The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

Rodinazombie wrote:According to the live feed above, the OSCE mission is planning to leave donetsk city at 6am, we all know that rats flee when it gets too hot, so if true this may well be an indicator of things to come if their withdrawal isnt something that was pre-planned.

Rodinazombie wrote:Heres the full report from vkontakte

Vkontakte wrote:"VSU launched an attack across the front line. The fighting goes across the front line. The main areas of clashes are Volnovaha, Lugansk, Mariupol, Avdeevka, Yasinovataya and Gorlovka. MAT launched an attack around 18:00. The first clash occurred in Adveevke. The fighting began immediately, using heavy artillery, small arms and large. The siloviki are not particularly aim, as under fire hit Kiev region of Donetsk. The shells lay on the street Vasil, Timur and Kurchatov. Are fixed entering the houses. It is also one of the shells flew up to Makeyevka, falling on the street Metallurgical.

The enemy continues to pull forces to the area Starognatovki. Exploration DNI fixed columns promotion APU toward White Kamenka, after which it was dealt artillery strike. At security forces heavy losses. About two dozen guns moved from Mariupol to Sahanku and October. At the same time strengthen their own positions VSU in the area Kurakhovo. It seems that the enemy fears the army troops break the NPT, which has once again defeated the security forces in the district of Donetsk airport for Marinka.

Less than an hour ago, we were attacked settlements and Spartak Yasinovataya. The shelling was carried out by the artillery krupnostvolnoy Avdeevka. About 20 minutes ago from Avdeevka also came under fire district Putilovki shell hit the house at Grove Street Putilovskaya 12.

At the moment, the militia emerged a meet Ukrainian troops from the settlement in October. Fights were fastened under Gnutova and Pavlopolem. DNR Army launched a counterattack at Gorlovka Avdeevka. Retreating, the VSU is applied randomly shelling residential areas Avdeevka. Locals report about arriving in Chervonogvardeyku.

On the territory of the LC are fighting in the village of Lugansk and Popasnaya. Both sides are actively used all kinds of weapons.

Just under a flared Chillmere and granite. Militia managed to take control of the height of 209.6. Shelling continues to suffer Gorlovka.

Thus, the fighting intensified across the front line, which indicates that the VSU transferred to the active phase of the offensive. "

If you understand russian, follow the link and get live updates to the situation

http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2335394.html

Rodinazombie wrote:

Khepesh, have you seen this video before or is it fresh?

Reportedly its grads being used outside donetsk, unsure whose exactly as it just says под донецком.

Cowboy's daughter wrote:& this, if it's to be trusted...

sepheronx wrote:

Rodinazombie wrote:Heres the full report from vkontakte

Vkontakte wrote:"VSU launched an attack across the front line. The fighting goes across the front line. The main areas of clashes are Volnovaha, Lugansk, Mariupol, Avdeevka, Yasinovataya and Gorlovka. MAT launched an attack around 18:00. The first clash occurred in Adveevke. The fighting began immediately, using heavy artillery, small arms and large. The siloviki are not particularly aim, as under fire hit Kiev region of Donetsk. The shells lay on the street Vasil, Timur and Kurchatov. Are fixed entering the houses. It is also one of the shells flew up to Makeyevka, falling on the street Metallurgical.

The enemy continues to pull forces to the area Starognatovki. Exploration DNI fixed columns promotion APU toward White Kamenka, after which it was dealt artillery strike. At security forces heavy losses. About two dozen guns moved from Mariupol to Sahanku and October. At the same time strengthen their own positions VSU in the area Kurakhovo. It seems that the enemy fears the army troops break the NPT, which has once again defeated the security forces in the district of Donetsk airport for Marinka.

Less than an hour ago, we were attacked settlements and Spartak Yasinovataya. The shelling was carried out by the artillery krupnostvolnoy Avdeevka. About 20 minutes ago from Avdeevka also came under fire district Putilovki shell hit the house at Grove Street Putilovskaya 12.

At the moment, the militia emerged a meet Ukrainian troops from the settlement in October. Fights were fastened under Gnutova and Pavlopolem. DNR Army launched a counterattack at Gorlovka Avdeevka. Retreating, the VSU is applied randomly shelling residential areas Avdeevka. Locals report about arriving in Chervonogvardeyku.

On the territory of the LC are fighting in the village of Lugansk and Popasnaya. Both sides are actively used all kinds of weapons.

Just under a flared Chillmere and granite. Militia managed to take control of the height of 209.6. Shelling continues to suffer Gorlovka.

Thus, the fighting intensified across the front line, which indicates that the VSU transferred to the active phase of the offensive. "

If you understand russian, follow the link and get live updates to the situation

http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2335394.html

So if I am reading this right, at Donetsk Airport and soldiers coming through from Mariupol got wiped out by NAF?  If so, good.

Khepesh wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:& this, if it's to be trusted...

I would give maybe 60% possibility they are true, which is better than last year when I would give them 25%

This could all still be very heavy provocation, but if it's true about OSCE, then probably we have a war now.

