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A matter of curiosity. If in a hypothetical scenario the US deploys its artillery corps to Kramatorsk and shell Donetsk, what would be Russia's response?
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The Situation in the Ukraine. #19
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The only reason Russia and China have such good ties is because they have a common "enemy" in the form of the US and EU. China is already trying to drive Belarus into their sphere of influence and now they are trying to do that to Ukraine in the long run.JohninMK wrote:Very interesting, a good find. The Chinese must be loving the Ukrainian fire sale, desperate for dollars, pricing. Plus it gets rid of some of China's mountain of dollars.higurashihougi wrote:Someone from the Far East is coooomiiiing
http://www.dw.com/en/sierens-china-ukraine-is-chinas-breadbasket/a-18621316
Sieren's China: Ukraine is China's breadbasket
After more than a year of sanctions against Russia, the Chinese have been increasing their investments in Ukraine. They're having the last laugh, writes DW columnist Frank Sieren.
They must be buying up an awful amount of land.
Does anyone know China's stance on GM food?
Very strategic move in the long run. Besides the imagined borders of Novorossiya (Odessa to Kharkov), this generation of Ukrops will always hate and mistrust Russia thanks to the liberation of Krim. The EU experiment was always intended to cripple Ukraine and drive them into the EU's sphere of influence. Thanks to the war in Donbass, the EU has successfully managed to cripple Ukraine but Ukraine will never fully be in the EU's sphere of influence. Who else for Ukraine to turn to but China?
I hope this move will injure the Chinese greatly as well. Russia's enemies have a long history of trying to surround it.
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Flagship Victory wrote:A matter of curiosity. If in a hypothetical scenario the US deploys its artillery corps to Kramatorsk and shell Donetsk, what would be Russia's response?
Accidental sale of S-400 to Syria and "Bal" coastal defense systems to Iran.
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Lol, China is only interested in Belarus and Ukraine because they're the border of EU and setting a foothold in Europe is more important for them than trying to undermine Russia.Ivan the Colorado wrote:I hope this move will injure the Chinese greatly as well. Russia's enemies have a long history of trying to surround it.
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It is a form of buying up what you can, to control the market. Ukraine is ripe for the taking and Belarus only has 1 real investor - Russia. So China is doing in Ukraine what Russia should have done in the past - buy it all up to control its economy.
China is in economic trouble too, so it will end up trying to get itself in other countries like US did, so that these countries become dependent on Chinese investments and economy.
China is in economic trouble too, so it will end up trying to get itself in other countries like US did, so that these countries become dependent on Chinese investments and economy.
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Only 9000 Russian soldiers in Ukraine now. Its true, Poro said so.
In an interview to Austria's Kurier newspaper, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko claimed that it is "possible" that Russian President Vladimir Putin would attack Finland, the Baltic states, as well as the countries around the Black Sea.
Poroshenko made the comment after claiming that "9,000 Russian soldiers" are present in Ukrainian territory. On Saturday, a day before Poroshenko's statement, Estonia's Foreign Minister Marina Kaljurand said that Russia does present a military threat for the country. "Is it possible that he attacks Finland: Yes. That he attacks the Baltic states: Yes. The Black Sea States: Yes," Poroshenko said in the interview.
Poroshenko's claim that Russia would attack the Baltic states was contradicted by Estonia, whose foreign minister said the previous day that Russia does not pose a military threat to the Baltic country. "At this moment we do not see a direct threat for NATO from the direction of Russia," Estonia's foreign minister said. Kaljurand made the statement in response to a report from Sweden, which claims that Russia could attack the Baltic states.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150803/1025358811.html#ixzz3hmnrcxO8
In an interview to Austria's Kurier newspaper, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko claimed that it is "possible" that Russian President Vladimir Putin would attack Finland, the Baltic states, as well as the countries around the Black Sea.
Poroshenko made the comment after claiming that "9,000 Russian soldiers" are present in Ukrainian territory. On Saturday, a day before Poroshenko's statement, Estonia's Foreign Minister Marina Kaljurand said that Russia does present a military threat for the country. "Is it possible that he attacks Finland: Yes. That he attacks the Baltic states: Yes. The Black Sea States: Yes," Poroshenko said in the interview.
Poroshenko's claim that Russia would attack the Baltic states was contradicted by Estonia, whose foreign minister said the previous day that Russia does not pose a military threat to the Baltic country. "At this moment we do not see a direct threat for NATO from the direction of Russia," Estonia's foreign minister said. Kaljurand made the statement in response to a report from Sweden, which claims that Russia could attack the Baltic states.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150803/1025358811.html#ixzz3hmnrcxO8
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Any thoughts on this? Maidan to raise Crimean Tatar army to fight Russians.
