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    MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

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    Post  TR1 15/04/14, 06:03 pm

    http://www.network54.com/Forum/211833/thread/1320430073/Make+a+MIG,+the+Russian%28or+Soviet!%29+way!

    You mean like these?

    Aside from the MiG-29K and obviously export airframes, there do seem to be some assembled, dusted old airframes in the line.

    Not sure if there are 16 of them though, plus the talk of another order for 16 has me suspicious.
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    Post  GarryB 15/04/14, 07:38 pm

    These planes are a stopgap because Mig-35 is not ready to order till 2016.

    It therefore makes sense to buy Mig-29SMTs rather than Mig-29Ms.

    First of all Mig-29SMTs are cheaper, yet still fully multirole and quite capable.

    Second they haven't got any Mig-29Ms or M2s in service... AFAIK only the Russian Navy has Mig-29Ks, while the AF does have SMTs in service that share parts with existing Mig-29s in service.

    MiG-29Ms could be upgraded to Mig-35 level perhaps, but it is possible that the Mig-35 design might get more changes between now and 2016 when the serial models are ready... I rather suspect that as the Mig-35s enter service from 2016 onwards that this will free up S models and SM models and SMT models for export to countries that already operate Mig-29s or don't need an uber expensive fighter jet that would be compatible with existing types allowing an upgrade of the existing fleet to further generate revenue...
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    Post  George1 15/04/14, 07:44 pm

    whats the differences between Mig-29SMT and Mig-29M??
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    Post  Flyboy77 15/04/14, 08:17 pm

    TR1 wrote:http://www.network54.com/Forum/211833/thread/1320430073/Make+a+MIG,+the+Russian%28or+Soviet!%29+way!

    You mean like these?

    Aside from the MiG-29K and obviously export airframes, there do seem to be some assembled, dusted old airframes in the line.

    Not sure if there are 16 of them though, plus the talk of another order for 16 has me suspicious.

    Yeah those are the ones.

    I also thinking that maybe those frames could just be being used for spare parts as we see Indian's MiG-29 being upgraded in the hanger as well.
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    Post  TR1 15/04/14, 08:31 pm

    George1 wrote:whats the differences between Mig-29SMT and Mig-29M??

    Airframe has many changes. MiG-29SMT just adds the spine fuel tank to the basic MiG-29 airframe, the MiG-29M has airframe changes in many places.
    Avionics did too, but now they can both use Zhuk-M.

    All of the "new" MiG-29Ks, KUBs, 35, etc are based on the 2nd gen MiG-29M airframe.

    The easiest way to identify the change is the sharp LERX edge.
    Of course now the only MiG-29Ms/M2s in production have the unified larger canopy, so that is a giveaway too.
    First gen MiG-29 had that hideous two seater canopy.
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    Post  Werewolf 16/04/14, 12:15 am

    TR1 wrote:First gen MiG-29 had that hideous two seater canopy.

    Take that back!
    The two seated MiG-29 looks awesome just like a white shark.

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    Post  Viktor 16/04/14, 12:59 am

    470 million $ for 16 MiG-29SMT .... thats a good deal  thumbsup 

    Russian Defense Ministry will pay for 16 MiGs over 17 billion rubles


    but what is more interesting -  Very Happy 

    More than 100 MiG-35s will produce in the coming years

    37 was a stupid number anyway - 100 is more appreciated number  Very Happy thumbsup 
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    Post  mack8 16/04/14, 06:48 am

    Wow, this will be the resurection of MiG if true. Two fighter makers for a country like Russia is an absolute minimum imo. 100 MiG-35, plus  50 MiG-29SMT (including ex-AAF ones), plus at least 100 Su-35S, plus at least 110 Su-30SM, plus at least 124 Su-34 in addition to the PAK-FA spearhead  and modernized older aircraft will go along way to increase the capabilities of RuAF and VMF by 2020, especially during this US led offensive to "contain" and quite frankly destroy Russia's power. Imo, in this situation even more priority and resources  should be given to re-equipping and modernizing the Russian Armed Forces, especially air force and space and air defense troops, to better meet this threat.

