis by Rozhin using photos from Dutch journalist to put forward the theory that SU-25 shot down MH17. http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2077046.html  To me it is ver suspicious that while we knew everything possible to know about the Germanwings disaster within hardly more than 7 days after it crashed, we have nothing about MH17 except an very anodyne preliminary report that essentially says it crashed due to external forces, wow, such deduction and analysis, such genius....  

Silence about anything, no CVR or FDR data, no autopsy report on pilots, particulary co-pilot whose seat and body, by the Cassad article, seem to have 30mm cannon fire injuries. There is no real reason for this report to have taken so long, major and very complicated investigations into other crashes do not take this long when all the parts are avalable. MH17 is not at bottom of ocean, middle of a jungle or on top of a mountain. I think they know exactly what happen and if it showed any conclusive evidence of rebel or Russian involvement I am certain that evidence would have been all over the place many months ago, but silence...

Absolutely ridiculous

Look at frogfoot's performance envelope- not only it couldn't reach b777's altitude, but could also hardly keep up in the horizontal plane.

Don't forget the human factor as well, a pilot being ordered to shoot down civilian airliner might freak out and try to defect instead.

PapaDragon wrote: Holy Chernobog auslander!!!  

You can't post stuff like that without putting some "WARNING: EXTREME STRONKK CONTENT!!!" before the link.  

This is some powerful voodoo. (Kamaz sport truck was a nice touch)

Neutrality wrote:RIA Novosti quotes Pushilin (DNR representative) who reports a "breakthrough" in negotiations. He says that there's finally a dialogue between Kiev and DNR/LNR represenatives which is the most crucial part in this war. He also says that "peace is coming closer".

If Washington and Brussels keep pushing with the sanctions bullshit eventhough Moscow is doing everything to force both sides to establish peace, they'll finally expose themselves and hopefully people who follow this war will also see who the true warmongers are.

auslander wrote:

PapaDragon wrote: Holy Chernobog auslander!!!  

You can't post stuff like that without putting some "WARNING: EXTREME STRONKK CONTENT!!!" before the link.  

This is some powerful voodoo. (Kamaz sport truck was a nice touch)

OI! I hope I don't get banned for posting such stronk! It ain't my fault, that little stinker found it and sent it to me! I'm innocent (As usual)!

In all seriousness, things are getting a bit interesting and security for Saturday is really tight. Security is everywhere and heavily armed, not only here but all the way to Bachti Sarai as of yesterday afternoon. We will see in the next few days what comes of the current situation.

Regular wrote:

auslander wrote:

PapaDragon wrote: Holy Chernobog auslander!!!  

You can't post stuff like that without putting some "WARNING: EXTREME STRONKK CONTENT!!!" before the link.  

This is some powerful voodoo. (Kamaz sport truck was a nice touch)

OI! I hope I don't get banned for posting such stronk! It ain't my fault, that little stinker found it and sent it to me! I'm innocent (As usual)!

In all seriousness, things are getting a bit interesting and security for Saturday is really tight. Security is everywhere and heavily armed, not only here but all the way to Bachti Sarai as of yesterday afternoon. We will see in the next few days what comes of the current situation.

Thanks for Your input. By the way I'm starting to see even stronger propaganda flow from Russians themselves.
Is just me or some Russians are falling for pompastic patriotism, chauvinism. Reminds me of USA redneck mentality,  freedom eagles, whites and stripes, US of A and etc. Net analogov vmire? Yeah right.. I used to mock americans when they made ridiculous claims abut their country being greatest, now I find Russians being not so different Maybe it's just me, a person without country and stronkianism for me looks opium for the masses. It really clouds critical thinking.

flamming_python wrote:

Regular wrote:

auslander wrote:

PapaDragon wrote: Holy Chernobog auslander!!!  

You can't post stuff like that without putting some "WARNING: EXTREME STRONKK CONTENT!!!" before the link.  

This is some powerful voodoo. (Kamaz sport truck was a nice touch)

OI! I hope I don't get banned for posting such stronk! It ain't my fault, that little stinker found it and sent it to me! I'm innocent (As usual)!

In all seriousness, things are getting a bit interesting and security for Saturday is really tight. Security is everywhere and heavily armed, not only here but all the way to Bachti Sarai as of yesterday afternoon. We will see in the next few days what comes of the current situation.

Thanks for Your input. By the way I'm starting to see even stronger propaganda flow from Russians themselves.
Is just me or some Russians are falling for pompastic patriotism, chauvinism. Reminds me of USA redneck mentality,  freedom eagles, whites and stripes, US of A and etc. Net analogov vmire? Yeah right.. I used to mock americans when they made ridiculous claims abut their country being greatest, now I find Russians being not so different Maybe it's just me, a person without country and stronkianism for me looks opium for the masses. It really clouds critical thinking.

Russians and Americans are pretty similar as people and nations actually.

Just have a think about it; there are a huge amount of parralels.

And yeah you're right about the dick-swinging patriotism too. But I enjoy it personally. And we do it better anyway

alexZam wrote:Btw, Donetsk airport landing strip looks fine.. Just in case, just saying.    

PapaDragon wrote:

Ukraine Slashes Gas Purchases in Europe, Doubles Imports from Russia

http://russia-insider.com/en/ukraine-slashes-gas-purchases-europe-doubles-imports-russia/ri6527

Kiev is all over Russia’s discounted gas
Reverse flow dwindles

May 5, (Unian) - Starting from May 1, Ukraine suspended imports of natural gas from Hungary and reduced deliveries of gas from Slovakia by 77%, while offsetting the cuts with larger import volumes of Russian gas.

The change in Ukriane’s energy supply tactics is seen in data from gas transmission system operators in Hungary (FGSZ) and Slovakia (Eustream).

According to FGSZ, for the last five days Ukraine has not been importing any natural gas from Hungary at all.............continued......

Vann7 wrote:

Some new developments.. in the Ukraine war.. China warships enters the black sea...


http://russia-insider.com/en/military/two-chinese-warships-enter-black-sea/ri6491

This had to do with the Victory parade and the rumors that Ukraine is preparing a major
provocation attack on eastern ukraine or even Crimea. The warships will come really handy
because now Russia and China warships could be close to each other and any missile by
Ukraine navy launched at warships near sevastopol ,they get the risk of attacking China warships.  This means kiev will have to think twice before any major provocation on Crimea and Russian navy.