Kurganets & Boomerang Discussions Thread #2

KomissarBojanchev wrote:

Yet you said before that its physically impossible to make a projectile with chemical propellant go over 2000m/s...

AFAIK Electrothermal guns can increase velocities well beyond 2kms - 3kms was already achieved.  This paper says something about limit of 10 km/s though ...but its only a paper ))

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/f814/05c8b9354ed79ea63dd5fee342dac07f36dd.pdf

Electrothermal guns actually use chemical propellants. The difference is in the way propellant is ignited and burned. In principle this is done by  plasma...

Also we must remember that Russia tests its rounds against harder armor and requires an 80% chance of pentration as opposed to the 50% required by nato.

Ypu have a source for that? This is big if proven.

KomissarBojanchev wrote:

Ypu have a source for that? This is big if proven.

No I don't but it comes up in multiple sources about ammunition testing.

I never remember where I read something.

Maybe you should ask one of the other members. I seem to remember Mindstorm making referance to it.

Russia’s latest Kurganets-25 infantry fighting vehicles to arrive for troops in 2019

Work is currently underway to finalize and prepare the infantry fighting vehicle prototypes for trials

MOSCOW, July 4. /TASS/. The first infantry fighting vehicles based on the Kurganets standardized armored platform will arrive for troops for trials in 2019, Kurganmashzavod defense manufacturer said in an annual report on Wednesday.

Work is currently underway to finalize and prepare the infantry fighting vehicle prototypes "for comprehensive trials preceding the acceptance of this armor for service," the report says.

According to the document, "Kurganmashzavod has concluded state contracts for the delivery of experimental batches of these vehicles in 2019-2021."

The Kurganets-25 is a standardized tracked platform designed as the basis for developing an infantry fighting vehicle, an armored assault vehicle for the Airborne Force, an armored personnel carrier and a self-propelled artillery system with a 125mm gun. The defense manufacturer has been developing the combat platform on order from Russia’s Defense Ministry since 2012.

The Kurganets infantry fighting vehicle has the engine compartment in its front part while the crew and the assault force are located in a separate armored capsule isolated from the armament and munitions.


More:
http://tass.com/defense/1011982

Holy shit, a good news for a change

Given the recent trend I pretty much expected to read that Kurganets and/or Boomerang were cancelled in favor of upgraded BMP-1...

PapaDragon wrote:
Holy shit, a good news for a change

Given the recent trend I pretty much expected to read that Kurganets and/or Boomerang were cancelled in favor of upgraded BMP-1...

Well, besides maybe massive ships, what was exactly bad news?

Russian mil knew they won't be able to build hundreds/thousands in short time span to replace existing stocks, so upgrading existing stocks to be able to at least fight modern conflict mixed with procurement of acceptable numbers of armored vehicles, is fine. Armata mixed with purchases of T-90MS, T-80BVM and T-72B3/4, BMP-1/2 upgrades along with Kurganets and BTR upgrades with Boomerang.

Then in about 10 - 20 years, they will start to phase out the T-90MS, etc as they replace it with further procurements. It is a long term thing. This goes with Su-57 too. Small orders, a few here and there, testings and what not, then eventually all jets get replaced with the airframe and movement to further iterations. They did this for a while now - see Su-35. That was ordered in small batches then a decade later, large orders. No one figured Su-35S would actually enter Russian airforce service.

I rather like this approach. Affordable, gives time to assess the hardware and make sure it works as intended and is exactly what they need.

Armata, Kurganets and Boomerang, along with Su-57 are exactly those that they need. The other hardware is all in question.

miketheterrible wrote:

This is amazaballs awesome but it's also T-15 not Kurganets.

I do love how they look bundled together in large numbers, more please

Camo burka? Surely not, just shopped?

I remember US (fanboi) criticism of face veils the Soviets used instead of face paint... but personally I never really understood the criticism... if it is just as effective as covering up white skin... does not take as long to apply, and is not hard to apply properly, and comes off much faster too.