    Back to MiG, such a contract could give them enough money to work and especially for R@D to produce or co-produce highly capable products - LMFS (likely with other UAC companies- yes i did read it appear not to be a priority right now, but it probably would after 2016 to get it ready before 2025), the rumoured super-fast MiG-31 successor and UCAVs.
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    Post  Alex555 19/04/14, 07:46 am

    17 APRIL 2014 | The Russian Air Force will get another 16 Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29 SMT fighter-bombers, the Ministry of Defence in Moscow confirmed on 15 April 2014. According to the department Russia pays only about 470 to 480 million US dollar (17 billion rubels) for the aircraft.


    The MiG-29 SMT, called Fulcrum by NATO, has additional built-in fuel-tanks to fly further, a special paint to reduce its radar profile and is able to operate with a new range of anti-ship and air-to-ground missiles. The Russian Air Force already has 28 of these fighters in its inventory, serving with the Western Military District with the first delivered in 2009.

    MiG-35
    Moscow also confirmed it wants up to 100 of the new MiG-35Cs it showcased in 2013. Deliveries should commence in 2016. This Fulcrum-F is an even further developed version of the MiG-29 with a better active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, more powerful engines, a Optical Locator System and a better ability to engage multiple targets in the air and on sea / on the ground at the same time. The MiG-35 will be able to carry a higher weapons load at nine external stations, an increased fuel capacity, an in-flight refuelling system and a fly-by-wire system that has three-channels and quadruple redundancy. Mikoyan-Gurevich’s general director Sergei Korotkov calls the MiG-35 a 4th Plus Plus generation fighter.

    Source: Russian Ministry of Defence / Mikoyan-Gurevich
    http://airheadsfly.com/2014/04/16/russia-buys-more-mig-29-smts-plans-100-mig-35/
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    Post  Austin 19/04/14, 10:21 pm

    Russia orders more MiG-29SMT fighters

    Russia has signed a contract with the Russian Aircraft Corporation MiG (RAC MiG) for 16 more MiG-29SMT 'Fulcrum' multirole fighter aircraft, RAC MiG announced on 15 April.

    Valued at RUB17 billion (USD473 million), including ground support and test equipment, the order will see the RAC MiG deliver the aircraft to the Russian Air Force by 2016.

    An order of 16 MiG-29SMT fighters was first suggested by Russian Deputy Defence Minister Yuri Borisov in August 2013 to make up for the lack of an immediate order of RAC MiG's newer MiG-35S 'Fulcrum-F' fighter aircraft. The new MiG-29SMTs will allow the Russian Air Force to maintain its operational inventory of light fighter aircraft, according to a statement from the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), RAC MiG's parent company.

    In a statement, Borisov said: "This order will allow the company to look to the future and will be a good starting point for the production of new aircraft, such as the MiG-35S."

    According to the UAC, an order for the MiG-35S from the Russian Air Force is now scheduled to occur in 2016. The company expects that around 100 MiG-35S fighters will be procured "just in the short term".

    Although the MiG-29SMT is already in service with the Russian Air Force, this is Russia's first order for the aircraft. The Russian Air Force received 28 MiG-29SMTs between 2009 and 2010, although these were aircraft originally ordered for Algeria - which subsequently rejected the aircraft.

    According to Sergei Korotkov, general director of RAC MiG, the MiG-29SMT is "well proven in operations and has a significantly expanded range of weapons to attack both air and ground targets", compared with early 'Fulcrum' variants.

    The most visible external difference between the MiG-29SMT and other 'Fulcrum' aircraft is the extended fuel-tank in the spine of the aircraft, which doubles the mission radius of the MiG-29SMT variant when operating in an air superiority role to 836 n miles (1,550 km; 963 miles). Internally the MiG-29SMT features a significantly improved systems fit, including an upgraded radar, uprated engines, new avionics, a digital cockpit, improved navigation system, and an expanded weapons fit. The airframe of the MiG-29SMT is, however, the original 9.12/9.13 'Flanker' airframe, rather than the newer, lighter, 9.15 aluminium-lithium alloy airframe of the MiG-29M. As such, the MiG-29SMT has been offered as an upgrade package for old airframe MiG-29 aircraft; although the 16 aircraft ordered on 15 April are understood by IHS Jane's to be new build.
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    Post  mack8 22/04/14, 06:52 am