Rodinazombie wrote:

Khepesh wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:& this, if it's to be trusted...

I would give maybe 60% possibility they are true, which is better than last year when I would give them 25%

This could all still be very heavy provocation, but if it's true about OSCE, then probably we have a war now.

What provocation? I cant see CDs post for some reason...

JohninMK wrote:

Chersonesus wrote:

ATO wounded are being taken as far as Odessa for treatment. I wonder how much spare capacity the Ukrop medical system has.

I was reading and now can't find the link, that the US has supplied at least one major field hospital, complete with loads of medicines and other stuff with replacement supplies for the next 18 months. This is one area in which a lot of NATO expertise has been deployed. Treatment of the injured should be totally different to last time.

PapaDragon wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

Chersonesus wrote:

ATO wounded are being taken as far as Odessa for treatment. I wonder how much spare capacity the Ukrop medical system has.

I was reading and now can't find the link, that the US has supplied at least one major field hospital, complete with loads of medicines and other stuff with replacement supplies for the next 18 months. This is one area in which a lot of NATO expertise has been deployed. Treatment of the injured should be totally different to last time.

Given the UAF track record' those 18 months sound quite optimistic to me...

Rodinazombie wrote:At least tonights actions are following the usual pattern so far:

Heavy barrage by ukies
Attack by ukies
Counter fire from VSN
Ukies blame VSN for escalation of hostilities.

Still to come....

OSCE pin points arty fire from rebels yet is unable to find evidence of ukie shelling
US state department is disappointed at russia not sticking to the minsk agreement and calls for more support in order to preserve democracy.

KoTeMoRe wrote:Lel did they banned Ruthenius again?

Thanks, I'm fine. We are still in the rear. The movement of equipment across our city significantly reduced. Sounds of gunfire barely audible. Sometimes I hear shelling when Gorlovka. In my town everyday life continues. wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Lel did they banned Ruthenius again?

Yes. (I went to check.)

O.M.G., I heard from DonCity!! I'd sent her a pvt message, and she replied a long msg, with info and photos.

I sent her another one inviting her to come here and join the forum. I really, really, really hope she does.

She says she's fine. I hope she'll come and post the info she shared with me, and the photos, on this forum.

She did say that where she lives "those killed ....at last count: 100 civilians, 50 soldiers, 60 people were lost in)."

& I'll share this:

I forgot to look and see what day she posted this to me.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

Chersonesus wrote:

ATO wounded are being taken as far as Odessa for treatment. I wonder how much spare capacity the Ukrop medical system has.

I was reading and now can't find the link, that the US has supplied at least one major field hospital, complete with loads of medicines and other stuff with replacement supplies for the next 18 months. This is one area in which a lot of NATO expertise has been deployed. Treatment of the injured should be totally different to last time.

Given the UAF track record' those 18 months sound quite optimistic to me...

My worries are that UAF won't fare any better than last time, if the Crimean Rumour is to be believed. This time It will be Tide Wind Time, aka Tsunami.

PapaDragon wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Lel did they banned Ruthenius again?

Yes. (I went to check.)

O.M.G., I heard from DonCity!! I'd sent her a pvt message, and she replied a long msg, with info and photos.

I sent her another one inviting her to come here and join the forum. I really, really, really hope she does.

She says she's fine. I hope she'll come and post the info she shared with me, and the photos, on this forum.

She did say that where she lives "those killed ....at last count: 100 civilians, 50 soldiers, 60 people were lost in)."

& I'll share this:

I forgot to look and see what day she posted this to me.

Good to hear about DonCity, hope she joins us here. Nice work contacting her CD.

What about Ruthenius? Where did they ban him from?

According to several reports received by New Cold War.org, many Ukrainian men, joined by their spouses in some cases, have taken refuge in the two regions which the Kyiv regime’s ‘ATO’ has failed to conquer—Crimea and Donbas. This is ironic because many of these people are strident, pro-Maidan nationalists who supported the February 2014 coup.

Crimea is a preferred destination over Russia for nationalists to flee for a variety of reasons.

For one, it is relatively easy to flee there. Apart from very lengthy queues, there are no formal barriers to entry to Crimea from Ukraine.

Two, nationalists can console themselves that, according to their myths and beliefs, and according to official Ukrainian government policy, they have not left Ukraine at all. Crimea is considered by them as “Ukrainian” territory. No doubt, many of those fleeing to Crimea also hope that the myth of Crimea as Ukrainian territory will shield from the wrath of their fellow nationalists and the wrath of whatever government is in power when and if they return home.

Thirdly, and this will come as a surprise to those who take Western media propaganda as good coin, pro-Ukrainian nationalists have freedom of expression in Crimea. Here is a part of a report received by New Cold War.org from a correspondent in Ukraine who recently returned from Crimea:

A lot of Maidan nationalists (especially of the middle class) write and post from Thailand, India, Turkey and other countries, calling upon Ukrainians at home to “defend the country” while they live comfortably abroad.

