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I don`t know about you guys, but for me MiG-35 is ideal for the Russian air force southern district. I mean yes is nice to have the capabilities of Flankers and Fullbacks, but for threats like Georgia, Ukraine, Azerbaijan and others, Fulcrum is great and its doctrine should be as a multirole fighter ( ala F-16c F-18c) and no solely as an air defense. If some district must have this type, it must be southern one. What do you guys think. I sincerely hope a contract for over a hundred to maintain the hi-lo ratio. MiG-35 very nice platform
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MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News
Manov- Posts : 58
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GarryB- Posts : 40580
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The other aspect is that for each aircraft design bureau there were radar and engine makers and other subcontractors that competed for contracts.
When you buy MiG-35s as well as Su-35s you are funding another radar maker, another engine maker, another maker of subsystems, which means in the future you have more than one company able to produce products to compete for contracts.
The MiG-35 will likely lead to a new light 5th gen fighter bomber design.. the purchase of the aircraft will provide funds for the realisation of the new aircraft....
Flankers are very capable, but are big... when space is a concern like on a carrier, or you simply don't need an aircraft with a flight radius of 3,000km then a smaller lighter aircraft makes rather more sense.
the MiG-35 is a very under rated platform.
When you buy MiG-35s as well as Su-35s you are funding another radar maker, another engine maker, another maker of subsystems, which means in the future you have more than one company able to produce products to compete for contracts.
The MiG-35 will likely lead to a new light 5th gen fighter bomber design.. the purchase of the aircraft will provide funds for the realisation of the new aircraft....
Flankers are very capable, but are big... when space is a concern like on a carrier, or you simply don't need an aircraft with a flight radius of 3,000km then a smaller lighter aircraft makes rather more sense.
the MiG-35 is a very under rated platform.
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MiG-35 will be adapted to the requirements of the Russian Air Force
Based on the MiG-35 will be developed multifunctional lightweight fighter for the Air Force of Russia, according to Interfax-AVN, citing a source in the military-industrial complex
Based on the MiG-35 will be developed multifunctional lightweight fighter for the Air Force of Russia, according to Interfax-AVN, citing a source in the military-industrial complex
"In March and April of this year, is expected to sign a state contract to carry out development activities (R & D) for the MiG-35, which will be developed by the technical task of the Russian Air Force," - said a source in the defense industry.
He did not rule out that at the same time can be signed state contract for the purchase of a relatively small batch of these fighters.
"The planned development of the MiG-35 Russian Air Force will be significantly different from that of the MiG-35, who participated in the Indian tender," - said the official.
According to him, this machine will be equipped with the most advanced airborne radar equipment and engines with increased resource.
"In the creation of the MiG-35, satisfying the requirements of the Russian Air Force, to take two or three years," - a spokesman said.
He noted that the MiG-35 is by far the most advanced fighters of "MiG". "He belongs to a generation 4 ++ and is regarded as a transitional stage to the fifth generation fighter.
In the arms of the MiG-35 entered promising airborne weapons that have not previously offered for export. Among them - the means of destruction of long-range, allowing attack targets without entering the zone of enemy air defenses. The MiG-35 is equipped with a modern complex of defense, it minimizes the surprise attack by the enemy, recognized as airplanes and flying rockets.
The power plant consists of two engines RD-33MK with a maximum thrust without afterburner 5.4 m in afterburner - 9 m. Engines equipped with smokeless combustion chamber and new electronic control system with full responsibility (like FADEC). Flight hour cost of MiG-35 is almost 2.5 times lower than that of the MiG-29.
Normal takeoff weight - 17500 kg, maximum - 23500 kg. Combat load - 6500 kg. The maximum speed at height - 2400 km / h (M = 2.25), in the land - 1400 km / h. Flight duration - 2.2 hours. The practical ceiling - 17500 m.
eridan- Posts : 188
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So... maybe a small batch of planes signed for this year, before development is finished obviously, probably similar to mig35 offered to india, for testing and evaluation by ruaf. what could that be? a dozen planes or so?