    That same article seems to suggest that the contract for the MiG-35Ss should be signed by the end of this year!
    http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/4/21/683101.html

    On another note, does anyone saw any pics (or just saw the planes themselves) of any of the four MiG-29K/KUB delivered to VMF so far, what cammo they have, what bort numbers, anything? cry 
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    Post  sepheronx 23/04/14, 09:51 am

    What is taking the MiG-35 so long? Russia needs to introduce the new technologies and start getting AESA out on the market, as it will reduce costs. They have working prototypes of the Zhuk A radar and obviously the N036 for PAK FA. So what is taking so long?
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    Post  mutantsushi 23/04/14, 06:45 pm

    At this point I don't see the value in putting into service the originally planned AESA array,
    sure the computer and everything for it is fine enough,
    but might as well go with the more advanced ceramic miniaturized TR modules that will be mass produced,
    likewise if it's taking longer may as well bring other newer subsystems into play, possibly DIRCM.
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    Post  Werewolf 23/04/14, 07:40 pm

    http://army.lv/ru/mig-29smt/1939/30958

    Заключенный Минобороны РФ контракт на поставку 16 истребителей МиГ-29СМТ превысил 17 миллиардов рублей, сообщило военное ведомство во вторник.

    Ранее в пресс-службе российской самолетостроительной корпорацией "МиГ" (входит в ОАК) РИА Новости подтвердили информацию о подписании данного контракта, но сумму сделки не уточнили.

    "Сумма контракта, включая средства наземного обслуживания и контрольно-проверочной аппаратуры, составляет более 17 миллиардов рублей. Контракт является оперативной мерой поддержания боеготовности парка легких истребителей", — уточнили в Минобороны.

    По состоянию на 2013 год, ВВС России располагали 28 самолетами МиГ-29СМТ.

    МиГ-29СМТ — одноместный модернизированный вариант истребителя МиГ-29СМ с возможностью применения высокоточного оружия класса воздух-поверхность.

    It says for 16 MiG-29SMT they contracted for 17 trln rubel (21.55 mln euro per bird?) and the contract and prize aren't certain but it implements control analysing aparture and ground support equip.
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    Post  GarryB 23/04/14, 08:10 pm

    What is taking the MiG-35 so long? Russia needs to introduce the new technologies and start getting AESA out on the market, as it will reduce costs. They have working prototypes of the Zhuk A radar and obviously the N036 for PAK FA. So what is taking so long?

    The rest of the aircraft.

    They have stated orders will start in 2016 which is not bad.

    In the mean time there will be MiG-29SMT which is constantly being improved, and the MiG-29K and MiG-29M2 which are also benefiting from work on the MiG-35.

    At this point I don't see the value in putting into service the originally planned AESA array,
    sure the computer and everything for it is fine enough,
    but might as well go with the more advanced ceramic miniaturized TR modules that will be mass produced,
    likewise if it's taking longer may as well bring other newer subsystems into play, possibly DIRCM.

    Exactly... plus if all their Army Helicopters are getting DIRCMs I would think the MiG-35 would have them too...
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    Post  Werewolf 23/04/14, 11:03 pm



    Tvzvezda about the 16 MiG-29SMT which are ordered for VVS.
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    Post  medo 24/04/14, 02:44 am

    Will there be any difference in equipment of those new MiG-29SMT comparing to ex-Agerian ones? Is there an option for RuNavy to buy additional MiG-29KUB for NITKA training center to replace old Su-25UTG?
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    Post  Stealthflanker 24/04/14, 03:26 am

    medo wrote:Will there be any difference in equipment of those new MiG-29SMT comparing to ex-Agerian ones? Is there an option for RuNavy to buy additional MiG-29KUB for NITKA training center to replace old Su-25UTG?

