The Situation in the Ukraine. #23

Werewolf wrote:Just look at this coward like a gay robot with no emotions. Any real man even a half sized man would have hit him in the face. That disgusting subhuman has no musculinity nor spine and no honor. Pure evil scum.

First post in the Ukraine thread.

Can someone who is on top of the situation give me a sitrep of the last 48 hours in the 404? Studying is eating up most my time.

Ivan the Colorado wrote:Can someone who is on top of the situation give me a sitrep of the last 48 hours in the 404? Studying is eating up most my time.

Not much over normal really Ivan.

Kiev re-enforcing the ceasefire line. Sporadic firing from both sides on same.
No sign of sorting out the Russia debt. IMF not supplying promised money either, someing about the budget has to be approved first and there aren't enough cuts, sorry suffering, yet.
Kiev not buying gas from Russia atm but is buying coal from Russia and Donbas. Also from S Africa.
The smaller of the three power lines into Crimea now up, so Russia now selling electricity into Ukraine.
Biden popped in to see his vassals with the Master's instructions. Not many locals happy with those that have leaked out. Minor oligarch reshuffle going on.
Normal gentleman's behaviour in Rada, this time they want Yats out.

Basically they are still discussing the next song in the disco as the ship is running over the rocks. Costa Concordia Ukrainia anyone? Meanwhile the salvage ship manned by the banksters has left its home port.

JohninMK wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:Can someone who is on top of the situation give me a sitrep of the last 48 hours in the 404? Studying is eating up most my time.

Not much over normal really Ivan.

Kiev re-enforcing the ceasefire line. Sporadic firing from both sides on same.
No sign of sorting out the Russia debt. IMF not supplying promised money either, someing about the budget has to be approved first and there aren't enough cuts, sorry suffering, yet.
Kiev not buying gas from Russia atm but is buying coal from Russia and Donbas. Also from S Africa.
The smaller of the three power lines into Crimea now up, so Russia now selling electricity into Ukraine.
Biden popped in to see his vassals with the Master's instructions. Not many locals happy with those that have leaked out. Minor oligarch reshuffle going on.
Normal gentleman's behaviour in Rada, this time they want Yats out.

Basically they are still discussing the next song in the disco as the ship is running over the rocks. Costa Concordia Ukrainia anyone? Meanwhile the salvage ship manned by the banksters has left its home port.

Thanks for the comprehensive update John!

Ivan the Colorado wrote:Can someone who is on top of the situation give me a sitrep of the last 48 hours in the 404? Studying is eating up most my time.

The SBU and pals rounded up about +80 'terrorists' over the course of kicking down the doors of every house in a small Donbass town that's under the control of the VSU (or was it one of those that they seized just over the last 48 hours when they flooded the neutral zone with their troops?).

Boy they must have really caught a bonanza there.. over 80 terrorists. Just think of all the suicide bombings among crowds and simultaneous gun massacres in concerts, stadiums, restaraunts, etc... that these evildoers must have been planning to pull off in Kiev.
Like what happened in Paris last month - Poroshenko said that the Ukraine has been suffering the same thing all this time you know.. must be true.

Savages.

flamming_python wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:Can someone who is on top of the situation give me a sitrep of the last 48 hours in the 404? Studying is eating up most my time.

The SBU and pals rounded up about +80 'terrorists' over the course of kicking down the doors of every house in a small Donbass town that's under the control of the VSU (or was it one of those that they seized just over the last 48 hours when they flooded the neutral zone with their troops?).

Boy they must have really caught a bonanza there.. over 80 terrorists. Just think of all the suicide bombings among crowds and simultaneous gun massacres in concerts, stadiums, restaraunts, etc... that these evildoers must have been planning to pull off in Kiev.
Like what happened in Paris last month - Poroshenko said that the Ukraine has been suffering the same thing all this time you know.. must be true.

Savages.

They have to have those "terrorists" ready for exchanges dontcha know? Last time they had to round up kids going to the grocery store to make up for the numbers.
Ukraine has descended into madness.

flamming_python wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:Can someone who is on top of the situation give me a sitrep of the last 48 hours in the 404? Studying is eating up most my time.

The SBU and pals rounded up about +80 'terrorists' over the course of kicking down the doors of every house in a small Donbass town that's under the control of the VSU (or was it one of those that they seized just over the last 48 hours when they flooded the neutral zone with their troops?).

Boy they must have really caught a bonanza there.. over 80 terrorists. Just think of all the suicide bombings among crowds and simultaneous gun massacres in concerts, stadiums, restaraunts, etc... that these evildoers must have been planning to pull off in Kiev.
Like what happened in Paris last month - Poroshenko said that the Ukraine has been suffering the same thing all this time you know.. must be true.

Savages.

So the SBU kidnapped what was left of the town in a very similar style to what the SS was infamous for? That is a disgusting and despicable act. I doubt the odds of hearing what will happen to those people are very high.