Then after 2-3 years development would be done so within 2 or so years a contract for proper number of planes of final specifications could be signed? With build time, testing time and putting a new type into inventory - Some half decent numbers of mig35 in active service (say two regiments) don't seem likely before 2019-2020.
Ruaf is definitely going for full on high tech/low tech combo, with simultaneous build and employment of both fifth gen and lesser gen fighters. Is it just because of money or are there other reasons?
Then after 2-3 years development would be done so within 2 or so years a contract for proper number of planes of final specifications could be signed? With build time, testing time and putting a new type into inventory - Some half decent numbers of mig35 in active service (say two regiments) don't seem likely before 2019-2020.
Ruaf is definitely going for full on high tech/low tech combo, with simultaneous build and employment of both fifth gen and lesser gen fighters. Is it just because of money or are there other reasons?
GarryB- Posts : 40580
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5th gen planes are expensive to buy and operate and need constant attention to retain their stealthiness.
Lots of missions don't require stealth and a 4th gen fighter can actually do a better job because it is able to carry more external ordinance and it is cheaper but just as effective.
For instance dropping a laser guided bomb on a Taleban building in Afghanistan doesn't require a B-2 or F-22... a MiG-29SMT could do that.
Lots of missions don't require stealth and a 4th gen fighter can actually do a better job because it is able to carry more external ordinance and it is cheaper but just as effective.
For instance dropping a laser guided bomb on a Taleban building in Afghanistan doesn't require a B-2 or F-22... a MiG-29SMT could do that.
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http://www.rg.ru/2015/01/30/reg-pfo/mig-anons.html
This year will Sokol factory start building Mig-29M2 two seater fighters and the first will be delivered in the beginning of 2016. I wonder if they will be for export or for domestic air force?
В этом году на нижегородском авиазаводе "Сокол" начнется полная сборка двухместного варианта истребителя МиГ-29М2. Об этом сообщает пресс-служба предприятия.
Как следует из сообщения, контракт на передачу полного объема сборочных работ был подписан между корпорацией "МиГ" и заводом в конце прошлого года.
Отдельные агрегаты "Сокол" уже освоил: так, на предприятии производились головные части фюзеляжа, воздухозаборников и бак-кессонов.
Первую партию фюзеляжей "Сокола" корпорация "МиГ" получила в прошлом году.
Ожидается, что первая полностью собранная на нижегородском предприятии машина будет готова в начале 2016 года.
This year will Sokol factory start building Mig-29M2 two seater fighters and the first will be delivered in the beginning of 2016. I wonder if they will be for export or for domestic air force?
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medo wrote:http://www.rg.ru/2015/01/30/reg-pfo/mig-anons.html
В этом году на нижегородском авиазаводе "Сокол" начнется полная сборка двухместного варианта истребителя МиГ-29М2. Об этом сообщает пресс-служба предприятия.
Как следует из сообщения, контракт на передачу полного объема сборочных работ был подписан между корпорацией "МиГ" и заводом в конце прошлого года.
Отдельные агрегаты "Сокол" уже освоил: так, на предприятии производились головные части фюзеляжа, воздухозаборников и бак-кессонов.
Первую партию фюзеляжей "Сокола" корпорация "МиГ" получила в прошлом году.
Ожидается, что первая полностью собранная на нижегородском предприятии машина будет готова в начале 2016 года.
This year will Sokol factory start building Mig-29M2 two seater fighters and the first will be delivered in the beginning of 2016. I wonder if they will be for export or for domestic air force?
RuAF has ordered MiG-29SMT however
medo- Posts : 4343
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MiG-29M2 is testing new targeting pod. This time it looks real one, not a mock up.
ahmedfire- Posts : 2366
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Is zHUk ( FGA-35) available to be exported on MIG-29M2 ? link plz.
