The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

whir wrote:

TASS wrote:Russian diplomat: use of OSCE flag by NATO military observers in Ukraine unacceptable
World  May 07, 15:37 UTC+3

According to Kelin, "initiatives have emerged when some people operate under the OSCE flag, but, in actual fact, they have nothing to do with the OSCE"

VIENNA, May 7. /TASS/. Russia deems it inadmissible to use the OSCE "flag" in the work of military observers from NATO member-countries in eastern Ukraine, Russia’s envoy to OSCE Andrey Kelin told reporters on Thursday.
"Such initiatives under the ‘flag’ of the OSCE are absolutely unacceptable, they are unilateral and biased, it’s an abuse of confidence-building measures," he said. Continue reading.

macedonian wrote:

whir wrote:

TASS wrote:Russian diplomat: use of OSCE flag by NATO military observers in Ukraine unacceptable
World  May 07, 15:37 UTC+3

According to Kelin, "initiatives have emerged when some people operate under the OSCE flag, but, in actual fact, they have nothing to do with the OSCE"

VIENNA, May 7. /TASS/. Russia deems it inadmissible to use the OSCE "flag" in the work of military observers from NATO member-countries in eastern Ukraine, Russia’s envoy to OSCE Andrey Kelin told reporters on Thursday.
"Such initiatives under the ‘flag’ of the OSCE are absolutely unacceptable, they are unilateral and biased, it’s an abuse of confidence-building measures," he said. Continue reading.

Typical West/USA. They use organizations like the OSCE and the Red Cross (not to mention a plethora of journalists and NGOs) as a proxy (breaking every rule and convention there is) but preach "Human rights and democracy" to others. The hypocrisy is just effin' too much!!! Seen it happen many times and still irritates me on the same level as the first time.

Airbornewolf wrote:uch,.....anyway. i could write down an rant, but you probably know by now how i look at these things Macedonian.

Monarchist wrote:Mozgovoy basically said that those rule LPR, DPR are traitors and working against what the revolution in Donbass stood for.
I'm not going to post everything and be somekind of boring negative, figure on this board so people leave because of me, but the situation is catastrophic.
All units, commanders that stood for social equality, against oligarchs, pro-Novorussia are either removed, killed or their units destroyed.


For those of you that can read russian: https://vk.com/id265927036?w=wall265927036_88938

Neutrality wrote:It's going to be a colossal clusterfuck for alot of the Westerners on Ukrainian territory if partisan activity becomes higher. I wonder what will happen if a few of these American paratroopers will be publically lynched. Will the USA declare war on Ukraine?

TheArmenian wrote:

Monarchist wrote:Mozgovoy basically said that those rule LPR, DPR are traitors and working against what the revolution in Donbass stood for.
I'm not going to post everything and be somekind of boring negative, figure on this board so people leave because of me, but the situation is catastrophic.
All units, commanders that stood for social equality, against oligarchs, pro-Novorussia are either removed, killed or their units destroyed.


For those of you that can read russian: https://vk.com/id265927036?w=wall265927036_88938

Don't be shy. This is not mp.net.
Your opinions about this conflict are known to most members here. People may not agree with you on your views, but you are welcome to  post them.
I certainly will read what you post. I may not agree with you, but I will definitely respect your opinion.
This is a forum for discussions after all. Not a hornet's nest like mp.net.

Terra via Google Translate wrote:(UE) RETRASA ELIMINACION DE VISA A LOS UCRANIANOS
(EU) DISPOSAL OF VISA DELAYED TO UKRAINIANS
Raymundo Rangel 7 MAY 2015 13h35

MEXICO, Infosel, May. 7. The European Union (EU) announced Thursday that delayed the removal of the visa to allow Ukrainian citizens travel on European territory.

The former deputy prime minister and former director of the Central Bank Sergey Arbuzov said that the determination of the EU due to the crisis being experienced by Ukraine.

"The why not the Schengen visa Ukraine is not that the country does not meet the conditions are deleted. Long time Kiev meets all indicating you from Brussels. The main reason lies in the catastrophic state in which is primarily the state and its economy, "Arbuzov wrote in an article for the Ukrainian daily Izvestia quoted by RIA Novosti.

In addition, European representatives argued that action was taken because although Ukraine has met several things the agency has requested have not yet fulfilled all the reforms to remove Ukraine from the crisis.

In addition to this, the EU has not indicated a possible date could remove the visa. Continue reading.

VZ via Google Translate wrote:Порошенко призвал ООН ввести миротворцев в Донбасс
Poroshenko called for UN peacekeepers to enter the Donbass
May 7, 2015, 20:57

President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko at a meeting with UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon called for the organization in Poland to send to the Donbass peacekeeping mission, the press service of the Ukrainian leader.