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:Can someone who is on top of the situation give me a sitrep of the last 48 hours in the 404? Studying is eating up most my time.

The SBU and pals rounded up about +80 'terrorists' over the course of kicking down the doors of every house in a small Donbass town that's under the control of the VSU (or was it one of those that they seized just over the last 48 hours when they flooded the neutral zone with their troops?).

Boy they must have really caught a bonanza there.. over 80 terrorists. Just think of all the suicide bombings among crowds and simultaneous gun massacres in concerts, stadiums, restaraunts, etc... that these evildoers must have been planning to pull off in Kiev.
Like what happened in Paris last month - Poroshenko said that the Ukraine has been suffering the same thing all this time you know.. must be true.

Savages.

So the SBU kidnapped what was left of the town in a very similar style to what the SS was infamous for? That is a disgusting and despicable act. I doubt the odds of hearing what will happen to those people are very high.

Seems so
http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/310540.html

Criminal bloody regime, it can't resist making provocations. I hope for its speediest collapse.

Hopefully it's as Kotemore said - they just want some hostages to exchange for their own prisoners.
The DNR has accused them of that plenty of times before, of capturing and holding civilians to ransom in exchange for their own war criminals.

Pavel Dremov has been murdered. A bomb under his car when he was travelling to his own wedding.
May God rest his soul. A real hero.

http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2697461&2697461

Everything russian has basically been exiled and murdered in the Donbass. No one can challenge the khazar oligarch elite in power in Russia/Ukraine.

I can seriously say I openly hate and despise what the Kremlin and the Russian federation stands for. They destroyed everything good, honest and decent in the Donbass, a region with good propects. And for what? To please their bloody "partners", seriously just feck off.

Monarchist wrote:Pavel Dremov has been murdered. A bomb under his car when he was travelling to his own wedding.
May God rest his soul. A real hero.

http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2697461&2697461

Everything russian has basically been exiled and murdered in the Donbass. No one can challenge the khazar oligarch elite in power in Russia/Ukraine.

I can seriously say I openly hate and despise what the Kremlin and the Russian federation stands for. They destroyed everything good, honest and decent in the Donbass, a region with good propects. And for what? To please their bloody "partners", seriously just feck off.

And what evidence do you have that it was Kremlin that did it? You are just as bad as the other side where they blame Kremlin for all faults in life.

This was clearly an act of terrorism and probably by SBU.

sepheronx wrote:

Monarchist wrote:Pavel Dremov has been murdered. A bomb under his car when he was travelling to his own wedding.
May God rest his soul. A real hero.

http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2697461&2697461

Everything russian has basically been exiled and murdered in the Donbass. No one can challenge the khazar oligarch elite in power in Russia/Ukraine.

I can seriously say I openly hate and despise what the Kremlin and the Russian federation stands for. They destroyed everything good, honest and decent in the Donbass, a region with good propects. And for what? To please their bloody "partners", seriously just feck off.

And what evidence do you have that it was Kremlin that did it?  You are just as bad as the other side where they blame Kremlin for all faults in life.

This was clearly an act of terrorism and probably by SBU.

Deep inside LNR territory?! yeah right, just like Bednov, Mozgovoy, Ischenko...
All murdered by Plotnitsky head of LNR, appointed by Moscow.

Dremov was murdered by the "odd" people in Lugansk. After the murder of Ischenko it became obvious about Lugansk, the murders of Bednov and Mozgovoi simply added confirmation. It was said when Mozgovoi was mudered that Dremov will be next and that he needs to become very quiet, or leave LNR. He became quiet, but that was not enough to save him from those who control Lugansk. Anybody who continues to deny the obvious is pissing against the wind.

And pray tell, who and why would murder him? What do they gain out of it other than suspicion and disdain?

Answer who would kill Ischenko, Bednov and Mozgovoi, answer why all in LNR and not Donetsk, answer why these men were men of the people and not ass lickers, answer why there was a bomb in Dremov's car and this was not a roadside IED or ambush by "SBU"....

Khepesh wrote:Answer who would kill Ischenko, Bednov and Mozgovoi, answer why all in LNR and not Donetsk, answer why these men were men of the people and not ass lickers, answer why there was a bomb in Dremov's car and this was not a roadside IED or ambush by "SBU"....

That isn't an answer. So your views may just be as unfounded. So you are saying that LNR is secretly Pro Ukrainian and causing any setback? Or is it that these people were a threat to their rule in LNR? Talking in rhyms will not help your cause either.

sepheronx wrote:This was clearly an act of terrorism and probably by SBU.

The Kremlin is more to blame for this murder than the SBU.

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

sepheronx wrote:This was clearly an act of terrorism and probably by SBU.

The Kremlin is more to blame for this murder than the SBU.

And why is that? Because they didn't take LNR and DNR into its arms?

sepheronx wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Answer who would kill Ischenko, Bednov and Mozgovoi, answer why all in LNR and not Donetsk, answer why these men were men of the people and not ass lickers, answer why there was a bomb in Dremov's car and this was not a roadside IED or ambush by "SBU"....

