Alleged Russian Soldiers-Οperatives In Ukraine

Confirmed: Russian Spetsnaz serviceman sighted in Luhansk

https://medium.com/@ReggaeMortis1/confirmed-russian-spetsnaz-serviceman-sighted-in-luhansk-bba5dee7047b

Murikan propaganda at its peak and at its worst .

Putin classifies Russian soldiers' deaths while denying Ukraine buildup]

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2015/0528/Putin-classifies-Russian-soldiers-deaths-while-denying-Ukraine-buildup

AirCargo wrote:Putin classifies Russian soldiers' deaths while denying Ukraine buildup]

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2015/0528/Putin-classifies-Russian-soldiers-deaths-while-denying-Ukraine-buildup

Mister, for linking horseshit like The Christian Science Monitor here, you deserve to get shot.

A website all crafted by people like John McCain might be considered a serious waste of time in other parts of the world. Ya dig?

Werewolf wrote:Uhhh that is a no go Christian and Science... coming from the US that is tripple no go. I thought there are no superlatives of no goes...

its a triple birmingham.

Werewolf wrote:
Uhhh that is a no go Christian and Science... coming from the US that is tripple no go. I thought there are no superlatives of no goes...

http://tass.ru/en/russia/797224

Cargo200.org Project

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fcargo200.org%2F

George1 wrote:Newspaper "Kommmersant" about the alleged Russian generals in DPR and LPR

Remember back in the early days of the rebellion Strelkov was the only good commander? The ides that Russian generals are running around Donbass for any other reason than representing Russia in the OSCE is laughable. The idea of much lower ranked Spetsnaz operators in the NAF command is not as silly. Ever since the north wind began to blow, the NAF has been able to pull a victory out of almost every encounter with the Ukrops save Shirokino (but who really knows why the NAF decided to leave altogether there).

Since FP said I could post here as long as I abide by the rules I would like to discuss the captured two Russian citizens that claim to be Russian GRU. What is your take on this, do you belive they are? And is  it a breech of rule 8 to pretend they are not, is that disrespect for Russian forces?

Dforce wrote:Since FP said I could post here as long as I abide by the rules I would like to discuss the captured two Russian citizens that claim to be Russian GRU. What is your take on this, do you belive they are? And is  it a breech of rule 8 to pretend they are not, is that disrespect for Russian forces?

Dang dat trolling maing, you should learn to be more subtle, it ain't the prairie field here like back in TheMess or feu MP.net. The idea is this, they WERE part of GRU, then they weren't. Now they're captured enemy combatants. And that's it.

Dforce wrote:Since FP said I could post here as long as I abide by the rules I would like to discuss the captured two Russian citizens that claim to be Russian GRU. What is your take on this, do you belive they are? And is  it a breech of rule 8 to pretend they are not, is that disrespect for Russian forces?

They were GRU operatives before and not anymore (confirmed by the GRU themselves). This isn't the 20th century, the GRU has more effective and sophisticated methods of gathering intel or sabotage. Safe to conclude that the Ukrop forces have been infiltrated by the covert operators and the Ukrop ranks are filled with rats. UAVs (which the NAF uses a lot as you well know) can conduct tactical recon far safer and easier than boots on the ground can. There is no real need for GRU operators to be running behind enemy lines.

I am all for giving you a chance Dforce and I still am. Please don't make me look like the stupid one. But some people might take this as what we called on mp.net "flamebaiting."

KoTeMoRe wrote: The idea is this, they WERE part of GRU, then they weren't. Now they're captured enemy combatants. And that's it.

So you are saying they were let off when they were captured?

Dforce wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote: The idea is this, they WERE part of GRU, then they weren't. Now they're captured enemy combatants. And that's it.

So you are saying they were let off when they were captured?

According to their own recollection they say that there are NO Russian troops in Ukraine. And they weren't found with tags or military ID's, were they? So it would coincide with the fact they weren't Russian soldiers the moment they entered Ukraine territory and the moment they decided to engage in paramilitary activities...

So try harder, the trolling is not enough subtle.