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine-abroad/international-business-times-to-defeat-russia-ukraine-creates-muslim-military-unit-made-up-of-crimean-tatars-394973.html
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine-abroad/international-business-times-to-defeat-russia-ukraine-creates-muslim-military-unit-made-up-of-crimean-tatars-394973.html
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Surprise, surprise.
MOSCOW, August 3. /TASS/. Initialing of the agreement on withdrawal of weapons of a caliber under 100mm in Donbass has been postponed due to the position of the Ukrainian side, Denis Pushilin, the representative of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) in the Contact Group on Ukraine, told the Donetsk News Agency on Monday.
"DPR and LPR representatives are not initialing the document. It has been frustrated by the Ukrainian side," he said.
The Contact Group’s working subgroup on security is continuing its meeting in the Belarusian capital Minsk.
MOSCOW, August 3. /TASS/. Initialing of the agreement on withdrawal of weapons of a caliber under 100mm in Donbass has been postponed due to the position of the Ukrainian side, Denis Pushilin, the representative of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) in the Contact Group on Ukraine, told the Donetsk News Agency on Monday.
"DPR and LPR representatives are not initialing the document. It has been frustrated by the Ukrainian side," he said.
The Contact Group’s working subgroup on security is continuing its meeting in the Belarusian capital Minsk.
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Flagship Victory wrote:Yanks urge Russians and Ukrainians to kill each other.
https://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/op-ed/institute-of-peaces-hawkish-chairman-wants-ukraine-to-send-russians-back-in-body-bags-394955.html
Most of these assholes are on the payrolls of weapons companies, so that is why they say stuff like this.
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Flagship Victory wrote:Any thoughts on this? Maidan to raise Crimean Tatar army to fight Russians.
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine-abroad/international-business-times-to-defeat-russia-ukraine-creates-muslim-military-unit-made-up-of-crimean-tatars-394973.html
I think it is more air than anything, the Tatars for the most part live a good life. I think they are going in Wahhabis terrorists.
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sepheronx wrote:It is a form of buying up what you can, to control the market. Ukraine is ripe for the taking and Belarus only has 1 real investor - Russia. So China is doing in Ukraine what Russia should have done in the past - buy it all up to control its economy.
China is in economic trouble too, so it will end up trying to get itself in other countries like US did, so that these countries become dependent on Chinese investments and economy.
China has been buying up a lot of stuff, they have made a lot investments and have purchased a lot in India as well.
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par far wrote:Flagship Victory wrote:Any thoughts on this? Maidan to raise Crimean Tatar army to fight Russians.
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine-abroad/international-business-times-to-defeat-russia-ukraine-creates-muslim-military-unit-made-up-of-crimean-tatars-394973.html
I think it is more air than anything, the Tatars for the most part live a good life. I think they are going in Wahhabis terrorists.
They will obtain exiled tatars, any few in Crimea who are more mercenaries than anything, and from bosnia/albania muslims whom are wahabbists and eventually will cause havok in Ukraine itself.
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Leftist MP asks govt to send banned food to Donbass as aid
http://www.rt.com/politics/311422-leftist-mp-asks-govt-to/
http://www.rt.com/politics/311422-leftist-mp-asks-govt-to/
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sepheronx wrote:par far wrote:Flagship Victory wrote:Any thoughts on this? Maidan to raise Crimean Tatar army to fight Russians.
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine-abroad/international-business-times-to-defeat-russia-ukraine-creates-muslim-military-unit-made-up-of-crimean-tatars-394973.html
I think it is more air than anything, the Tatars for the most part live a good life. I think they are going in Wahhabis terrorists.
They will obtain exiled tatars, any few in Crimea who are more mercenaries than anything, and from bosnia/albania muslims whom are wahabbists and eventually will cause havok in Ukraine itself.
Tatar Medjilis extremist/Chechen rebel/Bosniak-Albanian brigade; with maybe some mercs from Libya.
After the Ukrainian government collapses or runs out of money for war expenses (whichever first), the 'Crimean Tatar army' will set up shop in whatever region it happens to be dislocated in, and would start to take over what it feels its owed by force.
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flamming_python wrote:sepheronx wrote:par far wrote:Flagship Victory wrote:Any thoughts on this? Maidan to raise Crimean Tatar army to fight Russians.
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine-abroad/international-business-times-to-defeat-russia-ukraine-creates-muslim-military-unit-made-up-of-crimean-tatars-394973.html
I think it is more air than anything, the Tatars for the most part live a good life. I think they are going in Wahhabis terrorists.
They will obtain exiled tatars, any few in Crimea who are more mercenaries than anything, and from bosnia/albania muslims whom are wahabbists and eventually will cause havok in Ukraine itself.