    From what i see from Werewolf's video, there seems to be no differences between the SMT for VVS and the one for Algeria, same Zhuk MF radar (Though this is of course Russian version with perhaps more operating modes and resistance to ECM) As for Navy it's seems likely given Russia's plan for carrier i would expect more MiG-29K's and its respective trainer.
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    Post  Sujoy 24/04/14, 03:39 am

    Stealthflanker wrote:As for Navy it's seems likely given Russia's plan for carrier i would expect more MiG-29K's and its respective trainer.

    x2 . Here is the link that states what you just said

    http://in.rbth.com/economics/2014/04/22/mig-29_service_centre_to_open_in_india_in_2015_34717.html


    Korotkov added that MiG would deliver ten decked MiG-29K/KUB fighters to the Russian Navy by the end of the year. He added that six such combat aircrafts will also be delivered to the Indian Navy. In 2013, the Russian Navy and the Indian Navy received four and seven MiG-29K/KUB respectively.

    In February 2012, the Russian Ministry of Defence placed the order for the MiG-29K/KUB fighters. The agreement covers the supply of 20 single MiG-29K combat aircrafts and four double MiG-29KUB. In November 2013, it was reported that under this contract all combat aircraft must be delivered to the Russian armed forces by 2015.
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    Post  mack8 29/05/14, 07:01 am

    MiG-29SMT deliveries to VVS will comprise 8 in 2015 and 8 in 2016:
    http://www.armstass.su/?page=article&aid=128095&cid=25

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    Post  magnumcromagnon 11/06/14, 06:13 pm

    So what are all the goodies that'll come with Mig-35? MAWS, LWR, RWR, DIRCM, AESA, 3-D TVC? Will there be laser targeting modules built in for rocket pods, or will it rely on targeting pods?
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    Post  GarryB 11/06/14, 07:23 pm

    It has an EO/Laser targeting system built in and has turrets on one engine nacelle and front of the nose for ground and air targets respectively.
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    Post  Sujoy 19/06/14, 07:40 pm

    medo wrote:First visible difference between Russian and Indian MiG-28K is, that Russian MiG have new standard Russian RWR sensors (like those on Su-30 and Su-35), while Indian one doesn't have.

    This is the picture of the Mig 29s that were delivered last year . 7 MIG 29 K/ KUB were delivered end of last year and 6 more will be delivered before the end of this year .

    You will notice the sensors in these new Mig 29s that will arrive later this year .
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    Post  Viktor 17/07/14, 03:22 am

    24 fighters per year - MiG production

    10 - MiG-29K for RuAN
    6 - MiG-29K for India

    8 - MiG-29SMT in 2015
    8 - MiG-29SMT in 2016

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    Post  George1 28/07/14, 01:36 pm

    MiG-29 fighter crashes in Astrakhan region, killing pilot

    POGONOVO RANGE (Voronezh region), July 27 /ITAR-TASS/. A MiG-29 fighter of the Russian Air Force crashed near Astrakhan on Sunday. The fighter’s pilot was killed in the crash, Air Force Commander-in-Chief Lieutenant General Viktor Bondarev told reporters.

    “A pilot has been killed in a fighter crash,” the commander said. “We are investigating this incident and, according to preliminary data, the crash was caused by air equipment failure,” General Bondarev added.

    There has been no destruction on the ground as a result of Sunday morning crash of a MiG-29 fighter near Astrakhan, spokesman for the Russian Defence Ministry Major General Igor Konashenkov told Itar-Tass.

    “A fighter of the Air Force combat training and tactical employment went out of control and fell 30 kilometres northeast of the city of Astrakhan in a steppe. It has caused not destruction on the ground,” he said.

    “The flight supervisor gave the pilot a command to eject. However, the pilot, trying to save the aircraft, remained at the steering wheel and was killed [in the crash],” General Konashenkov said.

    Earlier on Sunday law enforcement source told Itar-Tass that according to preliminary information, a MiG-29 fighter of the Russian Defence Ministry fell 30 kilometres south of the Privolzhsky airport in the Astrakhan region.

    “The jet fell at a considerable distance from homes, so the local residents were not hurt,” law enforcers said.

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