That isn't an answer.  So your views may just be as unfounded.  So you are saying that LNR is secretly Pro Ukrainian and causing any setback?  Or is it that these people were a threat to their rule in LNR?  Talking in rhyms will not help your cause either.

It was a perfectly good answer....
When Mozgovoi was killed the reaction here was partly of the variety, "Well, unfortunate, but he wasn't really a good guy, bla bla bla". I said at the time that Dremov will be next, yet that was simply brushed aside among a flurry of posts desperately defending Plotnitsky and trying to blacken anybody who actually supports Novorossiya. You may not be able to see any connection between these four murders, but it does not take Sherlock Holmes to work it out....

Khepesh wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Answer who would kill Ischenko, Bednov and Mozgovoi, answer why all in LNR and not Donetsk, answer why these men were men of the people and not ass lickers, answer why there was a bomb in Dremov's car and this was not a roadside IED or ambush by "SBU"....

That isn't an answer.  So your views may just be as unfounded.  So you are saying that LNR is secretly Pro Ukrainian and causing any setback?  Or is it that these people were a threat to their rule in LNR?  Talking in rhyms will not help your cause either.

It was a perfectly good answer....
When Mozgovoi was killed the reaction here was partly of the variety, "Well, unfortunate, but he wasn't really a good guy, bla bla bla". I said at the time that Dremov will be next, yet that was simply brushed aside among a flurry of posts desperately defending Plotnitsky and trying to blacken anybody who actually supports Novorossiya. You may not be able to see any connection between these four murders, but it does not take Sherlock Holmes to work it out....

Ok, so they kill off these guys.  So then what is the point of still keeping LNR separate from Ukraine if they do not support the whole Novorossiya plan?  It would effectively make this whole debate pointless as if they are part of the criminal Ukrainian oligarches, then LNR would not be fighting Kiev's troops as well.

If it is for them to create their own entity rather than joining DNR as well, then it may make more sense.

sepheronx wrote:

Ok, so they kill off these guys.  So then what is the point of still keeping LNR separate from Ukraine if they do not support the whole Novorossiya plan?  It would effectively make this whole debate pointless as if they are part of the criminal Ukrainian oligarches, then LNR would not be fighting Kiev's troops as well.

If it is for them to create their own entity rather than joining DNR as well, then it may make more sense.

To an extent the people who wanted Novorossiya, or in the case of Mozgovoi at least a Ukraine with Russia and free of the fascists and oligarchs, have been silenced or killed. Behind the scenes are politicians and oligarchs who while not wanting maidan, did not want a rebellion either. These people are simply removing those who oppose them openly, such as Mozgovoi, or would act against them. To these grey people, and some like Akhmetov not so grey, simply wanting to create a seperate state or an anschlus with Russia is to be beaten by any means. I suspect that if Purgin had held office in Lugansk and not Donetsk, then he would not have simply dissapeared into the basement for four days, but have been killed. What happens is not about "the people", it is about power and money and the elimination of those who are honest and are really "for the people". Before this war Lugansk was corrupt almost beyond comprehension, not the people, but the city and regional administration and it's apparat including the police. These still mostly remain.

If this was the case, and them simply "killing people of the people and people wanting separate state and or part of Russia" would not be waging this war against Kiev either.  LNR is getting bombed and killed much like Donetsk, so your point is moot and goes contrary to what is actually happening and they would simply be part of Ukraine and not fighting, as they would get far more money out of it.  What you are saying simply not only makes no sense, but goes in contrary to what these corrupt officials would want as it eats into their funding.

As anyone with half a brain can tell, even though they "talk of novorussian project is dead", don't seem to see the fact that both Lugansk and Donetsk region is getting shelled even today, and innocent people are dying. So the question is raised, if these people in power are against the idea of separation and novorussia, then why is there fighting at all? In what purpose would there be to continue conflict? Lives lost means money lost and the corrupt people of Lugansk is losing dollars. So once again, it goes in contrary to what you guys are claiming.

Try again.  Please explain to me why they would do this.

sepheronx wrote:

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

sepheronx wrote:This was clearly an act of terrorism and probably by SBU.

The Kremlin is more to blame for this murder than the SBU.

And why is that?  Because they didn't take LNR and DNR into its arms?

Because the Kremlin is supporting the corrupt elites in Donbass.
The Kremlin dislikes idealist people like Mozgovoi and wants them gone.

sepheronx wrote:ISo the question is raised, if these people in power are against the idea of separation and novorussia, then why is there fighting at all?  In what purpose would there be to continue conflict?  Lives lost means money lost and the corrupt people of Lugansk is losing dollars.  So once again, it goes in contrary to what you guys are claiming.

For better terms from Kiev and staying in power.
Kiev's forces are fighting for the same, better terms (capitulation of Donbass rather than Minsk II) and the continuation of Poroshenko's rule.