Also , general director of MIG said that there is no difference between Mig-35 and Mig-29M2 ,so what's the point here, what is the purpose of the new Mig-35.
Also , general director of MIG said that there is no difference between Mig-35 and Mig-29M2 ,so what's the point here, what is the purpose of the new Mig-35.
TR1- Posts : 5435
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MiG-35 is MiG-29M2 with all the systems fleshed out. Including Zhuk-AE, new OLS, SOLO, SOAR, etc etc.
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TR1 wrote:MiG-35 is MiG-29M2 with all the systems fleshed out. Including Zhuk-AE, new OLS, SOLO, SOAR, etc etc.
Why ? any country can just pay 30m$ for Mig-29M2 (Mig-35) instead of paying more than double that number for Mig-35 !
sepheronx- Posts : 8855
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ahmedfire wrote:TR1 wrote:MiG-35 is MiG-29M2 with all the systems fleshed out. Including Zhuk-AE, new OLS, SOLO, SOAR, etc etc.
Why ? any country can just pay 30m$ for Mig-29M2 (Mig-35) instead of paying more than double that number for Mig-35 !
What he is saying is the MiG-35 is the MiG-29M2 with the AESA radar, new optical system, and other subsystems. MiG-29M2 uses a PESA radar and may opt out of other subsystems (which I imagine can be implemented anyway in the MiG-29M2.
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sepheronx wrote:ahmedfire wrote:TR1 wrote:MiG-35 is MiG-29M2 with all the systems fleshed out. Including Zhuk-AE, new OLS, SOLO, SOAR, etc etc.
Why ? any country can just pay 30m$ for Mig-29M2 (Mig-35) instead of paying more than double that number for Mig-35 !
What he is saying is the MiG-35 is the MiG-29M2 with the AESA radar, new optical system, and other subsystems. MiG-29M2 uses a PESA radar and may opt out of other subsystems (which I imagine can be implemented anyway in the MiG-29M2.
So it's cheaper for Russian army to buy Mig-29M2 with new subsystems (AESA, OLS......) than buying Mig-35m,right?
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ahmedfire wrote:TR1 wrote:MiG-35 is MiG-29M2 with all the systems fleshed out. Including Zhuk-AE, new OLS, SOLO, SOAR, etc etc.
Why ? any country can just pay 30m$ for Mig-29M2 (Mig-35) instead of paying more than double that number for Mig-35 !
First of all, no MiG-29M2 will cost that cheap, not today.
And second, the extra money is for the extra systems.
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ahmedfire wrote:sepheronx wrote:ahmedfire wrote:TR1 wrote:MiG-35 is MiG-29M2 with all the systems fleshed out. Including Zhuk-AE, new OLS, SOLO, SOAR, etc etc.
Why ? any country can just pay 30m$ for Mig-29M2 (Mig-35) instead of paying more than double that number for Mig-35 !
What he is saying is the MiG-35 is the MiG-29M2 with the AESA radar, new optical system, and other subsystems. MiG-29M2 uses a PESA radar and may opt out of other subsystems (which I imagine can be implemented anyway in the MiG-29M2.
So it's cheaper for Russian army to buy Mig-29M2 with new subsystems (AESA, OLS......) than buying Mig-35m,right?
The MiG-35 IS the MiG-29M2 with new systems.
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sepheronx wrote:ahmedfire wrote:TR1 wrote:MiG-35 is MiG-29M2 with all the systems fleshed out. Including Zhuk-AE, new OLS, SOLO, SOAR, etc etc.
Why ? any country can just pay 30m$ for Mig-29M2 (Mig-35) instead of paying more than double that number for Mig-35 !
What he is saying is the MiG-35 is the MiG-29M2 with the AESA radar, new optical system, and other subsystems. MiG-29M2 uses a PESA radar and may opt out of other subsystems (which I imagine can be implemented anyway in the MiG-29M2.