"Poroshenko said that the UN should play a greater role in resolving the situation in the Donbas and in particular, to send a peacekeeping mission," - said on the website President Ukraine.

"The head of state also stressed that in the conflict zone - a complex humanitarian situation and lack of access and the possibility of supply of Ukrainian and international humanitarian assistance," - noted the press service. Continue reading.

VZ via Google Translate wrote:Жителям Днепропетровска раздали «новые украинские георгиевские ленточки»
Residents were given Dnepropetrovsk "new Ukrainian St. George ribbons"
May 7, 2015, 21:41

In Dnepropetrovsk distribute new Ukrainian symbol of victory - a blue-gray ribbon of memory, similar in appearance to the St. George's ribbon, eyewitnesses and local media.

"In Dnepropetrovsk, the crowd of students distributing it with the words:" The new Ukrainian St. George Ribbon ", - wrote in Victoria April's Twitter , attaching a photo of the tape.


‏@vij_ackson

According to the deputy city council Elena Bocharnikova, on the eve of May 9 all the inhabitants of the city will be free to get the new symbol of victory - "memory tape." "We are distributing ribbons organizations and schools. In schools, we tell the children how this symbol appeared, and what it means, because children do not have to wear a symbol whose meaning they do not know, "- added Bocharnikova, reports "Channel 34". Continue reading.

VZ via Google Translate wrote:Порошенко поблагодарил отказавшихся от участия в параде Победы в Москве
Poroshenko thanked refused to participate in the Victory Parade in Moscow
May 7, 2015, 22:31

President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko in the Polish Gdansk, said he was grateful to world leaders, who refused to participate in the May 9 parade in Moscow.

2On behalf of the people of Ukraine, I am grateful to many of the world leaders for refusing to participate in the parade in Moscow", - said Poroshenko.

According to him, "in the May 9 parade in Moscow will be demonstrated by a weapon that is used in the East of Ukraine", reports "Interfax" .
The head of the Duma Committee for International Affairs Alexei Pushkov said on Twitter : "In Gdansk Poroshenko thanked those who did not go to Moscow on May 9. But Kiev is not going to help. Come many leaders. The boycott did not take place. ". Continue reading.

Monarchist wrote:Mozgovoy basically said that those rule LPR, DPR are traitors and working against what the revolution in Donbass stood for.
I'm not going to post everything and be somekind of boring negative, figure on this board so people leave because of me, but the situation is catastrophic.
All units, commanders that stood for social equality, against oligarchs, pro-Novorussia are either removed, killed or their units destroyed.


For those of you that can read russian: https://vk.com/id265927036?w=wall265927036_88938

Monarchist wrote:Mozgovoy basically said that those rule LPR, DPR are traitors and working against what the revolution in Donbass stood for.
I'm not going to post everything and be somekind of boring negative, figure on this board so people leave because of me, but the situation is catastrophic.
All units, commanders that stood for social equality, against oligarchs, pro-Novorussia are either removed, killed or their units destroyed.


For those of you that can read russian: https://vk.com/id265927036?w=wall265927036_88938

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

Neutrality wrote:It's going to be a colossal clusterfuck for alot of the Westerners on Ukrainian territory if partisan activity becomes higher. I wonder what will happen if a few of these American paratroopers will be publically lynched. Will the USA declare war on Ukraine?

I honestly don't think any partisan will be heading that deep into fascist held territory to deliver the hurt to the Banderovites and their Western trainers. There is a good reason why they are training in Lvov and not Kharkov.

I really hope that the partisans will be smart enough to not touch the foreigners or local citizenry. Doing so only hurts their cause. I personally would like to see them hit more government and infrastructure targets as well an increase in hits on the military and the volunteer battalions. While Novorossiyan forces are bound by the ceasefire, the brave partisans could cripple the failed state of Ukraine even further and strike where the DNR/LNR cannot.

flamming_python wrote:

Monarchist wrote:Mozgovoy basically said that those rule LPR, DPR are traitors and working against what the revolution in Donbass stood for.
I'm not going to post everything and be somekind of boring negative, figure on this board so people leave because of me, but the situation is catastrophic.
All units, commanders that stood for social equality, against oligarchs, pro-Novorussia are either removed, killed or their units destroyed.


For those of you that can read russian: https://vk.com/id265927036?w=wall265927036_88938

And just what did the 'revolution in Donbass' stand for?

whir wrote:

Terra via Google Translate wrote:(UE) RETRASA ELIMINACION DE VISA A LOS UCRANIANOS
(EU) DISPOSAL OF VISA DELAYED TO UKRAINIANS
Raymundo Rangel 7 MAY 2015 13h35

MEXICO, Infosel, May. 7. The European Union (EU) announced Thursday that delayed the removal of the visa to allow Ukrainian citizens travel on European territory.