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Yep, and knowing that Russia was fighting with their both hands tied it's pretty amazing. Small unit tactics seem to be trumping over Ukrainian superior firepower and numbers.
And the way Russia is using vacationers makes me wonder what are these men? They eventually end up not in an active service if they are caught, they are being rotated often, they are said to be earning quite a fortune there, they fight in small units and are independent. All of this are hearsays, but it's enough to make Ukrainians brown their pants.
Maybe they are part of some PMC as there were talks about creating one not long ago. I doubt Russia would be sending active personel into war. Now if they sign a contract for PMC, it means they assessed the risks and being discreet is in their interest. Well just dont mind vk.com pictures;)

sweartome123 wrote:It should be common knowledge by now that Russia is a participant in this war. It doesn't take much to find photos, stories (non-MSM), and information that points to Russian involvement. That being said, their performance against the Ukrainians has been quite good. Looking at the estimated casualties, Russia has lost only a couple hundred men since August of last year while the Ukrainians have lost well over 4,000 troops (military/volunteer battalions) since the start of the conflict. Russia has probably inflicted 75% of Ukraine's casualties given that Russian troops played a large part in the major Ukrainian defeats at Ilovaisk and Debaltseve, in which we all know thousands of Ukrainian troops were killed. This is just my opinion, but I'm basing it on my own research, not the "Russia invades Ukraine with 20,000,000 Ukrainian baby killer super soldiers" bullshit.

Russia could not hide a couple hundred in loses. Field hospitals could not handle that and it would be extremely difficult to keep everybody quiet. It be very hard to cover up that many WIAs let alone KIAs nowadays with social media and everything, Western MSM keeps trying to do just that while making some impressive logical leaps along the way. Russia sent in a small amount of troops to begin with and they lost very few men. Their ability to inflict such devastating losses comes from their vastly superior technology, training, and their uniformity. A modern army well versed in conventional warfare would have little trouble bulldozing the Ukrops at Ilovaisk, only ones really capable of that is Russia and the US, most other modern armies are too focused on asymmetric warfare.

sweartome123 wrote:It should be common knowledge by now that Russia is a participant in this war. It doesn't take much to find photos, stories (non-MSM), and information that points to Russian involvement. That being said, their performance against the Ukrainians has been quite good. Looking at the estimated casualties, Russia has lost only a couple hundred men since August of last year while the Ukrainians have lost well over 4,000 troops (military/volunteer battalions) since the start of the conflict. Russia has probably inflicted 75% of Ukraine's casualties given that Russian troops played a large part in the major Ukrainian defeats at Ilovaisk and Debaltseve, in which we all know thousands of Ukrainian troops were killed. This is just my opinion, but I'm basing it on my own research, not the "Russia invades Ukraine with 20,000,000 Ukrainian baby killer super soldiers" bullshit.

We don't know the Ukrainian losses.
We don't know the Russian losses.

This debate is worth a speculaton or two, but casulaty ratio is way too clouded. I too thought the performance of actual Russian troops has been outstanding? However, the reality is also that beyond the political will, the log train is severly hampered (this is a political choice, but could be partly related to the fact that Russia is trying to find its oldest stocks regarding SOME ammunition, especially Rockets and ATGM). And then they used Kornets like they were ice cream back in August.

However, I'd say that Russian input has only been so limited that on itself it has helped tip tactical situations, that were badly woven by the UA leadership. For instance the cauldrons were mostly created because of a very poor logistic route from UA, they were trying to bypass hard points, as fast as possible as to try and seal the border, that meant that instead of really blocking the NAF on its tracks, they tried to exploit and divide Luhansk from Donetsk. From there on, the logic is simple, when you have left very few people to defend your flanks, or outright let that to paramilitary organizations, you are going to get Bear Love. Once you get stopped at Illovaisk (by Militia), your position is known and the area can be treated accordingly. We all know the results of the first push for Illovaisk. Caught in the open, UA troops were minced. The Izvarino battle same stupid idea of trying to hold on corridors when there's no one to get through them.

What is really amazing is the fact that Russian military leadership has done some homework. That's what gets these fight ugly. The difference in leadership is right now abysmal.

Add to that preparation, Ukrainians still ignore clear lign of sight. Look at most their entrechements. Very little interconnection. This looks like FOB's popping everywhere, but without the rest of the support tools a NATO FOB usually gets.

2 to 3 hundres losses, that's basically less than one a day. Add the typical 1/3 for offensive ops, and 1/4 for defensive ops you got at best about 1200 casualties (KIA/WIA) All in all compared to about 15K casualties from UA (KIA/WIA/MIA) that's heavy. Now there's the NAF losses. That's something else.