No, it uses Zhuk-M family, which is just slotted array, not PESA.
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TR1 wrote:sepheronx wrote:ahmedfire wrote:TR1 wrote:MiG-35 is MiG-29M2 with all the systems fleshed out. Including Zhuk-AE, new OLS, SOLO, SOAR, etc etc.
Why ? any country can just pay 30m$ for Mig-29M2 (Mig-35) instead of paying more than double that number for Mig-35 !
What he is saying is the MiG-35 is the MiG-29M2 with the AESA radar, new optical system, and other subsystems. MiG-29M2 uses a PESA radar and may opt out of other subsystems (which I imagine can be implemented anyway in the MiG-29M2.
No, it uses Zhuk-M family, which is just slotted array, not PESA.
Thanks for the correction. Zhuk-M is still a step above what was originally used. Also other potential radars too can fit it, (Zhuk-MF and even zhuk-A) so really, they can get the MiG-29M/2 with even the Zhuk-A radar.
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How much ?TR1 wrote:ahmedfire wrote:TR1 wrote:MiG-35 is MiG-29M2 with all the systems fleshed out. Including Zhuk-AE, new OLS, SOLO, SOAR, etc etc.
Why ? any country can just pay 30m$ for Mig-29M2 (Mig-35) instead of paying more than double that number for Mig-35 !
First of all, no MiG-29M2 will cost that cheap, not today.
TR1- Posts : 5435
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ahmedfire wrote:How much ?TR1 wrote:ahmedfire wrote:TR1 wrote:MiG-35 is MiG-29M2 with all the systems fleshed out. Including Zhuk-AE, new OLS, SOLO, SOAR, etc etc.
Why ? any country can just pay 30m$ for Mig-29M2 (Mig-35) instead of paying more than double that number for Mig-35 !
First of all, no MiG-29M2 will cost that cheap, not today.
I don't know, but the Russian Air Force is paying around 30 million per unit for the 16 MiG-29SMTs it ordered.....just logically the MiG-29M2 airframe is going to cost quite a bit more.
EDIT: And it bought MiG-29K/KUBS for north of 41 million per bird....
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The quoted thrust there seems to be that of the previously known MiG-35, i.e. as offered to India, so who knows what this new spec will have?Austin wrote:MiG-35 will be adapted to the requirements of the Russian Air Force
Based on the MiG-35 will be developed multifunctional lightweight fighter for the Air Force of Russia, according to Interfax-AVN, citing a source in the military-industrial complex
"The planned development of the MiG-35 Russian Air Force will be significantly different from that of the MiG-35, who participated in the Indian tender," - said the official.
According to him, this machine will be equipped with the most advanced airborne radar equipment and engines with increased resource.
"In the creation of the MiG-35, satisfying the requirements of the Russian Air Force, to take two or three years," - a spokesman said.
The power plant consists of two engines RD-33MK with a maximum thrust without afterburner 5.4 m in afterburner - 9 m. Engines equipped with smokeless combustion chamber and new electronic control system with full responsibility (like FADEC). Flight hour cost of MiG-35 is almost 2.5 times lower than that of the MiG-29.
Interestingly, India has down-selected Klimov and GE as the competition for their AMCA's engine ToT, aiming for 90kN initially with 110kN as design goal...
Interesting how this new MiG-35 spec will play into that, it could very well provide greater insurance that Klimov can deliver, i.e. if they are already contracted to deliver 1/3 of the boost just for MiG-35.
Klimov/et al consulting on AMCA's engine would also facilitate recycling the advances in AMCA's engine back into a future upgrade for this MiG-35 engine (for thrust or efficiency/service life)
The Interfax article doesn't spell it out, but implies that the radar will be different than the AESA offered to India for MMRCA, and being "most adanced airborne radar", it would seem to be at least on par with PAK-FA (if not in size/power etc).