The former deputy prime minister and former director of the Central Bank Sergey Arbuzov said that the determination of the EU due to the crisis being experienced by Ukraine.

"The why not the Schengen visa Ukraine is not that the country does not meet the conditions are deleted. Long time Kiev meets all indicating you from Brussels. The main reason lies in the catastrophic state in which is primarily the state and its economy, "Arbuzov wrote in an article for the Ukrainian daily Izvestia quoted by RIA Novosti.

In addition, European representatives argued that action was taken because although Ukraine has met several things the agency has requested have not yet fulfilled all the reforms to remove Ukraine from the crisis.

In addition to this, the EU has not indicated a possible date could remove the visa. Continue reading.

I'm surprised. Probably because I'm ignorant.   I'm wondering if Ukrainians thought it would happen now, and how angry they may be?

VZ via Google Translate wrote:Порошенко призвал ООН ввести миротворцев в Донбасс
Poroshenko called for UN peacekeepers to enter the Donbass
May 7, 2015, 20:57

President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko at a meeting with UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon called for the organization in Poland to send to the Donbass peacekeeping mission, the press service of the Ukrainian leader.

"Poroshenko said that the UN should play a greater role in resolving the situation in the Donbas and in particular, to send a peacekeeping mission," - said on the website President Ukraine.

"The head of state also stressed that in the conflict zone - a complex humanitarian situation and lack of access and the possibility of supply of Ukrainian and international humanitarian assistance," - noted the press service. Continue reading.

Poroshenko certainly keeps wanting Peacekeepers.

VZ via Google Translate wrote:Жителям Днепропетровска раздали «новые украинские георгиевские ленточки»
Residents were given Dnepropetrovsk "new Ukrainian St. George ribbons"
May 7, 2015, 21:41

In Dnepropetrovsk distribute new Ukrainian symbol of victory - a blue-gray ribbon of memory, similar in appearance to the St. George's ribbon, eyewitnesses and local media.

"In Dnepropetrovsk, the crowd of students distributing it with the words:" The new Ukrainian St. George Ribbon ", - wrote in Victoria April's Twitter , attaching a photo of the tape.


‏@vij_ackson

According to the deputy city council Elena Bocharnikova, on the eve of May 9 all the inhabitants of the city will be free to get the new symbol of victory - "memory tape." "We are distributing ribbons organizations and schools. In schools, we tell the children how this symbol appeared, and what it means, because children do not have to wear a symbol whose meaning they do not know, "- added Bocharnikova, reports "Channel 34". Continue reading.

Shades of Big Brother. I wonder who came up with that idea?

VZ via Google Translate wrote:Порошенко поблагодарил отказавшихся от участия в параде Победы в Москве
Poroshenko thanked refused to participate in the Victory Parade in Moscow
May 7, 2015, 22:31

President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko in the Polish Gdansk, said he was grateful to world leaders, who refused to participate in the May 9 parade in Moscow.

2On behalf of the people of Ukraine, I am grateful to many of the world leaders for refusing to participate in the parade in Moscow", - said Poroshenko.

According to him, "in the May 9 parade in Moscow will be demonstrated by a weapon that is used in the East of Ukraine", reports "Interfax" .
The head of the Duma Committee for International Affairs Alexei Pushkov said on Twitter : "In Gdansk Poroshenko thanked those who did not go to Moscow on May 9. But Kiev is not going to help. Come many leaders. The boycott did not take place. ". Continue reading.

flamming_python wrote:

Monarchist wrote:Mozgovoy basically said that those rule LPR, DPR are traitors and working against what the revolution in Donbass stood for.
I'm not going to post everything and be somekind of boring negative, figure on this board so people leave because of me, but the situation is catastrophic.
All units, commanders that stood for social equality, against oligarchs, pro-Novorussia are either removed, killed or their units destroyed.


For those of you that can read russian: https://vk.com/id265927036?w=wall265927036_88938

And just what did the 'revolution in Donbass' stand for?

Because I followed the conflict from the start and I have no idea.
There was no ideology, there was just a rebellion against Kiev, for many different reasons and among large cross-sections of the population with all sorts of political views. The people that led and fought for them had a kaleidoscope of different poltiical views; from USSR-loyalists, to ex-Berkut and other former Ukrainian siloviks with a bone to pick against Kiev's new rulers, to monarchists like Strelkov, to a former neo-Nazi militia member like Gubarev.
They got volunteers from across the globe, again with all sorts of different views and under different motivations - left-wing Spaniards, Americans and Latin Americans that came to fight fascists, Russian ultra-nationalists that came to fight Ukrainians, Italian nationalists who came to fight Americans, Ossetian volunteers that came to repay Russia for support in the Georgian war, Chechen volunteers that were sent by Kadyrov, and all sorts of Russian military specialists that volunteered or were ordered to go by their leadership.