Tatar Medjilis extremist/Chechen rebel/Bosniak-Albanian brigade; with maybe some mercs from Libya.
Do we have a plan for this, these kind of assholes scary the crap out of me. They are going to try to push them into Russia. I say secretly send in sniper teams to take them out.
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flamming_python wrote:Odin of Ossetia wrote:KomissarBojanchev wrote:Instead of growing close with the catholic hungarians and slovaks who have historically done great atrocities against them ,there should be an effort to make the rusyn national consciosness to identify itsself with the orthodox east slavic family, them being the westernmost members of the russian people.
What Slovak atrocities?
Damned if I know what he's refering to either.
Rusyns should conscious themselves up and join Slovakia or Hungary; either would make a good home for them - Ukraine is sure to progress into an absolute wreck.
Rusins should become independent.
And have no idea what "Slovak atrocities" he wrote about.
A significant portion of ethnic Hungarians are Protestant (Calvinist).
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And how do you propose they will send them to Russia? At this point, Russia is watching these borders to Ukraine like a hawk. The chechens and tatar extremists should be allowed to go through to stir whatever garbage they want in Ukraine. Let that shithole rot.
On that same point, they (Ukraine) is pushing more of their own "sanctions" on Russia. Good for them. Those monkeys are proving more and more incompetent daily. Hey, maybe Russia should skyrocket prices for their energy products to Ukraine in response. That would be funny.
On that same point, they (Ukraine) is pushing more of their own "sanctions" on Russia. Good for them. Those monkeys are proving more and more incompetent daily. Hey, maybe Russia should skyrocket prices for their energy products to Ukraine in response. That would be funny.
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We are over 1000 posts in this thread. Has the limit changed?
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JohninMK wrote:We are over 1000 posts in this thread. Has the limit changed?
It often takes a day or two for the mod to roll over the thread to a new one.
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Apology, forgot to save the author of this Post!
"I read this several days ago (Ukrainian sources, can't remember the source sorry*).
It appears that the novelty is that those elegible can trade their old one for the new Russian one, it looks like another measure to fight illegal labor along with the more strict measures announced last week.
* A quick Google search:
RFE - The Daily Vertical: Passports As Weapons (Video) - July 31, 2015
RU facts - A.Parshev: "To issue Russian passports to the residents of the DNI and the LC - it is our duty" - 2015-07-29
Lenta via Google Translate - Carpenter spoke about the prospects of issuing Russian passports to residents of Donbass - July 28, 2015"
^^^^^^^
Very interesting!!
"I read this several days ago (Ukrainian sources, can't remember the source sorry*).
It appears that the novelty is that those elegible can trade their old one for the new Russian one, it looks like another measure to fight illegal labor along with the more strict measures announced last week.
* A quick Google search:
RFE - The Daily Vertical: Passports As Weapons (Video) - July 31, 2015
RU facts - A.Parshev: "To issue Russian passports to the residents of the DNI and the LC - it is our duty" - 2015-07-29
Lenta via Google Translate - Carpenter spoke about the prospects of issuing Russian passports to residents of Donbass - July 28, 2015"
^^^^^^^
Very interesting!!
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As a result of the shelling stopped working two block (1st and 4th) Uglegorskaya TPP Svetlodarsk.
Near the office, "opposition bloc" in Kharkov unknown kidnapped and taken to the cemetery of the activist political force.
Near the office, "opposition bloc" in Kharkov unknown kidnapped and taken to the cemetery of the activist political force.
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Ситуация Новороссии @EgoRZemtsoV 11h11 hours ago
Грузины воевавшие на стороне ВСУ покидают Донбасс:
The situation NovorossiaEgoRZemtsoV 11h11 hours ago
Georgians fought on the side of the APU leave the Donbass:
Now this is interesting. Does Donbass have a hit list/
There are 3 more photos on the link, and they're also interesting.
Грузины воевавшие на стороне ВСУ покидают Донбасс:
The situation NovorossiaEgoRZemtsoV 11h11 hours ago
Georgians fought on the side of the APU leave the Donbass:
Now this is interesting. Does Donbass have a hit list/
There are 3 more photos on the link, and they're also interesting.
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par far wrote:Flagship Victory wrote:Yanks urge Russians and Ukrainians to kill each other.
https://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/op-ed/institute-of-peaces-hawkish-chairman-wants-ukraine-to-send-russians-back-in-body-bags-394955.html
Most of these assholes are on the payrolls of weapons companies, so that is why they say stuff like this.
Typical Pax Americana for us.
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Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150803/1025358811.html#ixzz3hmnrcxO8
What, so our Porkie is the Hero of FreeDoom and Democrazy who is trying to save Baltic and Finland from the claw of Russian Empire ? Dear me, I didn't know that Porkie is such a Great Man like that.