I think most of the criticism stemmed from the fact that they thought it was used because they could not afford face paint, but soldiers have been using burnt cork and mud for centuries...

Sometimes the westerners are blinded by the way things are done in the west and cannot see that their might be a simpler easier cheaper way of doing things, so they will see it as backwards... I personally see it as superior.

GarryB wrote:I remember US (fanboi) criticism of face veils the Soviets used instead of face paint... but personally I never really understood the criticism... if it is just as effective as covering up white skin... does not take as long to apply, and is not hard to apply properly, and comes off much faster too.

I think most of the criticism stemmed from the fact that they thought it was used because they could not afford face paint, but soldiers have been using burnt cork and mud for centuries...

Sometimes the westerners are blinded by the way things are done in the west and cannot see that their might be a simpler easier cheaper way of doing things, so they will see it as backwards... I personally see it as superior.

What? Why the hell anyone with right mind would argue against the Russian Military wearing face veil? To me face veil makes them look both scary & cool at the same time. It's very convenient too compared to face paint. You can even carry several hanky sized face veil for different environment. Murican fanboys are really dumb.

One thing I found out last time I went hunting... a face veil also stops biting insects from accessing your skin...

Which is very useful in Siberia.

Guess who... And where...



When they said they would be testing stuff in Syria they weren't kidding.

PapaDragon wrote:
Guess who... And where...



When they said they would be testing stuff in Syria they weren't kidding.

Interesting is, that Boomerang have Berezhok turret from BMP-2M and not new Epoha turret.

medo wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Guess who... And where...


When they said they would be testing stuff in Syria they weren't kidding.

Interesting is, that Boomerang have Berezhok turret from BMP-2M and not new Epoha turret.

This is an old photo, taken at Army 2017 demonstration....just with some SAA crap copy pasted on it...

photo taken a few moments later at the same location

And yes, the K-17 was demonstrated with Berezhok combat module at Army 2017, and again in 2018. They also exhibited this specific unit of BMPT alongside it.

...Also a nice size comparison photo:

Yeah, the tan coat fits much better than the blue one.

Kurganets tested in Syria

http://anna-news.info/boevaya-mashina-pehoty-kurganets-25-protestirovana-v-sirii/

The developer told about the test results of the Boomerang combat platform.

MOSCOW, Apr 26 - RIA News. The Russian combat platform "Boomerang" during the preliminary tests surpassed the characteristics laid down in the technical specifications of the Ministry of Defense.

https://ria.ru/20190426/1553069280.html

State tests of the Boomerang combat platform will begin this year

https://ria.ru/20190426/1553069526.html

The latest combat platform "Boomerang" can get the module "Dagger"

“In terms of weight and size, and other characteristics, the Dagger can be mounted on the Boomerang,” he said.

https://ria.ru/20190426/1553071139.html

Full interview
https://ria.ru/20190426/1553038478.html

GarryB wrote:I remember US (fanboi) criticism of face veils the Soviets used instead of face paint... but personally I never really understood the criticism... if it is just as effective as covering up white skin... does not take as long to apply, and is not hard to apply properly, and comes off much faster too.

I think most of the criticism stemmed from the fact that they thought it was used because they could not afford face paint, but soldiers have been using burnt cork and mud for centuries...

Sometimes the westerners are blinded by the way things are done in the west and cannot see that their might be a simpler easier cheaper way of doing things, so they will see it as backwards... I personally see it as superior.

Well you are also forgetting that facepaint blocks off your pours and gets hot and uncomfortable aswell aswell as preventing you from scratching your face to much.

Looks like Kurganets is a done deal, and has already surpassed MOD's expectations:

Tests of the combat platform "Boomerang" confirmed the inherent characteristics

magnumcromagnon wrote:Looks like Kurganets is a done deal, and has already surpassed MOD's expectations:

Tests of the combat platform "Boomerang" confirmed the inherent characteristics

2 posts above yours...it's Boomerang man what are you thinking

Hmm, I thought they were getting proper production Kurganets this year?

This still has the engine grille where the driver is supposed to be like the previous ones.