They are not even united as to whether they want to split off, liberate the rest of Novorussia, liberate the whole of Ukraine, join Russia, stay in the Ukraine, etc,,,
The only real thing all these groups and individuals have in common is that they are against Kiev.

KIEV, May 8. /TASS/. Ukrainian veterans of the Great Patriotic War are offended and humiliated morally and socially by actions of the current authorities, head of Kiev’s city veteran organization Nikolay Martynov told TASS on Friday. In particular, veterans are discontent with ban on Soviet symbols, transfer of the Defender of the Fatherland Day, cut in social payments, Martynov added. "We are very hurt that they practically took away the Defender of the Fatherland Day from us by transferring it to October 14 - day of establishing the Ukrainian Insurgent Army. They practically took away the meaning of the Great Patriotic War by replacing it with expulsion of Nazi occupants from Europe. A Verkhovna Rada law prohibits us from using symbols of our great victory," the veteran noted. wrote:

Evgeny Buzhinsky has spent much of his professional life with the threat of global nuclear destruction hanging over his head. A lifelong Russian military officer, he earned his PhD in military sciences in 1982, just as the Cold War was entering its most dangerous period, and served in the Soviet general staff during an arms race that several times came perilously close to triggering a nuclear war that neither side wanted. Buzhinsky retired a lieutenant general in 2009, after a long career on the Russian general staff, including several years heading the Russian Defense Ministry's international treaty agency, which brought him into frequent contact with European and American generals over some of the most contentious issues of the post–Cold War era. He now heads the PIR Center, a well-respected Russian think tank that focuses on military, national security, and arms control issues. Amanda Taub and I met last week with Buzhinsky at a cafe in Moscow to ask him about a topic that is being increasingly discussed in certain policy circles in Washington, Moscow, and NATO's headquarters in Brussels: the fear that tensions between Russia and the West could spiral into an unwanted war, perhaps even nuclear war. As a true veteran of the Cold War, not to mention someone who had only recently left the highest ranks of the Russian military, he seemed like the right person to ask. wrote:

Erk wrote:
I don't think it was a revolution with something to stand for, it is a war of secession

Erk wrote:Crimea joining the Russian Federation made Donbass want to do that too. However the demographics were wrong, Crimea was a peninsula almost an isolated island where most people spoke Russian, Donbass has a must lower percentage of Russian, and the territorial boundaries are not clear cut like Crimea. That said, the citizens of Donbass have been proven correct in fearing the rise of fascism in Kiev, and the death toll it brings with it. I don't think many people there would like to go back to join Kiev any longer.

whir wrote:Why no one is posting?

Sputnik wrote:Homicide Blonde: 19-Year-Old Neo-Nazi Arrested Following Robbery, Murder
EUROPE 16:03 07.05.2015(updated 16:14 07.05.2015)

Kiev prosecutors have reported the arrest of 19-year-old Aidar Battalion volunteer Vita Zaverukha, who is suspected of serving as an accomplice in the killing of two Ukrainian police officers and the injury of three more following a botched gas station robbery in Kiev which occurred on May 4, Ukrainian media have reported.

"As part of the investigation of criminal proceedings over an attack on a gas station and the killings of law enforcement officers on the night of May 4 in Kiev, another suspect has been arrested: a 19-year-old resident of Vinnitsa," a statement on the website of the Kiev prosecutor's office reads.

The statement added that Zaverukha has been detained under the criminal code article for an "attempt on the life of an officer of the law."

Zaverukha, a volunteer in the radical nationalist Aidar Battalion with openly neo-Nazi views, was briefly lionized as a media darling last year as a "heroine fighting against separatists." Continue reading.

TV Zvezda wrote:Украинские военные перебрасывают тяжелую технику в Мариуполь
Ukrainian military heavy equipment being moved to Mariupol
May 8, 2015, 12:46

Exploration DNI informed about the transfer of large amounts of heavy equipment of the Ukrainian army in Mariupol. According to militia, APU unloaded armored personnel carriers in the port city.

"In Mariupol port equipment arrived for the APU. Many techniques. The last two days in the city ukry fuss. Skid rooftops big guns, mortars put there. The streets travel trucks with infantry, apparently imported reinforcements and prepare for something "- said the militia. Continue reading.

@FarEasterner wrote:Kiev regime honors Nazi collaborators today in Rada

@antelava wrote: As #ukraine remember millions who sacrificed lives to defeat Nazis this is a poster in Kiev's ind square

@FPaidinfull wrote:Saur-Mogila

INFO building wrote:

Komsomolskaya Pravda wrote:

Ukraine News wrote:civilian taken prisoner turned professional troll

Russia Today wrote:'No Nazi poisonous porridge!' Kharkiv veterans refused Junta's porridge

UA: First wrote:American paratroopers pleasant experience Ukrainian military