I might expect that EW and countermeasures, possibly DIRCM? would also be advanced, in which case this would be a very solid bird to flesh out VVS... not to mention export customer airforces.
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A state contract for purchase of MiG-35 aircraft by Russian Ministry of Defense is being prepared
Russian Aviaton » Wednesday March 25, 2015 19:58 MSK
Russian Aircraft Corporation MiG (RAC MiG) plans to sign a state contract for delivery of MiG-35 multi-role fighters to Russian air forces soon, Interfax-AVN reports.
“The contract for delivery of MiG-35 fighters to Russian air forces should be signed in the near-term,” RAC MiG CEO Sergey Korotkov told Interfax-AVN. According to him, the contract and all the required documentation are being prepared. “The documents are being prepared,” Korotkov said.
He added that the current State Arms Program includes procurement of MiG-35 fighters by Russian Ministry of Defense. “Deliveries of MiG-35 fighters to Russian air forces may be started next year,” Korotkov added.
It was reported earlier that a brand-new aircraft is offered to the air forces instead of MiG-35 prototype, which took part in a tender issued by Indian Ministry of Defense.
MiG-35 fighter will be able to use the latest types of weapons; it is fitted with cutting-edge avionics suite and Zhuk-AE radar with active phased antenna array. The station allows tracking 30 and attacking 6 targets simultaneously.
MiG-35 is designed for air superiority missions and attacking ground and surface targets using high-precision weapons from outside the range of enemy air defense systems. This is the “4++”-generation fighter.
The cockpit is fitted with LCD displays and heads-up display system. It is suited for missions carried out under any lighting conditions.
Russian Aviaton » Wednesday March 25, 2015 19:58 MSK
Russian Aircraft Corporation MiG (RAC MiG) plans to sign a state contract for delivery of MiG-35 multi-role fighters to Russian air forces soon, Interfax-AVN reports.
“The contract for delivery of MiG-35 fighters to Russian air forces should be signed in the near-term,” RAC MiG CEO Sergey Korotkov told Interfax-AVN. According to him, the contract and all the required documentation are being prepared. “The documents are being prepared,” Korotkov said.
He added that the current State Arms Program includes procurement of MiG-35 fighters by Russian Ministry of Defense. “Deliveries of MiG-35 fighters to Russian air forces may be started next year,” Korotkov added.
It was reported earlier that a brand-new aircraft is offered to the air forces instead of MiG-35 prototype, which took part in a tender issued by Indian Ministry of Defense.
MiG-35 fighter will be able to use the latest types of weapons; it is fitted with cutting-edge avionics suite and Zhuk-AE radar with active phased antenna array. The station allows tracking 30 and attacking 6 targets simultaneously.
MiG-35 is designed for air superiority missions and attacking ground and surface targets using high-precision weapons from outside the range of enemy air defense systems. This is the “4++”-generation fighter.
The cockpit is fitted with LCD displays and heads-up display system. It is suited for missions carried out under any lighting conditions.
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30 is a far lesser number of Mig-35 but something better than nothing
Russian Air Force to get 30 MIG-35 fighter jets under rearmament program
Russian Air Force to get 30 MIG-35 fighter jets under rearmament program
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Might be 30 for now to see how it fits out in Russian airforce, since they operate so many other aircrafts following each roll. I imagine if it works out great, there will be more orders and greater demand.
The benefit of MiG-35 is it incorporates brand new technology and could possibly be cheaper option compared to Su-35S and other aircrafts. Could be demand for other nations too.
The benefit of MiG-35 is it incorporates brand new technology and could possibly be cheaper option compared to Su-35S and other aircrafts. Could be demand for other nations too.
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I think 30 MiG-35 will be 6 for tests and trainings in training center and 24 for the first regiment. Before their production start, MiG could build more MiG-29K/KUB planes for NAVY.
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Plus with a firm order and therefore production schedule, the foreign orders might come now... with a real choice of MiG-29M2 and MiG-35.