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Sorry but you are underestimating his foresight and self sacrificial instincts. This man is no less than a super hero, trying almost on his own to save the Western world from a fate worse than death. A Nobel Peace prize shoe-in without doubt.higurashihougi wrote:par far wrote:Flagship Victory wrote:Yanks urge Russians and Ukrainians to kill each other.
https://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/op-ed/institute-of-peaces-hawkish-chairman-wants-ukraine-to-send-russians-back-in-body-bags-394955.html
Most of these assholes are on the payrolls of weapons companies, so that is why they say stuff like this.
Typical Pax Americana for us.JohninMK wrote:(........)
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150803/1025358811.html#ixzz3hmnrcxO8
What, so our Porkie is the Hero of FreeDoom and Democrazy who is trying to save Baltic and Finland from the claw of Russian Empire ? Dear me, I didn't know that Porkie is such a Great Man like that.
But just remember where the Nobel money came from, the UA is keeping up a long tradition.
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Some news out of the Contact Group in Minsk. Looks like the need for coal supply is starting to make an impact.
MINSK (Sputnik) – An OSCE coordinator of the humanitarian subgroup, Toni Frisch, visited Lugansk to assess the humanitarian situation on the ground two weeks ago. "The schedule to demine and restore communication along the Nikitovka-Mayorsk railway section will be prepared next week." He elaborated that the section plays a key role in ensuring the supply of coal, adding that all sides in the conflict will be involved in its restoration, including Donetsk railway.
Sajdik also reported that the humanitarian subgroup agreed on the need to restore the work of checkpoints across the line of contact in the Lugansk region. The checkpoints are currently closed to pedestrian and vehicle movement. "Every effort must be made to ensure the secure supply of the population living directly along the contact line with humanitarian aid."
One of the Contact Group on Ukrainian reconciliation’s four subgroups agreed on expert evaluation of water supply facilities in the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk people’s republics (DPR and LPR), the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe’s (OSCE) special representative in the trilateral group said. “Experts will visit and assess two water supply sites in Donetsk and Lugansk regions,” Martin Sajdik told reporters. He stressed that all sides in the conflict are interested in the smooth operation of the sites because they supply both sides of the line of contact with water. LPR envoy to the group Vladislav Deinego, in turn, assessed the results of the economic subgroup's work as "relatively serious." He added that the experts are expected to bring the water supply restoration issue to a pre-project phase. "These questions are at the technical processing stage. There is hope that the economic team will work more efficiently than others."
The subgroups on political, economic, security and humanitarian issues were outlined in the Minsk ceasefire agreement worked out by the Russian, German, French and Ukrainian leaders and signed by the sides to the Ukrainian conflict. The four subgroups began their marathon work in the Belarusian capital Minsk on Monday afternoon. The Belarusian Foreign Ministry's press secretary later said the security subgroup is expected to resume work early Tuesday.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150804/1025368097.html#ixzz3hpfYcjxr
MINSK (Sputnik) – An OSCE coordinator of the humanitarian subgroup, Toni Frisch, visited Lugansk to assess the humanitarian situation on the ground two weeks ago. "The schedule to demine and restore communication along the Nikitovka-Mayorsk railway section will be prepared next week." He elaborated that the section plays a key role in ensuring the supply of coal, adding that all sides in the conflict will be involved in its restoration, including Donetsk railway.
Sajdik also reported that the humanitarian subgroup agreed on the need to restore the work of checkpoints across the line of contact in the Lugansk region. The checkpoints are currently closed to pedestrian and vehicle movement. "Every effort must be made to ensure the secure supply of the population living directly along the contact line with humanitarian aid."
One of the Contact Group on Ukrainian reconciliation’s four subgroups agreed on expert evaluation of water supply facilities in the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk people’s republics (DPR and LPR), the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe’s (OSCE) special representative in the trilateral group said. “Experts will visit and assess two water supply sites in Donetsk and Lugansk regions,” Martin Sajdik told reporters. He stressed that all sides in the conflict are interested in the smooth operation of the sites because they supply both sides of the line of contact with water. LPR envoy to the group Vladislav Deinego, in turn, assessed the results of the economic subgroup's work as "relatively serious." He added that the experts are expected to bring the water supply restoration issue to a pre-project phase. "These questions are at the technical processing stage. There is hope that the economic team will work more efficiently than others."
The subgroups on political, economic, security and humanitarian issues were outlined in the Minsk ceasefire agreement worked out by the Russian, German, French and Ukrainian leaders and signed by the sides to the Ukrainian conflict. The four subgroups began their marathon work in the Belarusian capital Minsk on Monday afternoon. The Belarusian Foreign Ministry's press secretary later said the security subgroup is expected to resume work early Tuesday.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150804/1025368097.html#ixzz3hpfYcjxr