As for the children of our rich businessmen and officials living abroad, there are a lot of jokes circulating on social media and in online media in Ukraine of how these “volunteer battalions” abroad are bravely defending Ukraine from “Russian aggression”… as they write from Paris and London. The brave writers have trouble pointing to evidence of Russian soldiers in their midst, but they soldier on in defending Europe from the Russian threat they say exists.

In Crimea, I met many Ukrainian nationalists who come from western Ukraine and Kyiv. They wear symbolic Ukrainian dress and carry national flags and badges. No one touches them so long as they don’t provoke the local people.

I noted in speaking to some of them that they are angry with Petro Poroshenko. According to them, the “lost territories” (Crimea and Donbas) should be retaken (and the local populations deported to Russia). But not by themselves, they explain, because they say they are the “national elite” that is needed for the future resurrection of Ukraine. (End report citation.)

BKP wrote:Pretty interesting and fairly lengthy piece in Counterpunch today:

Ukrainians are Voting With Their Feet Against War and Economic Disaster
Roger Annis, 08/12/15

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/12/ukrainians-are-voting-with-their-feet-against-war-and-economic-disaster/

There's a few different things in there. The first is about some new apps widely consulted by draftable Ukie males to avoid getting publicly shang-hai'd for use as canon fodder in Donbass by ubiquitous, roving government goon squads. Obviously, the ones "recruited" in this manner are going to make for some shitty, ultra-unmotivated troops.

Another section discusses the various official "waves" or "recruitment drives." They've been generally dismal, as has been reported before. However, the 5th one was perhaps somewhat less so. However, I'm not familiar with the source he quotes for the stats, so can't vouch for their veracity. And, of course, it's Ukraine, so... *cough*.

This is what I found most interesting, however:

According to several reports received by New Cold War.org, many Ukrainian men, joined by their spouses in some cases, have taken refuge in the two regions which the Kyiv regime’s ‘ATO’ has failed to conquer—Crimea and Donbas. This is ironic because many of these people are strident, pro-Maidan nationalists who supported the February 2014 coup.

Crimea is a preferred destination over Russia for nationalists to flee for a variety of reasons.

For one, it is relatively easy to flee there. Apart from very lengthy queues, there are no formal barriers to entry to Crimea from Ukraine.

Two, nationalists can console themselves that, according to their myths and beliefs, and according to official Ukrainian government policy, they have not left Ukraine at all. Crimea is considered by them as “Ukrainian” territory. No doubt, many of those fleeing to Crimea also hope that the myth of Crimea as Ukrainian territory will shield from the wrath of their fellow nationalists and the wrath of whatever government is in power when and if they return home.

Thirdly, and this will come as a surprise to those who take Western media propaganda as good coin, pro-Ukrainian nationalists have freedom of expression in Crimea. Here is a part of a report received by New Cold War.org from a correspondent in Ukraine who recently returned from Crimea:

A lot of Maidan nationalists (especially of the middle class) write and post from Thailand, India, Turkey and other countries, calling upon Ukrainians at home to “defend the country” while they live comfortably abroad.

As for the children of our rich businessmen and officials living abroad, there are a lot of jokes circulating on social media and in online media in Ukraine of how these “volunteer battalions” abroad are bravely defending Ukraine from “Russian aggression”… as they write from Paris and London. The brave writers have trouble pointing to evidence of Russian soldiers in their midst, but they soldier on in defending Europe from the Russian threat they say exists.

In Crimea, I met many Ukrainian nationalists who come from western Ukraine and Kyiv. They wear symbolic Ukrainian dress and carry national flags and badges. No one touches them so long as they don’t provoke the local people.

I noted in speaking to some of them that they are angry with Petro Poroshenko. According to them, the “lost territories” (Crimea and Donbas) should be retaken (and the local populations deported to Russia). But not by themselves, they explain, because they say they are the “national elite” that is needed for the future resurrection of Ukraine. (End report citation.)

If true, they might make a perfect 5th column to provide the necessary tinder. Just send in some agents provocateurs and stir up conflict. Then, on cue, the Orwellian Western MSM dutifully lie and say that these are the "true Crimeans, viciously oppressed by Russian thugs," and turn them into the casus belli US warmongers seem to be longing for. Maybe I'm paranoid, but allowing those assholes in does not strike me as a good idea. But, who knows, maybe they're just a bunch of cowardly Maidan jumpers who talk a lot but do f**k all except flee to live in sleeping bags, otherwise they would've enlisted, right?  

BTW, has armed conflict restarted?

KoTeMoRe wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

Chersonesus wrote:

ATO wounded are being taken as far as Odessa for treatment. I wonder how much spare capacity the Ukrop medical system has.

I was reading and now can't find the link, that the US has supplied at least one major field hospital, complete with loads of medicines and other stuff with replacement supplies for the next 18 months. This is one area in which a lot of NATO expertise has been deployed. Treatment of the injured should be totally different to last time.

Given the UAF track record' those 18 months sound quite optimistic to me...

My worries are that UAF won't fare any better than last time, if the Crimean Rumour is to be believed. This time It will be Tide Wind Time, aka Tsunami.